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Sucks idubbbz almost killed keemstar. wish someone would've come in with a swift blow to end that man from being online ever agian
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Jan 18, 2023 06:39
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Famethrowa posted:if you host a debate stream you should have your internet access removed. Nah that's shits funny as gently caress. Hearing adults bickering about political poo poo they know nothing about, using poorly understood pseudo-philisophy and big words is some top tier comedy. Just makes me feel all ameliorated
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Jan 18, 2023 07:32
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So James Somerton released this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE4I6WhPryc And while I agree with the overarching thesis of "gently caress having to be one of the 'good gays' to appease the heteronormative hegemony"... I don't think his characterisation of gay activists in the 90's was accurate? https://mobile.twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1615450830139953152 EDIT: oh ummm this doesn't sound good https://mobile.twitter.com/PiperTaiba/status/1614514151455588352 Pachylad fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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Jan 18, 2023 08:42
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nine-gear crow posted:At least Keffals came loaded for bear to take Keem to task for a whole array of poo poo he's said and done over the years, like how he gaslighted Etika into committing suicide. Wh- I mean, I remember seeing some of Etika's videos (not liking them that much, admittedly, but besides from the comments they were ok) then hearing he committed suicide, nowt about what you allude to. Dare I ask?
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Jan 18, 2023 09:55
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yeah, uh, I thought that there was someone manipulating him from some other country for money and poo poo like that, was that not what happened? what did keemstar do
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Jan 18, 2023 10:07
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keemstar didnt directly cause it but he constantly taunted him and egged him on for views. like etika would have a full blown meltdown about how he was the antichrist and was going to end the world and keemstar would record it and upload it to his youtube channel and then egg him on for more content like that. etika felt like he was friends with him so he never turned down interview requests so instead of giving a guy that was going through it time to rest he constantly tried to mine views from him. and he made jokes about etika killing himself several times. he also said several times he didnt think etika was mentally ill or suffering from anything so he encouraged his fans to gently caress with him. dudes isnt the number one cause but hes a piece of poo poo Endorph fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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Jan 18, 2023 10:25
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Pachylad posted:And while I agree with the overarching thesis of "gently caress having to be one of the 'good gays' to appease the heteronormative hegemony"... I don't think his characterisation of gay activists in the 90's was accurate?
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Jan 18, 2023 10:27
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Endorph posted:keemstar didnt directly cause it but he constantly taunted him and egged him on for views. like etika would have a full blown meltdown about how he was the antichrist and was going to end the world and keemstar would record it and upload it to his youtube channel and then egg him on for more content like that.
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Jan 18, 2023 12:56
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Yeah the 90s had people fighting against the gay panic defense -- Matthew Shepard's murder was in 1998 for god's sake. Lawrence v Texas wasn't heard at the supreme Court until 2003. The defense of marriage act was signed into federal law in 1996. People were still suffering from the AIDS crisis, medications to treat and prevent it were either wildly expensive or just plain unavailable. Maybe things seemed more idyllic if you're only analyzing history through pop culture, but it's weirdly reductive to say LGBT+ people were only campaigning for the white picket fence at the time. Also this being a driving force behind a lot of the marriage activists. https://mobile.twitter.com/shallowsocial/status/1615452125839908879 Mercury Hat fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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Jan 18, 2023 12:58
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wait i remember this idiot. he's a plagiarist lol https://twitter.com/flamwencogirl/status/1302647651708542976?lang=en
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Jan 18, 2023 13:02
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fun hater posted:wait i remember this idiot. he's a plagiarist lol what a stupid piece of poo poo lmao
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Jan 18, 2023 13:11
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Oh my god lol
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Jan 18, 2023 13:18
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Pachylad posted:So James Somerton released this video: so like. sexual orientation was considered a protected class in a lot of places in the US by the end of the 90's and there's no way I'm watching that video to see if he addresses it, but, like, the list of states adding protections to queer folk doesn't have a gaping hole in the 90's, there was clearly a lot of work work being done in that arena. (also shout out to Minnesota for being the first state to enshrine gender identity protection into law. I'll stop being annoyed about americans trying to do a canadian accent and just doing a Minnesotan one instead) Minnesota's a real one.
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Jan 18, 2023 13:46
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Like it's still stuck in my craw that you really have to divorce from all historical context the fight for marriage recognition to reduce it to just rich gays wanting to assimilate. Without that protection, someone can have their children legally taken by a vindictive ex, there's no assumption of inheritance in the event of one's passing, there's no protection of visitation rights or power of attorney in medical decisions, etc. There's countless horror stories of a queer person's estranged and unsupportive relatives having final say over their care and affairs because their partners weren't legally recognized the same as heterosexual partners have been. Yeah get mad at the Log Cabin Republicans I guess, but that's not the be all end all of the movement.
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Jan 18, 2023 13:58
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Hey it's this guy! You know, the guy who pisses off Larry Kramer so much! I'm glad Those Guys are out there, makin' videos!
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Jan 18, 2023 15:50
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https://youtu.be/gN6fXWMo7Yc This is the culmination of my friend Gherkin's incredible one-soul journey through Ready Player One... thirteen months late.
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Jan 18, 2023 15:59
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I keep seeing more and more of this bad take that same-sex marraige is "assimlationist" and it sucks since a lot of the court cases that got folded into "Obergefell vs. Hobes" was about family court issues like "both parents should be legally parents." I'm not entirely sure about the video on whole, as they seem to be anlying queer themes in media and of course the queer themes in 90's were basic bitch stuff! Before the 90's, a lot of queer roles were portrayed as monsterous. Being portrayed as "just trying to get by" was a massive step up. Example, in 1993 the first queer role played by open queer actor was aired on tv. His storyline inclued getting kicked our of his parents home after coming out because he was kicked out of his home when he came out. The storyline on the show opened up dialog between the actor and his dad, and they have a good relationship now. Another famous role in 1993 was Bufflo Bill in "Silence of the Lambs."
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Jan 18, 2023 16:11
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fun hater posted:wait i remember this idiot. he's a plagiarist lol Well the thread this links to is certainly something! 
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Jan 18, 2023 19:25
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the reality is, most people just wanna live their lives lol. like more out there gay people are cool and they shouldnt be looked down on but the average gay person thinks marrying a person they like and working a decent job is about the peak of their gay fantasy. thats just reality. you can write all the thinkpieces you want and whether or not gay people will truly ever be completely accepted as 'normal' worldwide is up for debate but thats just the basic reality of the matter. people want to spend time with someone they love, live comfortably, and not die alone. thats about it. the sex being good is a bonus but for most people that doesnt mean anything more than being compatible with the person youre with. Very Online People read about queer subcultures they were too young to be a part of and mistake that for what literally everything was and what everyone else wants, while also making no effort to explore modern day subcultures around them, so they get frustrated at being 'denied' it or smth when the reality is it was never the majority
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Jan 18, 2023 19:30
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like theres a difference between 'dont put down people who are more out there with what theyre into/how they present themselves even if you find it offputting' and 'actually these are the good gays and you're the bad gays.' youre literally just doing the same thing but in reverse
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Jan 18, 2023 19:31
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i can also promise that the freaky deaky gays are still out there. they are not, however, generally posting on Twitter dot Com which is the extent of most of these people's social experience like mf if you live in a city with one you can go out to a leather bar right now if you want.
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Jan 18, 2023 19:33
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Feels Villeneuve posted:i can also promise that the freaky deaky gays are still out there. they are not, however, generally posting on Twitter dot Com which is the extent of most of these people's social experience
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Jan 18, 2023 19:34
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apropos of nothing one of my favorite bad twitter topics is "why are so many gay spaces about sex" when it's like, you guys know that gay sex was literally illegal for a long time right. you could go to jail for it. i wonder why spaces existed so you could seek that out discreetly
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Jan 18, 2023 19:36
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all these adults need to watch media that's not created for actual children
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Jan 18, 2023 19:38
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Feels Villeneuve posted:apropos of nothing one of my favorite bad twitter topics is "why are so many gay spaces about sex" when it's like, you guys know that gay sex was literally illegal for a long time right. you could go to jail for it. i wonder why spaces existed so you could seek that out discreetly
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Jan 18, 2023 19:39
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Endorph posted:the freaky gays do not care about hazbin hotel either i think that's the funniest thing about this poo poo to me is that all of this dipshit navel gazing about the death of queer culture is from a video about how Hazbin Hotel is the epitome of modern gay art
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Jan 18, 2023 19:41
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the leather bar clientele loves talking about hazbin hotel, pro/antishipping and whether its sexual harassment to wear a dog collar at a pride parade
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Jan 18, 2023 19:43
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if you really wanna be all about queer pop culture can you at least read a book or something. or like, ill take manga. theres good manga. anything but adult swim cartoons.Feels Villeneuve posted:the leather bar clientele loves talking about hazbin hotel, pro/antishipping and whether its sexual harassment to wear a dog collar at a pride parade
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Jan 18, 2023 19:44
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Pachylad posted:So James Somerton released this video: I watched this because I was wondering if he really implied the only important issues gay rights movements cared about in the 90s were marriage and military service, or if there was further context to this. It's 45 minutes of him rambling on various topics, first the decline of writing in Pixar films as they morphed into products in line with Disney's corporate identity. Then he talks about how Helluva Boss is #important because the characters are queer and messy, and whatever, I'm sure people's feelings on it and Vivienne Medrano are the same in either direction as with Hazbin Hotel. Then he talks about how Brandon Rogers is a controversial gay YouTube sketch comedian, and why his brand of equal opportunity comedy works and South Park doesn't. Then he has an extended rant about how Bros sucks and its failures aren't due to homophobia like Billy Eichner claims. There's obviously a thread he's going with as far as queer communities connecting to authentic experiences in media, but it's a breakdown that takes too long to get to its point and it gets pretty dull. Then yes, he tops it off with his 20-minute thesis rant about how all the really creative queer people died off in the AIDS epidemic because they were the cool people who got laid a lot. That's why all the unadventerous gays took over in the 90s and pushed for gay marriage and military service and "General employment nondiscrimination... making sexuality and gender identity a protected class... wasn't that important to them." These are his impressions as a 30-something guy from Canada growing up in the 90s, and yeah I'd buy that's his secondhand recollections of international news items and he didn't research poo poo himself. Like maybe his takeaway from getting in hot water 3 years ago for direct quoting whole book passages without credit was to just avoid doing research altogether? I don't know why else he'd say crap like that. I have to say though, claiming all the top tier talented gay artists dying in the 80s is what led to Cats and Ghostbusters is a remarkably vicious burn on Andrew Lloyd Webber. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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Jan 18, 2023 19:45
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Nuns with Guns posted:I have to say though, claiming all the top tier talented gay artists dying in the 80s is what led to Cats and Ghostbusters is a remarkably vicious burn on Andrew Lloyd Weber. lol
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Jan 18, 2023 19:45
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andrew lloyd webber wanted to be seen as the second coming of Puccini so bad
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Jan 18, 2023 19:51
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the thing i dont get is like. does helluva boss need defending? its won awards. the eps have like 30-50 million views each. its not mainstream or anything but its an extremely popular thing. literally the only place you're gonna see any pushback from it is twitter teens that literally dont matter, and twitter is designed to feed you people getting mad about the thing you like. if modern queer culture is all about assimilating, why is the thing you say is about not assimilating so popular
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Jan 18, 2023 19:52
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who you gonna call...
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Jan 18, 2023 19:52
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the other thing that really strikes you if you like, actually interact with people with experience in queer communities is how many people simply do not fit the hyper-taxonomic idea of queer identities that the internet pushes. never mind that other cultures outside the west may have completely different ideas about gender non-conformation, you can meet people who just do their own thing in the west as well.
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Jan 18, 2023 19:54
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Endorph posted:the thing i dont get is like. does helluva boss need defending? its won awards. the eps have like 30-50 million views each. its not mainstream or anything but its an extremely popular thing. literally the only place you're gonna see any pushback from it is twitter teens that literally dont matter, and twitter is designed to feed you people getting mad about the thing you like. He makes a point of how popular it is and how we don't have to accept tripe like Bros from mainstream media outlets, but it's like "Yeah... that's why one's a successful online video series and one's a movie that bombed hard." He's making arguments about how we don't have to work so hard to be acceptable to "the straights" to a segment of ladder-pulling-up gays that do exist, statistically, but who definitely will never watch or be swayed by his video.
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Jan 18, 2023 19:56
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Feels Villeneuve posted:apropos of nothing one of my favorite bad twitter topics is "why are so many gay spaces about sex" when it's like, you guys know that gay sex was literally illegal for a long time right. you could go to jail for it. i wonder why spaces existed so you could seek that out discreetly Don't get me wrong, sex is great - but it's also just sex. Have it, or don't - it's not like it's a life-changing experience if you're open with yourself and your partner(s) about what you like and don't like. If you put it on a pedestal and make a big deal out of it, instead of just treating it like a part of life for the majority of humanity, you just end up making it more out of it than is warranted. Also, for what it's worth, i'm not convinced the straights aren't just as interested in sex as us queers are, they just don't talk openly about it. If they weren't, sex work and porn wouldn't be the big industries they are, and I'm not sure the human species would've rounded 8 billion people.
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Jan 18, 2023 19:57
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Nuns with Guns posted:He makes a point of how popular it is and how we don't have to accept tripe like Bros from mainstream media outlets, but it's like "Yeah... that's why one's a successful online video series and one's a movie that bombed hard." He's making arguments about how we don't have to work so hard to be acceptable to "the straights" to a segment of ladder-pulling-up gays that do exist, statistically, but who definitely will never watch or be swayed by his video. and again i dont know why this guy is so obsessed with the extremely narrow band of 'mainstream popular american media' when so much art that isnt that exists and seems like what hed want. i cant imagine a life where i define my sexuality based on what adult animation is popular
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Jan 18, 2023 19:59
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anyway im virtually positive that an adult swim cartoon is more the second coming of Invader Zim than it is Robert Mapplethorpe
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Jan 18, 2023 19:59
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Also, for what it's worth, i'm not convinced the straights aren't just as interested in sex as us queers are, they just don't talk openly about it.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Most feet guys are straight and there is no one who talks more about their sexuality than feet guys.
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