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Arivia posted:I forget where it was but I saw an article peeling back the layers in Windows 11 - here’s an element from 10, this still uses an 8-style picker, that kind of stuff. The article ended with an unholy old ODBC selector still using a Windows 3.1 file picker. last page SwissArmyDruid posted:State of the Windows: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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I have a lovely old Buffalo NAS thats the source of my content for Plex. I initially mapped the various folders (tv, movies, music etc) but then they stopped working and Windows tells me I cant have multiple mappings of the same drive. Never been a problem before. Anyone else experience anything similar?
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Jan 16, 2023 14:22
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Nobody other than people writing articles cares about whether the ODBC Data Sources configuration tool has an updated interface or not.
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biznatchio posted:Nobody other than people writing articles cares about whether the ODBC Data Sources configuration tool has an updated interface or not. The only way to improve on it would be making the window resizable.
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biznatchio posted:Nobody other than people writing articles cares about whether the ODBC Data Sources configuration tool has an updated interface or not.  site posted:that definitely does not happen on my Lenovo
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Peachfart posted:I'm sure this is the most annoying question ever in this thread, but is Windows 11 worth the upgrade from 10 yet? This is my daily driver computer, so I was holding off until 11 was fully stable. The initial release of Windows 11 had so many UX regressions that were easily re-implemented that it never should have been shipped in that condition. The 11 22H2 edition has basically restored most basic functionality missing from 10, and the UI is generally more pleasant with its more fluid animations and its more mellow alert sounds. Essentially, there's little reason to stick with Windows 10 now if your system officially supports 11 (though some requirements can be skipped using Rufus).
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Jan 16, 2023 22:49
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What’s up with the spinning thinking dots animation. It looks like it was supposed to be a continuous animation loop but they go around and disappear to nowhere, and then reappear from nowhere for the next cycle. Who thinks this is okay, who allowed this to happen.
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Bad Munki posted:What’s up with the spinning thinking dots animation. It looks like it was supposed to be a continuous animation loop but they go around and disappear to nowhere, and then reappear from nowhere for the next cycle. Who thinks this is okay, who allowed this to happen. they're fixed with Explorer Patcher, at least vvvvvv mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jan 16, 2023 |
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Jan 16, 2023 22:56
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WattsvilleBlues posted:The initial release of Windows 11 had so many UX regressions that were easily re-implemented that it never should have been shipped in that condition. The 11 22H2 edition has basically restored most basic functionality missing from 10, and the UI is generally more pleasant with its more fluid animations and its more mellow alert sounds. AFAIK you still can't use text or ungroup icons in the taskbar, or use small icons to effectively resize the taskbar, so some regressions have not been fixed.
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Jan 16, 2023 22:58
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WattsvilleBlues posted:The initial release of Windows 11 had so many UX regressions that were easily re-implemented that it never should have been shipped in that condition. The 11 22H2 edition has basically restored most basic functionality missing from 10, and the UI is generally more pleasant with its more fluid animations and its more mellow alert sounds. oh you can ungroup items on the taskbar, and have them show the name of the window? If not, gently caress it
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Jan 17, 2023 20:12
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I installed Win11 on my laptop and it's like being in cropped widescreen all the time. A vertical taskbar makes so much more sense in a wide aspect ratio. Such a waste of space.
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Rinkles posted:I installed Win11 on my laptop and it's like being in cropped widescreen all the time. Explorer patcher will let you move it to the side if you want. I had to use it to move it to the top in order to cover up the stupid camera hole 
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Jan 18, 2023 13:37
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It's bonkers how features from Windows 95 like positioning the taskbar are gone. Just garbage.
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Jan 18, 2023 15:55
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microsoft is utilizing Telemetry to make sure that features used by a smaller subset of people go away. this is called "data-driven development" and it means you can go gently caress yourself if you want that feature
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c0burn posted:It's bonkers how features from Windows 95 like positioning the taskbar are gone. Just garbage. I have a Windows 98 machine right next to me and you'd be shocked at how much quicker it does basic UI things like "open the start menu" lol
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Tiny Timbs posted:I have a Windows 98 machine right next to me and you'd be shocked at how much quicker it does basic UI things like "open the start menu" lol I won't because I do too. You'll pry 3dfx cards and directx 7 from my cold dead hands.
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So I'm trying to clean install Win11 pro on a new laptop(from the factory the laptop had Win11 Home). I downloaded the multi version ISO from MS directly and created a bootable USB with Rufus. However, during the install there's no menu picker to choose Pro or Home. When the install completes the version installed is Home. I don't mind paying for Pro but how do you clean install Pro? I swear I did this in Jan-2022 the same way and I got Pro.
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Jan 19, 2023 02:26
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Why'd you use the ISO and Rufus instead of the media creation tool? I've never had this sort of issue
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codo27 posted:Why'd you use the ISO and Rufus instead of the media creation tool? I've never had this sort of issue Just habit. Doesn't it do the same thing? Oh huh I guess I can just flip a switch in settings. Went to activation settings and put in an old Win10 pro key I wasn’t using and it switched to pro. Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Last Chance posted:microsoft is utilizing Telemetry to make sure that features used by a smaller subset of people go away. this is called "data-driven development" and it means you can go gently caress yourself if you want that feature Ability to have taskbar at the sides was not taken away in 11. It was newer there. The windiws 11 taskbar/start are leftowers of the cancelled windows for dual screen mobile devices meant to run a single app per screen.
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Jan 19, 2023 07:09
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Tiny Timbs posted:I have a Windows 98 machine right next to me and you'd be shocked at how much quicker it does basic UI things like "open the start menu" lol It's painful how much quicker prior releases are, there's no reason for bloat in such simple areas. My old 3770K with Windows 7 opened task manager way quicker than my 5950X with Windows 10. I remember last time I was on a 2003 server, I was so taken aback by how fast browsing folders in explorer was, I took a video with my phone, not to mention resizing and dragging Windows. In my experience with those simple things, anything newer is still to this day, worse, no matter what hardware. It's kind of breathtaking, honestly, it feels like how computers are supposed to feel. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Jan 19, 2023 20:04
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HalloKitty posted:It's painful how much quicker prior releases are, there's no reason for bloat in such simple areas. My old 3770K with Windows 7 opened task manager way quicker than my 5950X with Windows 10. What's the reason for this? The worst of it seems to have started with the Windows 8-era new interface stuff, presumably it was written using newer code?
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WattsvilleBlues posted:What's the reason for this? The worst of it seems to have started with the Windows 8-era new interface stuff, presumably it was written using newer code? As best as I can tell a lot of GUI sluggishness was introduced with Vista - GDI was no longer hardware accelerated. Windows 7 introduced some GDI hardware acceleration again, but it wasn't significant. When it comes to all the sluggishness since, I imagine it's largely due to new features written on top of others, but that's just a guess. Edit: and just to confirm, I did a test by installing Windows 2003 in a VMware player VM, waited for it to install everything (VMware tools for drivers etc) and compared things like resizing columns in services.msc and browsing folders in explorer compared to the actual OS on my machine (win10 21h2). Yup, the snappiness difference is significant, I took a video but I doubt it's that interesting HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Jan 19, 2023 20:32
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Id imagine with telemetry every click and drag is being recorded and sent back to MS for *REASONS*
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HalloKitty posted:I imagine it's largely due to new features written on top of others, but that's just a guess. This and also all the numerous security/permissions checks. Everything running isolated from everything else.
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The compositing window manager takes a lot more work to run; a classic GDI interface (or QuickDraw on old MacOS) is so much faster in comparison but it's also more limited. No good scaling, no true font independence (remember how badly font scaling used to work?), etc. The modern Explorer is also doing a lot more thumbnailing and information surfacing than the old one. Apple's spent a huge amount of effort getting their compositing window manager to be 'snappy' (especially for iOS), and Microsoft doesn't seem to have done the work so much. (For fun's sake I downloaded and ran the old File Manager and holy crap it's fast. But also it's not doing very much, either).
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Clicking Start and doing a search or something and having to wait five seconds on my Fast Modern Computer is extremely frustrating.
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I don't have a system with an older OS to compare with, but Windows 11 feels pretty snappy to me. Opening the start menu, browsing folders and loading/navigating right click menus in explorer are instantaneous actions. Resizing windows is also very responsive and snappy. Opening the task manager isn't instantaneous, but it still takes less than a second. I'm struggling to think of how it could be much better.  edit: The search can still be frustratingly slow at times, but using any kind of search function was so much worse on older windows versions.
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I get kind of OCD'd about UI responsiveness. If I turn off all windows protection bs, my system is basically instant response time. So I think its not the GUI or overhead, its the backend windows BS thats slowing it all down
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If it's the animations that are bothering you, you can turn them off.
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Every time I start up my PC (Windows 11) I get these three windows: Startup Apps doesn't list anything obvious, just a couple things: Realtek HD Audio Universal Service Steam Windows Security Notification icon iCUE iCloud Drive iCloud Keychain iCloud Status Window Is there any way to find out what's specifically causing those to pop up short of disabling those few startup apps one at a time and rebooting? Although now that I've written it all down, I do note that there are three offending cmd windows and three iCloud startup items... e: I don't actually think it's those, the windows only appear intermittently. But I do see that with the latest bios update of my gigabyte motherboard, they're now jamming into my post-startup sequence to try to get me to install their APP Center dogshit, and that little "helper" isn't controlled via Startup Apps:  And if you check that "don't show again" box, hitting cancel means your preference doesn't get recorded. Willing to bet this new "feature" is the actual cause. And turning off this nagware is apparently a setting in the bios, holy hell. Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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AlternateAccount posted:Clicking Start and doing a search or something and having to wait five seconds on my Fast Modern Computer is extremely frustrating. Uninstall Cortana. (Microsoft made it uninstallable in 2020) Get-AppxPackage -allusers Microsoft.549981C3F5F10 | Remove-AppxPackage That is the only big tweak I do for my Win10/11 installs. EDIT: https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2023/01/17/no-start-menu-for-you/ essentially the modern app crap that is used in internet search likes to crash and is made so the crashes take extremely long time to actually happen. CatHorse fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jan 20, 2023 |
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Honestly Win 11 has been incredibly responsive for me ever since I did a clean reinstall (which solved my occasional blue screen problems too) and went through the trouble of updating all the important drivers (chipset, GPU, BIOS, etc). I suspect that how modern drivers function is more flexible and modular than ever but also (therefore) more fragile. You should do yourself all the favors you can and let the latest low-level bug fixes and performance improvements make their way onto your machine.
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MikusR posted:Uninstall Cortana. (Microsoft made it uninstallable in 2020) Uninstall Cortana -> install Tay. 
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Not on my system, uninstall is blanked out.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Not on my system, uninstall is blanked out. With powershell, the command i posted. What changed is that you can simply install it back from store.
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Bad Munki posted:Every time I start up my PC (Windows 11) I get these three windows: Check task scheduler, there is probably a few scheduled tasks in there that run at startup or immediately if missed.
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Will do, thanks
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Bad Munki posted:Will do, thanks If the windows stay up until you close them, open task manager, switch to the details tab, right click on the headers, choose 'select columns', enable 'command line', expand that column so you can see what the prompts where doing. This should reveal the path to whatever they ran, so you can investigate further. You can also grab the sysinternals tool 'autoruns' which can reveal more about what is really happening at startup/login.
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Windows keeps putting an Edge icon on my desktop despite me continuing to delete it, how do I make it stop?
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