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Jan 18, 2023 20:15
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ultrafilter posted:Babylon 5: it's the loving Vorlons Babylon 5: it's the Vorlons loving
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Jan 18, 2023 20:17
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Babylon 5: Psst *waves you over* it's free mass in space
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Jan 18, 2023 20:53
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Gyrotica posted:I'm going to break into this riveting conversation to reflect upon that one time the Vorlons finished the Dilgar xenocide and Kosh went "lol what" and left. At least it's an easy report. It was the Vorlons, what am I supposed to do about it? Case closed.
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Jan 18, 2023 21:43
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I'm just glad that [dozens of new posts] is just people arguing about blue goop balls, and not, y'know, the usual reason for a bunch of posts in this thread.
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Jan 18, 2023 22:00
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I tried over a decade ago to get my wife into B5, but I started watching it around her this time around since it's on HBO for a bit longer, and a combination of it just being on all the time, and me telling her that a bunch of the actors were dead was apparently enough to get her invested this time. Also lol sorry for starting a realism derail, we should send it STRAIGHT TO HELL.
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Jan 18, 2023 22:17
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Gyrotica posted:I'm going to break into this riveting conversation to reflect upon that one time the Vorlons finished the Dilgar xenocide and Kosh went "lol what" and left. That would have been a funny scene, if for no other reason than that everyone hated the last Dilgar and wanted her dead, even the assholes.
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Jan 18, 2023 22:32
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Dr. Gargunza posted:I'm just glad that [dozens of new posts] is just people arguing about blue goop balls, and not, y'know, the usual reason for a bunch of posts in this thread. Considering how much he nerds out about space physics I was sure JMS had a post about it somewhere.
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Jan 18, 2023 22:43
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Luigi Thirty posted:Considering how much he nerds out about space physics I was sure JMS had a post about it somewhere. I think he said once that ''spaceships fly at the speed of the plot''. 
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Jan 18, 2023 22:57
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Hey babe, new Drazi color just dropped. It’s blue goo balls.
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Jan 19, 2023 00:31
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Asteroids are absolutely bluish white blobs.
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Jan 19, 2023 03:31
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I have to admit, I somehow never saw the asteroid in that scene until the big screenshot ITT. And then I watched the video and you can see it bobbing around in the cannon, and I just can't believe I never noticed it after all these years. Now G'Kar's line makes more sense!
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Jan 19, 2023 13:11
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Gyrotica posted:I'm going to break into this riveting conversation to reflect upon that one time the Vorlons finished the Dilgar xenocide and Kosh went "lol what" and left. Nobody cries for the Husnock either
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Jan 19, 2023 17:49
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Dirty posted:I have to admit, I somehow never saw the asteroid in that scene until the big screenshot ITT. And then I watched the video and you can see it bobbing around in the cannon, and I just can't believe I never noticed it after all these years. Now G'Kar's line makes more sense! Turn on your HD monitor.
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Jan 19, 2023 18:22
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FISHMANPET posted:On my latest watch through, I'm thinking about how they talk about how certain foods are so difficult to get on B5. Travel times are a bit vague, but it seems like in S4 when Lise visits the station to make a deal and then goes back to Mars that she leaves at night and arrives on Mars the next morning. But even if it's not that short a journey between B5 and Earth/Mars, it feels like they've forgotten about shelf-stable foods or refrigeration. I'd imagine some of the earth colonies are agricultural, so there has to be planets that are raising animals, so there have to be plenty of eggs and steaks and bacon going around. Eggs keep pretty well refrigerated, and you'd think a society that has figured out how to freeze a human and wake them up would be pretty good at freezing meats and thawing them. But no, even shelf stable products like canned anchovies or a bottle of olive oil are luxuries. Meanwhile, on the cargo ship that Franklin and Marcus take to get to Mars, half the hold is empty. There's plenty of room on these cargo ships, and plenty of advanced preservation and freezing technology to bring all the wonders of home to B5, but instead they're stuck eating flarn and blue oatmeal. Empty volume doesn't necessarily translate to available cargo capacity, mass counts too. Much of the plant growth on B5 is supposed to be for food purposes; Ivanova keeping a secret coffee garden is a violation of regs. I'd imagine much of the food on B5 is reconstituted. Sheridan makes a big deal out of getting to eat fruit when he gets to B5. That said, yeah, it's also largely contrived to make it so that Our Heroes have to go without some of the comforts of home and thus it's a Big Deal when someone runs in bacon (which was presumably frozen) or anchovies. Like someone else mentioned, you'd think chickens on the station would at least be an easy sell, since you can feed them food scraps. I'm sure JMS would come up with a "well, the [alien species] are allergic to birds" excuse or something like that. Also if you're looking for a lower-bound on transit time from B5 to Earth, I believe the White Star is considered a very fast ship and I think she made the trip in... three days? I'd have to check to be sure. Grand Fromage posted:At least it's an easy report. It was the Vorlons, what am I supposed to do about it? Case closed. You'd think that, but there's at least a couple instances where Earth people are dumb and/or disingenuous enough to ask "WHY COMMANDER NOT STAND UP TO VORLON?? >:(((((((" slurm posted:Nobody cries for the Husnock either god, and yet year after year someone comes into the Trek threads with "WHADDAYA MEAN THE FEDS DON'T HAVE A LAW ABOUT SPACE GODS ANNIHILATING CIVILIZATIONS ON A WHIM???"
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Jan 19, 2023 20:54
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:
And as you can see *gestures vaguely to...everything* this is not at all an unrealistic scenario. Though it would make for good television. "Senator, lodging a complaint with Vorlon High Command is like lodging a complaint with God. If you're lucky, they won't notice."
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Jan 19, 2023 20:59
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:you'd think chickens on the station would at least be an easy sell, since you can feed them food scraps. I'm sure JMS would come up with a "well, the [alien species] are allergic to birds" excuse or something like that.
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Jan 19, 2023 21:37
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:You'd think that, but there's at least a couple instances where Earth people are dumb and/or disingenuous enough to ask "WHY COMMANDER NOT STAND UP TO VORLON?? > Yeah but Earth is full of arrogant idiots huffing their own farts about "defeating" the Minbari. I don't think any of the other races are going to question "Vorlons, what?" Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Jan 19, 2023 22:34
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:god, and yet year after year someone comes into the Trek threads with "WHADDAYA MEAN THE FEDS DON'T HAVE A LAW ABOUT SPACE GODS ANNIHILATING CIVILIZATIONS ON A WHIM???" Be glad it was some assholes and be double glad it wasn't you. Go home and hug your kids and try to forget.
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Jan 19, 2023 23:56
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Buddy, I'm always trying to forget! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuDCaVXwEw
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Jan 20, 2023 00:47
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I can absolutely buy that they'd ban livestock imports on B5 for any number of reasons: animal welfare (they probably won't like being in space), disease (Bubonic 5), resource usage (now you've got to feed the animals, have infrastructure for them, veterinarians, medicine, etc), space (you really want a chicken coop taking up space in Brown Sector?), cultural (what if the Husnock decide they don't like captive animals or are aggressively vegetarian)...
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Jan 20, 2023 02:48
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Bubonic 5 is what they were supposedly trying to avoid with Franklin's reassignment to look at inter-species disease transfer, right? That would have made for some interesting plotlines way earlier in the series.
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Jan 20, 2023 02:51
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Raising animals on a space station seems like a big waste of resources. Only thing I could see are maybe fish, anything you grow is probably hydroponics and I've read ways to have fish/shrimp as part of that cycle.
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Jan 20, 2023 02:56
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Yeah, integrated aquaculture and hydroponics is a current research topic for space exploration.
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Jan 20, 2023 03:06
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That said while you're not going to have cows, raising some hens on a station of Babylon 5's scale doesn't seem unreasonable. At least from a resources perspective, the disease argument seems more compelling.
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Jan 20, 2023 03:12
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that discussion that the mass drivers weren't firing asteroids and g'kar was using poetic license has got to be the dumbest conversation i've seen about babylon 5 for the whole time i've been alive
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Jan 20, 2023 12:16
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I apologized!
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Jan 20, 2023 12:29
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Rappaport posted:I apologized! dead. dead. DEAD. DEAD!
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Jan 20, 2023 12:36
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Rappaport posted:I apologized! Some sins are unforgivable. Perhaps you should go on walkabout and think about what you've done.
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Jan 20, 2023 12:53
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Grand Fromage posted:Raising animals on a space station seems like a big waste of resources. Only thing I could see are maybe fish, anything you grow is probably hydroponics and I've read ways to have fish/shrimp as part of that cycle. Yeah I'm not talking about having big meat crops or something, just some that can live off of discarded food scraps and produce eggs and fertilizer.
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Jan 20, 2023 21:15
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Grand Fromage posted:That said while you're not going to have cows, raising some hens on a station of Babylon 5's scale doesn't seem unreasonable. At least from a resources perspective, the disease argument seems more compelling. If you've ever smelled chicken poo poo, you'll know why you don't want to introduce hens to a closed ventilation loop and why they would be impossible to hide. Red Sector has special filtration systems for the aliens with unique atmospheric needs, but anywhere else? No way.
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Jan 20, 2023 22:16
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Rappaport posted:I apologized! How do you apologize to the dead?
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Jan 20, 2023 23:49
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Everyone talking about the Centauri shooting balls of blue goop at Narn saying that they must be asteroids are forgetting one thing: these are Centauri we're talking about, it's clearly spoo they're shooting at the planet. Smh at all these fake fans. As for having livestock on B5, that seems like a bad idea from a prevention of creating new and interesting diseases perspective.
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Jan 22, 2023 18:08
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Eighties ZomCom posted:Everyone talking about the Centauri shooting balls of blue goop at Narn saying that they must be asteroids are forgetting one thing: these are Centauri we're talking about, it's clearly spoo they're shooting at the planet. Smh at all these fake fans. https://youtu.be/hMf15P38BCw
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Jan 22, 2023 18:23
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Jedit posted:If you've ever smelled chicken poo poo, you'll know why you don't want to introduce hens to a closed ventilation loop and why they would be impossible to hide. Red Sector has special filtration systems for the aliens with unique atmospheric needs, but anywhere else? No way. Put the chicken coop next to the pak'ma'ra section, no one will notice it.
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Jan 22, 2023 19:59
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Just finished up my rewatch, and remembered one thing that always sort of stuck in my craw is how Sheridan just kept harping on how the orders were illegal, rather than immoral. I kind of get that he's a military man first, and so that the legality of the orders would be of primary concern to him, but so much of his other actions seem more morally driven, so it just feels weird. Also, does anyone know if the Drakh/Centauri relationship was always intended to happen, or was that something rushed in to fill Season 5? The flashback earlier where Londo is drunk and has G'Kar kill him while his "Keeper" couldn't control him always felt like it was gonna be the shadows, but then again I'm sure it was always the plan that the Shadows would be defeated, even before he had to compress his plans for Seasons 4 and 5 into a single season. ALSO in stupid "mah realism" nonsense, in season 5 Sheridan brokers a deal where the Pak'mara share the excess from their agricultural colony with another race that's having a food shortage, but what the hell does a Pak'mara agricultural colony actually produce? Maybe they're raising livestock and slaughtering it and then letting it rot for 5 days before sending it along, and in the deal the Pak'mara would send along fresh products?
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Jan 24, 2023 17:19
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Sheridan swore an oath to the Alliance, and the issuing of illegal orders gives him justification to break that oath without violating his principles. It is a moral issue, just a personal one.
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Jan 24, 2023 17:56
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FISHMANPET posted:Also, does anyone know if the Drakh/Centauri relationship was always intended to happen, or was that something rushed in to fill Season 5? The flashback earlier where Londo is drunk and has G'Kar kill him while his "Keeper" couldn't control him always felt like it was gonna be the shadows, but then again I'm sure it was always the plan that the Shadows would be defeated, even before he had to compress his plans for Seasons 4 and 5 into a single season. I don't know if the Drakh were specifically planned, but JMS always said that the fifth year would deal with the consequences of the Shadow War. In the flashforward from War Without End, Londo specificially said the Shadows were defeated, but they left their legacies behind. In season four, when Zha'Dhum is destroyed, we specifically see the Shadows' servitor species escape, and we even see the Drakh in the Minbari Civil War arc. So I think it's pretty clear their existence was planned from at least season 3.
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Jan 24, 2023 18:07
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Both Sheridan and Sinclair love rules lawyering, a lot of the first season has Sinclair solving a problem by closely observing the law and finding some loophole. I'm not sure if that's just a character choice, or an overall belief JMS has on how to affect positive change.
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mossyfisk posted:Sheridan swore an oath to the Alliance, and the issuing of illegal orders gives him justification to break that oath without violating his principles. Actually an illegal order would give him the cover of refusing that order without breaking his oath. At least arguably. That's the whole thing. Complain that the order is immoral, nobody asked you now shut up and do your job. The order being illegal justifies refusing, at least in theory/on paper. And as you say, would definitely align more with his.principles.
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