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well I did find one explicitly inter-council project, it's the "Western Parkland City", which appears to basically all about the airport: https://www.wpca.sydney/about/the-western-parkland-city/
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This conversation is reminding me of the Auckland clusterfuck. They had a similar situation with Melbourne and the like with lots of little councils, but since NZ had no state governement and the National Government was busy with national things, Auckland was a big city without any authority focused on it to actually do central planning, and trying to figure out how to get it to work and controversy over reforms has been a half century long process. They had the Auckland Regional Authority which was an umbrella council formed in 1963 that encompassed 32 local councils for certain responsibilities, and that worked badly, and then in 1989 there were a bunch of reforms and they reduced the number of local councils in Auckland to to 7, and the ARA was replaced with the Auckland Regional Council as an umbrella over those 7, and that continued to be a clusterfuck with ongoing fights between the locals and the ARC (especially re: land use), and to try to bring transit and road design under control they spun off the Auckland Regional Transit Authority as well in 2003, and then in 2010 it all went gently caress it and the ARC and all the locals were dissolved and replaced with just a single Auckland Council, although with that they split up the city into 21 local boards that have local decisions and issues and facilities delegated to them, but unlike before they're properly under the Auckland Council so there's not fighting over power and jurisdiction.
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Jan 18, 2023 17:29
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maybe the little fiefdoms made sense in ye olden times but i suspect it was starting to not be great in the latter half of the 20th century, and it's completely obsolete in the 21st.Bucky Fullminster posted:
Are you just going to fish for compliments where people slap you on the back and tell you you're a genius? Either take the advice to cut it down/split the deck and make it a LOT less dense or idk just do what you like.
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Jan 18, 2023 20:53
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What the hell was that slideshow.
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I think it’s great Bucky
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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/libs-senate-push-for-abbott/news-story/fd76276b051dff4a54471945ea743994?amp its toney time quote:Former Victorian Liberal president and powerbroker Michael Kroger has called for the return of Tony Abbott to parliament through the new NSW senate vacancy.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:well I did find one explicitly inter-council project, it's the "Western Parkland City", which appears to basically all about the airport: Yeah the NSW Gov has divvied up Sydney into three cities; Western Parkland, Central River and Eastern Harbour - it's not really inter council so much as "we're dumping a fuckload of investment in this area and you can either come along kicking and screaming or sit on the outside and shake your first impotently." Basically it came about as a result of the airport, but essentially every project used to act as their own little fiefdom and land owners where getting approached by half a dozen projects/agencies who needed land and where failing to co-ordinate, each taking a little bite at a time and befuddling the locals who are not the massive dairy farming operation out that way. By grouping the planning and development together, the idea is you get better coordination across projects. Not sure if that is actually happening, but they're applying it across Sydney.
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Dream chip for me is guzman seasoning on mcdonalds chips E: wrong thread
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Why the gently caress does anyone listen to anything Michael Kroger has to say? Under his "watch" the Victorian branch of the Liberal Party has declined from the crown jewel of Menzies to the $109 Diamonte Necklace special at Michael Hill.
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:Dream chip for me is guzman seasoning on mcdonalds chips The hero we need. When kfc chips are good they are great, but they're only great like once a year if you're lucky. Capt.Whorebags posted:Why the gently caress does anyone listen to anything Michael Kroger has to say? This is why I hope the libs keep listening to him 
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Good news for me- out of hospital today. Do not gently caress around with Strep-a. You will find out. Every single person I interacted with was courteous, calm, professional and amazing. And it won’t cost me more than the $27 for the TV use. Thank you god of Medicare. May you get increased funding for GPs who helped saved my life. If they hadn’t been easily available I would not be posting about it.
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Comstar posted:Good news for me- out of hospital today. Do not gently caress around with Strep-a. You will find out. Glad to hear you're out of the hospital and doing better!
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Recoome posted:Are you just going to fish for compliments where people slap you on the back and tell you you're a genius? Either take the advice to cut it down/split the deck and make it a LOT less dense or idk just do what you like. Just looking for any discussion of the actual logistics of the points, what people would like or not, what would or wouldn't work, what I may have missed, etc. I appreciate the notes on the presentation and will try to take some words out, especially if I get a chance to present it in person. Anyway good news Comstar, and cheers hambeet.
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On Tony Abbott; I think he’d be an excellent senator for the purposes of helping to ensure the liberals can never win government again. On chip chat; Nandos peri peri chips are the best chain store chips by a long shot, I will die on this hill.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Just looking for any discussion of the actual logistics of the points, what people would like or not, what would or wouldn't work, what I may have missed, etc. I appreciate the notes on the presentation and will try to take some words out, especially if I get a chance to present it in person. Do you actually ride? Because it doesn't seem like it. A lot of those link areas are disaster zones for a cyclist and it doesn't address that many routes north esp are not going to work for riders who aren't mad. You need to start with the kind of side of freeway routes like the M7 has esp for the M4. There is no good route to Emu Plains or anything west of Westmead. The actual recommended route now the M4 breakdown is closed at Mt Druitt is the Great Western Highway which is just asking to be run over. Don't talk to Bicycle NSW frankly they are loving crap for representing actual cyclists. They have consistently recommended reroutes that have been more dangerous esp for a casual cyclist.... like GWH as above.
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freebooter posted:
If stamp duty is abolished and replaced with land tax it absolutely should be grandfathered in, given the number of people who bought in recent years and had to pay huge stamp duties. Of course if it is grandfathered in I don't know how viable it could be. Eventually government revenue would recover, but it would take quite a few years until the point where enough people had sold properties.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Do you actually ride? Because it doesn't seem like it. A lot of those link areas are disaster zones for a cyclist and it doesn't address that many routes north esp are not going to work for riders who aren't mad. You need to start with the kind of side of freeway routes like the M7 has esp for the M4. There is no good route to Emu Plains or anything west of Westmead. The actual recommended route now the M4 breakdown is closed at Mt Druitt is the Great Western Highway which is just asking to be run over. I do ride, and the disaster zones are exactly the problem it's trying to address. There is no good route from Westmead to Emu Plains, and we should absolutely begin by following along the M4 like the M7. That's why it recommends starting with "trainlines, motorways, and waterways", cos then you're 85% of the way done, and you fill in the necessary connections from there. Waterways especially. Like Cooks River and Prospect Creek. Beautiful paths, the intersections just need a bit more paint and signage. But on a smaller and more specific scale, the key points are:
Which is why it's called "a bit of green paint and handful of overpasses", cos that little bit of spending on just those two things would make a massive difference. Then go a bit further, with the motorways/trainlines/waterways, jazz up the existing paths where they intersect roads, and provide a Ferry Service to go from Kissing Point / Olympic Park to Barangaroo / Man O'War steps, and past The Spit and up to Roseville), and you can totally transform the city.
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Bucky I would suggest that it’s probably not a productive use of your time to butter up a minister shortly before an election in which the likely outcome is a change in government.
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Well that's my other question, how the gently caress does anything get done in those circumstances? Or is that just part of the reason why so many things suck? If it was going Labour -> Liberal I'd probably be more concerned, but hopefully a new labour gov would see the sense. Another advantage to it being not very capital intensive or requiring much disruption / planning etc. JUST A BIT OF loving GREEN PAINT AND LIKE A HANDFUL OF OVERPASSES. Also could be the kind of thing a minister going into an election might be interested in.
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Comstar posted:Good news for me- out of hospital today. Do not gently caress around with Strep-a. You will find out. Jesus, glad to hear you're better! Fun fact for y'all - when Strep A gets really bad, it can develop into scarlet fever, which is the illness that is implied to kill Beth in Little Women. No, it's not an old-timey illness that got vaccinated into oblivion, it's still around, we just don't see it as often coz we have antibiotics.
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Recoome posted:maybe the little fiefdoms made sense in ye olden times but i suspect it was starting to not be great in the latter half of the 20th century, and it's completely obsolete in the 21st. I think the 'local boards' approach Auckland eventually settled on, "a metro-wide government that delegates local duties to local boards but keeps them on a comparatively tight leash and has choice of what it wants to delegate and ultimate authority in the end" is a model that makes sense. But I don't actually know how it's worked out there in the last decade since they introduced it.
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froglet posted:...we just don't see it as often coz we have antibiotics. But for how long??? (Antibiotic resistant strains of stuff becoming more common is a real bloody worry)
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Do you actually ride? Because it doesn't seem like it. A lot of those link areas are disaster zones for a cyclist and it doesn't address that many routes north esp are not going to work for riders who aren't mad. You need to start with the kind of side of freeway routes like the M7 has esp for the M4. There is no good route to Emu Plains or anything west of Westmead. The actual recommended route now the M4 breakdown is closed at Mt Druitt is the Great Western Highway which is just asking to be run over. there’s a train service which runs fairly regularly
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Well that's my other question, how the gently caress does anything get done in those circumstances? Or is that just part of the reason why so many things suck? there would need to be a significant investment in actually doing the surveying/risk assessments/construction/ongoing maintenance, especially when you are talking about constructing overpasses which are very substantial. Are you a civil engineer or someone who has worked with lobbying? How about writing responses for RFT/RFQs? It's literally why you are being told to cut the detail and make it easier to digest because the aim of the slide deck isn't to give people the detail, it's to starting gathering the political will to do something. Your approach is literally rear end backwards right now.
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birdstrike posted:there’s a train service which runs fairly regularly And if you need to go the whole 30 km and have already done your exercise for the day, you might prefer to jump on that. But there are plenty of people that live along the way who might want to visit their neighbours in the neighbouring neighbourhood who don't want to have to go to a station and hope there's not track work and sit there waiting to get on a crowded train then get off in 2 stops and get all the way out of the station again. If there was a good bike path, they could just use that instead, leaving a seat on the train for someone else.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:And if you need to go the whole 30 km and have already done your exercise for the day, you might prefer to jump on that. But there are plenty of people that live along the way who might want to visit their neighbours in the neighbouring neighbourhood who don't want to have to go to a station and hope there's not track work and sit there waiting to get on a crowded train then get off in 2 stops and get all the way out of the station again. If there was a good bike path, they could just use that instead, leaving a seat on the train for someone else. Yeah, I assume Sydney is like Perth in that if you cycle to get around, there's places you basically never go. Not due to distance, but instead because getting there is dangerous or a huge hassle due to weird routes and major roads not having sensible places to cross.
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Recoome posted:there would need to be a significant investment in actually doing the surveying/risk assessments/construction/ongoing maintenance, especially when you are talking about constructing overpasses which are very substantial. Are you a civil engineer or someone who has worked with lobbying? How about writing responses for RFT/RFQs? There's one main overpass I'm talking about and it would be a world-class piece of infrastructure. The rest is literally some paint on the road and some signs that say "CYCLE CROSSING", maybe a few flashing lights if we're feeling fancy. And of course there are surveying/risk assessment costs, but it's still billions less than digging a tunnel underground across the harbour, or that metro sky-rail thing they built Hills. My approach is top-down. Go straight to a minster who seems genuinely engaged and is asking for proposals and try and get him to action the most impactful and cost effective things. So yeah, the aim of the slide deck is to give some detail, but my understanding was to trim it down as a general rule of presenting anyway.
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Glad you're ok Comstar.Comstar posted:There was a report it was sent to the minister by Clubs NSW. Comstar posted:Whelp. After getting a fever for 2 days, turns out I need an operation immediately or I could die very quickly. Just want to point out how efficient clubs nsw are. They got ya the day of the post.
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froglet posted:Jesus, glad to hear you're better! See also: The Black Death, that killed 200m people in like 7 years. Easily defeated by modern antibiotics, which become less modern every year, due to there being basically no public funding (and no profit motive for private funding). But hey, now we've seen how capitalism deals with a global pandemic, I think we can all rest easy!
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Don Dongington posted:See also: The Black Death, that killed 200m people in like 7 years. Easily defeated by modern antibiotics, which become less modern every year, due to there being basically no public funding (and no profit motive for private funding). i love resting peacefully.
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The Lord Bude posted:On Tony Abbott; I think he’d be an excellent senator for the purposes of helping to ensure the liberals can never win government again. I remember we thought that in 2013.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:WTF is going on in Alice Springs? Aurora borealis.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:WTF is going on in Alice Springs? Not a lot. Some dirt, some trees. Kangaroos maybe? Lizards?
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birdstrike posted:Aurora borealis. Hmm, pretty sure if Aurora Borealis is actually visible in Alice, worlds electrical grid is probably in the middle of getting proper hosed up. Be bloody great sight thou.
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Non Compos Mentis posted:Not a lot. Some dirt, some trees. The reptile house there is pretty cool. They have a very long snake who they drape over a dozen people's shoulders at once.
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dr_rat posted:But for how long??? (Antibiotic resistant strains of stuff becoming more common is a real bloody worry) I spent 2 days telling the doctors "I don't care about the time line, my entire body going bright red is a reaction to one of the several antibiotic's you've got me on for 12 hours of the day". To be fair, I could not tell them which one. They figured it out eventually. Also, I found out why Oxy-Codene is a narcotic. Being able to turn on and off my dreams and dream-state at will and have imaginary people standing around and talking is what I presume getting high is like? Wasn't very pleasant though, I'm not sure it's that enjoyable. I tried making a movie in the dream but it didn't work. Is that why they took Codene off the Coles shelf?
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