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Judgy Fucker posted:Could you elaborate a bit on what this is supposed to mean?
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nine-gear crow posted:So this just means that Trump, at some point in their marriage, raped Marla Maples like he raped Ivana, and this is just him accidentally confessing to it because his goo brain has become unstuck in time, right? At this point I'd be surprised if there's a woman he's been with sexually that he hasn't raped.
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quote:And I posted and I will continue to post
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The alleged sequence of events that resulted in them charging Baldwin (and the director and armorer) were this: Where did you find this outline of events? This is the first I've seen anyone say that there was another armorer involved with the production at some point. The dummy bullet thing is wrong, both in that dummy rounds are not rubber bullets but are actual cartridges and bullets sans primer and gunpowder, and because the cinematographer was, according to all the reporting, shot with an actual bullet. I'm gonna be interested to follow along with this case if it does end up going to trial. I really want to see what details they have that would make Baldwin more culpable as a producer than any of the other producers on the film.
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Baronash posted:Where did you find this outline of events? This is the first I've seen anyone say that there was another armorer involved with the production at some point. The dummy bullet thing is wrong, both in that dummy rounds are not rubber bullets but are actual cartridges and bullets sans primer and gunpowder, and because the cinematographer was, according to all the reporting, shot with an actual bullet. Also I thought I had read earlier that they did hire a new person as the armorer but it was like some weekend warrior gun nut that didn't follow stuff safely and not someone already on set.
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Neo Rasa posted:Also I thought I had read earlier that they did hire a new person as the armorer but it was like some weekend warrior gun nut that didn't follow stuff safely and not someone already on set. The armorer was a nepotism hire by all accounts, very inexperienced and with a record of unacceptably sloppy behavior in her few previous jobs. She nearly deafened Nicholas Cage in one of her few previous jobs by firing weapons before he had hearing protection in place, swept people on set routinely, as I don't think even had a set safety/security protocol in place beyond "don't worry, I'll take care of it." Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Baronash posted:Where did you find this outline of events? This is the first I've seen anyone say that there was another armorer involved with the production at some point. The dummy bullet thing is wrong, both in that dummy rounds are not rubber bullets but are actual cartridges and bullets sans primer and gunpowder, and because the cinematographer was, according to all the reporting, shot with an actual bullet. quote:The beginning of Rust's production came amidst a potential strike by members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE) over working conditions and low pay. On October 4, it was announced that IATSE members voted 98.68% in favor of authorizing a strike, with a voter turnout of 89.66% of eligible voters. quote:On October 21, seven unionized members of the film's crew collected their belongings at approximately 6:30 a.m. MT in a walkout. They claim they were told to leave the set, with a producer threatening to call the police, and were replaced. quote:Souza, 48, told a detective that work usually started early in the morning but was delayed that day while a camera crew was found to replace a crew of six that had quit at 6:30 a.m. quote:Search warrants issued over the weekend by New Mexico authorities said that Halls had grabbed one of three prop guns set up by armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed and yelled “cold gun” as he handed it to lead actor Alec Baldwin, indicating that the gun did not have any live rounds. quote:The new warrants confirmed that several members of the film’s camera crew had walked off the set earlier that day after complaining about housing, payment and working conditions — forcing producers to scramble to find a new crew. quote:In a speech at a vigil, IATSE vice-president Michael Miller said, "I'm afraid we are also gathered with some frustration and a little bit of anger. Anger that too often the rush to complete productions and the cutting of corners puts safety on the back burner and puts crew members at risk." In a Facebook post, the gaffer on the film set, Serge Svetnoy, said that "to save a dime sometimes [producers] hire people who are not fully qualified for the complicated and dangerous job." https://www.thewrap.com/halyna-hutchins-live-ammo-target-practice/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident#Criminal_charges https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2021/10/27/alec-baldwin-rust-shooting-moment-by-moment/8540266002/ The dummy bullets thing was from the armorer's attorney: quote:On the morning of the incident, according to Gutierrez Reed’s attorney Jason Bowles, the 24-year-old armorer visually inspected the dummies and shook them before loading them into the revolver that ultimately wound up in Baldwin’s hands. https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rust-shooting-dummy-rounds-alec-baldwin-45-long-colt Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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I’m now fully convinced that either Thomas or Alito leaked the draft and now SCOTUS can’t say who did it https://twitter.com/scotusreporter/status/1616154385389608962?s=46&t=rdV521Ir2J8KHvpSEcgajw
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Yeah that "can't" is very obviously a "won't"
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selec posted:There are a few varieties of this: Harris is more low Charisma high Speech - says all the words but nobody likes her or follows her.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I’m now fully convinced that either Thomas or Alito leaked the draft and now SCOTUS can’t say who did it I swear I saw an article this week or last where they said they all but had it figured out.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:https://www.thewrap.com/halyna-hutchins-live-ammo-target-practice/ Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The dummy bullets thing was from the armorer's attorney: Baronash fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Rigel posted:To be fair to the Feds, it is pretty much established outside of a small academic dissent that a wealth tax is unconstitutional on the Federal level What are the arguments made for/against? I am not familiar with the rules regarding the kind of taxing the Fed govt can do that states are not constrained by.
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Dull Fork posted:What are the arguments made for/against? I am not familiar with the rules regarding the kind of taxing the Fed govt can do that states are not constrained by. The argument is that the Constitution forbids unapportioned direct taxes. The income tax was passed with the 16th amendment to the constitution, but the the 16th amendment only authorizes an income tax and not any other direct unapportioned taxes.
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Baronash posted:Right, there was a walk-off, but that was mostly camera people and the armorer wasn't a part of that group. The armorer who was charged had been the armorer long before those folks walked off the set. You're right, thanks. It says they recovered dummy rounds, blanks, baton rounds, and live ammunition and I mixed up the dummy rounds and baton rounds.
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That'll teach 'em. https://twitter.com/julesaroscoe/status/1615808090380636169?s=20&t=LwLvnm9wzcfcc9XXQkNQWg quote:The U.S. Department of Labor plans to fine Amazon over $60,000 for safety violations regarding warehouse workers, according to an announcement on Wednesday. Departmental investigators cited the company for “failing to keep workers safe,” which it said was a violation of the Occupational Safety and Health Act. quote:“OSHA investigators found Amazon warehouse workers at high risk for lower back injuries and other musculoskeletal disorders related to the high frequency with which workers are required to lift packages and other items; the heavy weight of the items; awkward postures, such as twisting, bending and long reaches while lifting; and long hours required to complete assigned tasks,” the OSHA press release reads.
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Dick Trauma posted:That'll teach 'em. Less than one second of their profits. They’ll definitely learn from this.
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Dick Trauma posted:...Amazon...penalty of $60,269 for the violations...15 business days to either pay the fine...
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BDawg posted:I swear I saw an article this week or last where they said they all but had it figured out. I don't think there's been anything reliable, no. The Court's been quiet about it, so the rumor mill and gossip press have been quite active about it, but they didn't really have anything of note to say about it. It's not shocking that they couldn't find the source. The impression I got is that the Supreme Court hasn't been particularly concerned about monitoring or security on their computer systems, instead relying on conventions and trust to keep things secure - which left the investigators with not much to go on.
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Dick Trauma posted:That'll teach 'em. Also is tonight the night the US defaults on his debt like Janet Yelin says? Because I saw a local news report last night that said both Amazon and Microsoft were preparing to or currently in the process of laying off a fuckton of people in preparation for an economic downturn, so it seems like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are both convinced that the Freedom Caucus is going to shoot the hostage while driving the car off the cliff over the debt ceiling.
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nine-gear crow posted:Also is tonight the night the US defaults on his debt like Janet Yelin says? Because I saw a local news report last night that said both Amazon and Microsoft were preparing to or currently in the process of laying off a fuckton of people in preparation for an economic downturn, so it seems like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are both convinced that the Freedom Caucus is going to shoot the hostage while driving the car off the cliff over the debt ceiling. Amazon and Microsoft were laying off people because they overhired and certain economic trends aren't go according to plan. Amazon counted on peak pandemic-shopping trends continuing and Microsoft was plowing into various ventures outside of their core businesses like AI that haven't been immediately profitable. Microsoft went from 144k employees to 221k employees between 2019-2022. Neither of their layoff moves are tied to the debt ceiling, but I'm sure the prospect of a politically-triggered US default isn't making them feel more confident about the economy. Life has been tough for tech companies ever since the Federal Reserve started raising interest rates. Since the Federal Reserve has indicated that they want to keep raising rates until inflation falls down (somehow) to 2%, they're not getting any relief and cannot justify various unprofitable (or barely profitable) business practices they were able to swing in the past. Eric Cantonese fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Also is tonight the night the US defaults on his debt like Janet Yelin says? Because I saw a local news report last night that said both Amazon and Microsoft were preparing to or currently in the process of laying off a fuckton of people in preparation for an economic downturn, so it seems like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are both convinced that the Freedom Caucus is going to shoot the hostage while driving the car off the cliff over the debt ceiling. The U.S. isn't defaulting today. It just hit the limit of what it can borrow today. If default happens, it would be around early June.
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nine-gear crow posted:Also is tonight the night the US defaults on his debt like Janet Yelin says? Because I saw a local news report last night that said both Amazon and Microsoft were preparing to or currently in the process of laying off a fuckton of people in preparation for an economic downturn, so it seems like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are both convinced that the Freedom Caucus is going to shoot the hostage while driving the car off the cliff over the debt ceiling. No, tonight is when the normal service of debt ends and the Treasury begins what it calls "extraordinary measures" (which are by now pretty ordinary) that will allow them to delay the point where they are entirely unable to service debt. No one knows by exactly how long, but it's probably several months.
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nine-gear crow posted:Also is tonight the night the US defaults on his debt like Janet Yelin says? Because I saw a local news report last night that said both Amazon and Microsoft were preparing to or currently in the process of laying off a fuckton of people in preparation for an economic downturn, so it seems like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are both convinced that the Freedom Caucus is going to shoot the hostage while driving the car off the cliff over the debt ceiling. Nah today's when we move into the "extraordinary methods" mode of keeping the government working, so we've got a few months before we find out if the gibbering maniacs in the fascism caucus are really willing to just burn it all down.
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Tim Kaine is making "an announcement about his future in the Senate" tomorrow morning. Speculation is that he might retire and 2024 would be an open seat.
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I figure I'll ask here because I can't seem to find a general "US Economy and You" thread, but in the event the US does default (and considering the Freedom Caucus, it actually stands a pretty good chance of doing so this time round), what does that mean for the regular person, and how would that affect the US dollar in relation to other countries currencies?
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Randalor posted:I figure I'll ask here because I can't seem to find a general "US Economy and You" thread, but in the event the US does default (and considering the Freedom Caucus, it actually stands a pretty good chance of doing so this time round), what does that mean for the regular person, and how would that affect the US dollar in relation to other countries currencies? basically the entire world economy is built around US debt so not great
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Randalor posted:I figure I'll ask here because I can't seem to find a general "US Economy and You" thread, but in the event the US does default (and considering the Freedom Caucus, it actually stands a pretty good chance of doing so this time round), what does that mean for the regular person, and how would that affect the US dollar in relation to other countries currencies? This piece might answer some of your questions. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/11/us/politics/debt-ceiling-economy-congress.html quote:What happens if we actually go over that cliff?
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Randalor posted:I figure I'll ask here because I can't seem to find a general "US Economy and You" thread, but in the event the US does default (and considering the Freedom Caucus, it actually stands a pretty good chance of doing so this time round), what does that mean for the regular person, and how would that affect the US dollar in relation to other countries currencies? The US government paying its debts is so fundamental to the modern world economy that there's a good chance financial software will outright choke on being told that it failed to happen. It will make what Liz Truss did to the UK economy look like dropping a quarter down a subway grate. This is why many of us are convinced that it will not be allowed to happen by hook or by crook- literally all the money in the world is riding on getting the debt ceiling raised and will pull every lever of influence it has to make it happen
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Randalor posted:I figure I'll ask here because I can't seem to find a general "US Economy and You" thread, but in the event the US does default (and considering the Freedom Caucus, it actually stands a pretty good chance of doing so this time round), what does that mean for the regular person, and how would that affect the US dollar in relation to other countries currencies? What are the requirements in the House to raise the debt limit? The Freedom Caucus is 53 people - even if they voted in lockstep against raising the debt ceiling, how many Rs would have to vote to raise it to overcome that? Is it a simple majority, or ???
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Eric Cantonese posted:This piece might answer some of your questions. So... poo poo will go up in price? haveblue posted:The US government paying its debts is so fundamental to the modern world economy that there's a good chance financial software will outright choke on being told that it failed to happen. It will make what Liz Truss did to the UK economy look like dropping a quarter down a subway grate. This is why many of us are convinced that it will not be allowed to happen by hook or by crook- literally all the money in the world is riding on getting the debt ceiling raised and will pull every lever of influence it has to make it happen So... poo poo will go up in price? Edit: Shooting Blanks posted:What are the requirements in the House to raise the debt limit? The Freedom Caucus is 53 people - even if they voted in lockstep against raising the debt ceiling, how many Rs would have to vote to raise it to overcome that? Is it a simple majority, or ??? I'm assuming that Boebert or Gaetz would just keep demanding votes for a new speaker and drag out the process if they really wanted to destroy the economy, assuming the Rs don't do it out of spite of a Democrat being in the White House. I have no idea what they need to raise the debt limit. Randalor fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Shooting Blanks posted:What are the requirements in the House to raise the debt limit? The Freedom Caucus is 53 people - even if they voted in lockstep against raising the debt ceiling, how many Rs would have to vote to raise it to overcome that? Is it a simple majority, or ??? How much do you want the Democrats to bend over to GOP spending cut demands to get enough GOP representatives to defect? There's a bit of bleed over and a very real chance that the "middle ground" to get both GOP and Democrats to vote on the same deal would alienate the more left-leaning Democrats.
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Shooting Blanks posted:What are the requirements in the House to raise the debt limit? The Freedom Caucus is 53 people - even if they voted in lockstep against raising the debt ceiling, how many Rs would have to vote to raise it to overcome that? Is it a simple majority, or ???
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Randalor posted:So... poo poo will go up in price? A lot of people will lose their jobs. When you lose your job, there could be an 90% off sale and stuff will still be too expensive. That will have knock-on effects. Prices might go down due to having to account for less buyers and less money in those buyers' pockets. Prices might go higher if government subsidies or facilities are necessary to assure the continued flow of goods and services and the government is unable to function. As other people here have said, NOTHING GOOD HAPPENS.
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US debt is traditionally the ultimate safe investment, because it's unthinkable that the US would not be good for it. That's why stuff like pensions and sovereign wealth funds, things that absolutely can't have their investments default, invest in it. When everything goes to poo poo, US debt costs go down because everybody wants it and we can sell it to them for cheap. Basically if stocks crash people move money into US debt. If US debt is not safe, then nothing is safe, and the entire underpinnings of the world banking system to to poo poo. US debt is used as collateral to leverage a bunch of other banking, because again it's considered 100% rock solid. US debt collapse could conceivably be worse than the Depression
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US Debt is also conveniently massive, which prevents anyone with buy-a-bank money from not having anywhere to park it without worrying about it coming with "oh by the way you also own the photocopiers" sorts of liabilities, which is why at minimum a default would be difficult to just shuffle around paper to the second-best option.
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Randalor posted:So... poo poo will go up in price? More like "immediate major worldwide recession", if not worse. It'd be the kind of thing that shows up in history books fifty years from now. Much of the global financial system relies in some way on the assumption that it is essentially impossible for the US to run out of dollars and be unable to pay its debts. Look at how the Great Recession, the result of a global financial crisis, was caused by banks misjudging the risks of subprime mortgages and ending up with more risky debt on their balance sheets than they expected. A US default would be a much, much worse version of that - there's a lot more money in US debt, and the risk of a US default was widely expected to be zero.
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I can't seem to find the drat article I saw it in (it mentioned something about someone "seeing things for how they are") but the concern I keep seeing is that the GOP aren't just the dumb kid running at the brick wall this time. McCarthy's actually trying some new strategy, I can't remember the details, something about insulating SS. Whatever it actually is I can't imagine it'll actually work, McCarthy is by far and away one of the absolute dumbest people in Congress.
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Main Paineframe posted:More like "immediate major worldwide recession", if not worse. It'd be the kind of thing that shows up in history books fifty years from now. Yeah. It would be an entry along the lines of "in 2023, a faction in the US House of Representative decided on a disastrous course of events that threw global economics into turmoil and ultimately is the reason why the United States ceased to be a global superpower or indeed to exist at all once the dust finally settled."
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