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davecrazy posted:https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1615741708007886850?s=20&t=3JplAEDk7J3AdMUAoPTEzw
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I figure that with players there's the pride thing too, so Lamar Jackson thinking that he's worth more than Kyler Murray, Russell Wilson, or Deshaun Watson is likely driving this negotiation. Doubly so since Lamar is doing the negotiation himself. I think Lamar is better than Murray, Wilson, and Watson, but they set the market. Owners are not colluding per se but now they're all gunshy considering how this year's been to those QB's. My theory is Lamar gets franchised tagged & Baltimore sees how the year goes. I also can see Lamar sitting out if this happens until he's traded too which adds another fun wrinkle.
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Android Apocalypse posted:Owners are not colluding per se but now they're all gunshy considering how this year's been to those QB's. Oh they absolutely are.
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Yeah fair enough they are, they're just not saying it out loud for plausible deniability.
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Android Apocalypse posted:My theory is Lamar gets franchised tagged & Baltimore sees how the year goes. I also can see Lamar sitting out if this happens until he's traded too which adds another fun wrinkle. No way he plays under a tag. He deserves a full contract and he knows it.
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Lamar is gonna get a fully guaranteed contract to play In arena football 
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sweet thursday posted:Raise the salary cap Duh. Players should get 75% of revenue at a minimum. While we're dreaming of a better world they should definitely raise the salary minimum to around 2 million. ozymandius1024 posted:Oh they absolutely are. Agreed. Honestly the Browns signing Watson is the first instance of non-owner collusion I can think of this century.
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What I'd like to see is a chunk of revenue taken and added to the Performance based pay system. That currently spreads about ~$9m per team over who actually plays each snap with weights that give mostly to guys making the minimum. Currently it means guys who play the most on rookie deals get like $500k+ added to their pay. So if ~$300m (9 x 32) can do that, take a larger chunk of league revenue, quadruple that and guys who actually play most every snap are taking home a minimum of base salary (~$800k) + $2m
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I also think rosters should be expanded. Obviously not college huge but there's gotta be a happy in between
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https://twitter.com/AdamStites_/status/1615746629558243329?t=MZ5AzPngzMKYqEicm3Mujw&s=19 This is neat-o as well
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Lamar should turn down anything short of 260 guaranteed. He's worth resetting the market How many injuries has Lamar racked up since the MVP season?
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If you hate Blake BORTLES!!!!, you hate fun.
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I think I'd rather have the 15th best QB and spread that money around the rest of the roster. Just too much tied up into one player who has a bad combination of playing style + recent injury history. You can survive a mediocre QB going down. You don't survive losing a top 5 player.
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Size of dot is dropbacks under pressure. How is Justin Fields's dot not taking up the entire chart?
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I think I'd rather have the 15th best QB and spread that money around the rest of the roster. Just too much tied up into one player who has a bad combination of playing style + recent injury history. You can survive a mediocre QB going down. You don't survive losing a top 5 player. This is another point in favor of raising the cap. What’s the point in having an electric QB when they take up so much cap space that you’re filling out the rest of the roster with scrubs? I’m sure the NFL wants to see their stars playing with teammates that show off the talents that scored them a quarter of a billion dollars.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I think I'd rather have the 15th best QB and spread that money around the rest of the roster. Just too much tied up into one player who has a bad combination of playing style + recent injury history. You can survive a mediocre QB going down. You don't survive losing a top 5 player. That requires having a competent front office though. Tannehill is a good candidate for a #15 QB, and our front office decided to prioritize overpaying mediocre free agents to having a functional O-Line, and felt it wasn't worth paying an elite WR what he was worth. Therefore I think the only fair thing to do is trade Tannehill for Jackson. Ravens get their 15th best QB that they can build the team around, and the Titans can further embrace their run-heavy offense.
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i reckon you should have a B- player at every position, at all times, and quite a few backup B- players in case of injury
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The entire league should be nothing but B- players. Ryan Tannehills as far as the eye can see.
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Any change to the salary cap would require changes to the CBA. It doesn't matter what they do, they would require concessions from the players, even if they were actively screwing them as the "benefit." They've had terrible bargaining and leadership for decades. It's not changing.
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Bortles was never given the opportunity to evolve into Bortortles.
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SKULL.GIF posted:How many injuries has Lamar racked up since the MVP season? Watson got 250 after not playing for 2 years. Who cares the market is set. Burrow and Herbie will be eyeing more
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Carnotaurus posted:Change the rules so that quarterbacks don't count against the salary cap. Get rid of the salary cap
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No Butt Stuff posted:Any change to the salary cap would require changes to the CBA. It doesn't matter what they do, they would require concessions from the players, even if they were actively screwing them as the "benefit." It really isn't the NFLPA leadership, it's the situation. The vast majority of players only get a few years in the league. For those guys it is incredibly hard to lose a single game check. Really kills your labor power when the vast majority of your union is totally unwilling to strike. On the other side the owners have such ridiculous reserves that killing a whole season doesn't materially impact them nearly as much as other industries.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Paul Hackett was the best OC we've had in like 20 years lol. That's a low loving bar.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I think I'd rather have the 15th best QB and spread that money around the rest of the roster. Just too much tied up into one player who has a bad combination of playing style + recent injury history. You can survive a mediocre QB going down. You don't survive losing a top 5 player. Idk, as a long time fan of a team that’s never had consistently good QB play, having top 5 players at other positions doesn’t matter if you only have a mediocre QB. The first Bucs Super Bowl required multiple HoFs on the defense, some luck, and our HC knowing the opposing team’s play calls. The second one just needed a great QB to go along with a normal good defense. Gimme a good young QB, even with some lingering lower body injuries. I think he can be a long term great QB in a system that matches his strengths and I’d take that every day of the week over a mediocre QB and more money for the rest of the roster.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It really isn't the NFLPA leadership, it's the situation. The vast majority of players only get a few years in the league. For those guys it is incredibly hard to lose a single game check. Really kills your labor power when the vast majority of your union is totally unwilling to strike. On the other side the owners have such ridiculous reserves that killing a whole season doesn't materially impact them nearly as much as other industries. Stronger leadership would be convincing guys to put chunks of their paychecks away to help people live for a year away from the game while the strike happened. The NFL doesn’t want a strike. Would it be difficult? Yes. But it would be a lot easier if their collective bargaining didn’t do things like trade weed for a 17th game.
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The last CBA passed the first vote with the entire leadership and every prominent player screaming what a bad deal it was. A majority of the PA didn't even look at it or talk to their various business people if they had one before going on favor. Leadership skills only to so far when your membership is that short sighted
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Lol Dungy is about to get yelled at. loving moron
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Lmao loving idiot. I’ll never understand the burning need to embarrass one’s self online, but then again I post here
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I think the players should strike until they get the power on their side. Unfortunately, for years, you'd had selfish jackasses who cared more about their own legacies than the NFLPA as a whole. So the most popular sport has the weakest union. It's really sad. So what if Tom Brady missed an entire year if it meant that some ST specialist got a bit more $$ and benefits in the long run.
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