|
Even in Ellie’s town in TLOU2 it’s not really peaceful. Every day there are patrols to clean up the infested that wonder too close to town.
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 14:31
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 9, 2024 09:22 |
|
|
Yeah in the early goings in 2 they talk about the potential for a massive herd of clickers migrating or a load of them thawing at once being a huge thing to worry about if I recall.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 14:40
|
|
|
Yeah the Fireflies basically took the worst way possible when Joel wakes up after he finds them and saves her from drowning.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 14:42
|
|
|
It’s really impressive how the fireflies don’t either, one, drug, or two, murder Joel when they have him dead to rights in a room by himself with no weapons. (Sure Marlene mentions that they considered it but that makes it arguably worse; like their level of self-righteous zealotry somehow neutralizes even their common sense or sense of self-preservation.) Or at the very least, three lie to him and say that it’s a process that’ll take hours and keep him locked up somewhere. Like there’s so many ways an even moderately competent, heavily armed paramilitary organization could’ve utterly neutralized Joel from the final sequence of TLOU Part One, but that’s kind of the entire overarching point; this is a resistance group that’s accomplished more or less absolutely nothing in constant fighting over twenty years who has to rely on two random smugglers to bring the savior of humanity from one coast to another. Like…just the sheer level of ineptitude that the Fireflies demonstrate from the very outset is one that calls into question how as a group of people they’re able to tie their loving shoes without falling down, and it’s what makes the ending believable in retrospect. Just an absolute clown shoes organization of fuckups, the Fireflies.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 14:51
|
|
|
I get why they didn’t just kill Joel, since Marlene keeps needing to justify why she made the choice, and needs people to agree, no matter how reluctantly. On some level I also think they didn’t realize how close Joel and Ellie became where he would go on a murder rampage for her, but that’s no excuse to throw him out with nothing.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 15:00
|
|
|
Plus Part 2 the whole WLF organization rising up came about as a result of the fireflies collapsing. I doubt Joel's actions alone would have been enough to cripple their organization, they were struggling with systemic problems already that led them to be swallowed up by a larger group. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Jan 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 15:00
|
|
|
Quote ain't edit
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 15:01
|
|
|
NieR Occomata posted:It’s really impressive how the fireflies don’t either, one, drug, or two, murder Joel when they have him dead to rights in a room by himself with no weapons. Producer guy: Why didn’t they kill Joel when they had him dead to rights? Writer guy: So the next game can happen, giving us more money. Producer guy: Money! FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jan 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 15:19
|
|
|
what is clicker
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 15:28
|
|
|
Boris Galerkin posted:what is clicker not much what’s clicker w you
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 15:29
|
|
|
Arc Hammer posted:Plus Part 2 the whole WLF organization rising up came about as a result of the fireflies collapsing. Not really, it seemed more like a local militia that had already crushed Fedra’s PNW presence, and the Salt Lake survivors just ended up heading out that way and joined the WLF out a need for stability and purpose. It was clear they were still considered something of a clique regardless of how well they adjusted to life there.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 15:35
|
|
|
FlapYoJacks posted:Producer guy: Why didn’t they kill Joel when they had him dead to rights? I do think the game actually earns that reveal by impressing literally from the outset that the Fireflies are a group of fuckups, they’ve done and accomplished nothing besides really unimpressive small-scale terrorist acts and literal graffiti, and they’re so caught up in their own ideology and dogma they don’t even have an effective network with which to transport a package as ostensibly important as Ellie and are then forced to rely on outside contractors to be effective. Like the sheer level of how, organizationally speaking, inept the Fireflies are is sort of glossed over because your actual pov character for that organization is Marlene, one of the few genuinely competent people in the game, but the more you think about what the Fireflies have (failed to) done, the more it’s like “Yeah, of course these fuckin’ morons couldn’t even stop one supremely angry dad from assaulting their stronghold.” Even Marlene, when you think about it, is ironically too soft-hearted and unwilling to make tough choices in her capacity as leader and it’s what leads directly to the destruction of the Seattle branch. I think a change for the better that the show has already done is foreshadow that institutional ineptitude by showing how Robert and his fuckin’ bozos wiped out an entire fuckin’ squadron of Fireflies by themselves. Like the show is already underlining from the outset that the Fireflies are not an ept group of people, and neither should they be trusted to do anything, let alone something as complicated as brain surgery.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 15:53
|
|
|
A firefly got himself infected from a loving monkey they are a bunch of clowns
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 16:05
|
|
|
The best part is that because each strain of Cordyceps is species-specific, it’s quite possible to even likely that the bite did loving nothing at all to that dude, who still killed himself instead of being turned.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 16:33
|
|
|
NieR Occomata posted:The best part is that because each strain of Cordyceps is species-specific, it’s quite possible to even likely that the bite did loving nothing at all to that dude, who still killed himself instead of being turned.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 16:36
|
|
|
Yea it’s not like FEDRA is invincible they’re hanging on by a thread in whatever areas they still control. The show has a few scenes implying it as well with the cop saying they’re all pulling double shifts and exhausted. In the second game the Seattle QZ FEDRA got massacred by the WLF during their uprising which lasted all of a few weeks. Meanwhile the Firefly’s have spent 20 years fighting FEDRA in Boston and have accomplished Jack poo poo. They suck.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 17:28
|
|
|
The Fireflies could have been a stronger group a decade+ ago, but by year 20 are running on fumes as it’s becoming more clear the old order of things just won’t come back
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 17:45
|
|
|
bobjr posted:The Fireflies could have been a stronger group a decade+ ago, but by year 20 are running on fumes as it’s becoming more clear the old order of things just won’t come back I was really surprised when FEDRA had a working helicopter in the show. I don't recall any aircraft in the game.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 18:01
|
|
|
Madurai posted:I was really surprised when FEDRA had a working helicopter in the show. I don't recall any aircraft in the game. What about the jet trails you could sometimes see?
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 18:06
|
|
|
FlapYoJacks posted:Producer guy: Why didn’t they kill Joel when they had him dead to rights? Why would they kill Joel? It only makes sense if you know the context of how close he’s become with Ellie. In their eyes he’s just gonna be like “job done!” And go home so killing him being any sort of necessity is only obvious to the player.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 18:19
|
|
|
That said, Marlene should have just lied to him once he started prodding for info.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 18:21
|
|
|
veni veni veni posted:Why would they kill Joel? It only makes sense if you know the context of how close he’s become with Ellie. In their eyes he’s just gonna be like “job done!” And go home so killing him being any sort of necessity is only obvious to the player. I mean, they threaten to? They crack him in the skull with a rifle and knock him out for no reason when they find him trying to revive Ellie not knowing who they are and then later on the dude escorting him out of the building is like, actively aching to shoot him and says something like "just give me an excuse", like at that point why not shoot him? It just seems slightly weird because they are excessively aggressive to him and antagonise the hell out of him.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 18:32
|
|
|
Did game Ellie know that they were going to kill her to try make a cure?
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 19:32
|
|
|
Avalerion posted:Did game Ellie know that they were going to kill her to try make a cure? No, her finding out in 2 and what Joel did without her input is what wrecks their relationship.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 19:36
|
|
|
This is the spoiler thread, I get your intention but I mean, come on. We should be able to talk about literally anything in the games without black bars in here.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 19:42
|
|
|
i appreciated how they stuck to the game music mostly. was expecting them to think they were above it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 19:51
|
|
|
roomtone posted:i appreciated how they stuck to the game music mostly. was expecting them to think they were above it. Joel studying the map to Factions menu music I've been listening to for a decade had me clapping and barking like a seal
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 19:53
|
|
|
roomtone posted:i appreciated how they stuck to the game music mostly. was expecting them to think they were above it. When they got found by the FEDRA soldier, they had the sound effect of you being noticed in the game.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 20:34
|
|
|
NieR Occomata posted:Yeah the point of the Fireflies isn’t that they’re good, it’s that they’re right. But even in being right they’re so self-righteous and disorganized it really doesn’t matter. With regards to the bolded part, and recognising that we are of course talking about the world from a human perspective, Joel's actions weren't what doomed the world, that already happened 20 years ago. The cities are in ruins and almost all the humans in the world are dead. All he's done is possibly influenced what the recovery looks like. Without a cure, we're looking at a population of humans that are severely reduced, fragmented, and spread out. As long as there are some humans left that carry on being careful eventually the cordyceps will run out of new hosts and die out. Then we're looking at a couple of centuries or more for the human race to recover and start flourishing again (although the fact that a lot of the Earth's natural resources have already been consumed by the previous civilisation might affect what that looks like too, but that's a completely different discussion.) If Joel had not saved Ellie, and if the Fireflies had got their vaccine, they aren't going to be able to use it to bring back the billions that died, or to rebuild the cities, or regain the lost knowledge that died with them. They're going to struggle to mass-produce and distribute it (edit: and that's not even taking into account as soon as the word gets out that they have it, they'll be the target of every single other group or faction that wants it for themselves). The infected that already exist aren't going to suddenly disappear either, they're still either going to have to be fought and killed or waited out until they run out of hosts and go extinct. So really, as selfish as Joel's actions were, all it did was make a long process that won't be complete in anyone's lifetime take an unspecified amount of time longer. Which don't get me wrong is still a bad result and selfish of him, but the world was already hosed and vaccine or no, humanity already had its apocalypse. Cactus fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jan 18, 2023 |
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 20:54
|
|
|
joel did nothing wrong
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 21:40
|
|
|
The only person that did nothing wrong was Buckley. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 21:44
|
|
|
Also if I remember from the LP I saw the Fireflies plan jumps to killing her right away and not like studying her blood or anything else first. Just a procedure that is likely to kill her.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 22:49
|
|
|
Not even “likely”. They were just gonna scoop her brain out and study it iirc
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 23:02
|
|
|
Rotten tomatoes is a goldmine of angry chuds at the minute. Spoilered if you don't want to laugh at people crying about wokeisms    There are also loads of very silly 10 reviews but they are much less enjoyable to laugh at.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 23:19
|
|
|
CHUDs will be CHUDs. I'm just amazed that even with the review bombing, it's still at 96% on rotten tomatoes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 23:53
|
|
|
Is this the goon who posted earlier in this thread?
|
|
#
?
Jan 18, 2023 23:57
|
|
|
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2023 01:54
|
|
|
The racist guys are to be expected in Tyool 2023, but the "Ellie not cute enough" people are uhhh. there's literally only one conclusion I can draw from an adult man being mad about that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2023 01:58
|
|
|
Eh, who cares about that lot. They're not worth talking about.
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2023 02:02
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 9, 2024 09:22 |
|
|
You absolutely can deny the views
|
|
#
?
Jan 19, 2023 02:16
|
|
