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Sinister looks to have won pretty hard. Wonder if Hope is a Sinister Clone too which is why her death was so key to his plan.
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Jan 19, 2023 02:20
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OnimaruXLR posted:There was something liberating about hearing Xavier, of all people, go "The mutant metaphor is a bit silly because other people who suffer bigotry can't accidentally evaporate the tri-state area" ... can vaporize the tri-state area.
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Jan 19, 2023 06:47
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MonsterEnvy posted:Sinister looks to have won pretty hard. Wonder if Hope is a Sinister Clone too which is why her death was so key to his plan. Honestly that would be a pretty cool twist.
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Jan 19, 2023 07:06
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Codependent Poster posted:Yeah it's why Xavier says on his worst day Magneto would do it. He's right. Magneto has had moments where he's gone all "yo gently caress the humans" and would've killed them all with a thought even if it's not really what he would've wanted. Yeah, it usually gets soft retconned or explained as, "Magneto was being mentally influenced by Sublime/Fabian Cortez/etc," a few years later, but even setting aside his Kick addiction and subsequent despotism in New X-Men, the setup that leads to Colossus joining the Acolytes is Magneto ranting about how he's going to make the rivers run red with the blood of humans and only those who join him on Avalon will be spared. Which sucks from a storytelling perspective, I think, because the Claremont Magneto is the first interesting version of the character and most of the 90s were about undoing that characterisation, but it's also super canon that Magneto is occasionally genocidal.
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Jan 19, 2023 07:10
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MonsterEnvy posted:Sinister looks to have won pretty hard. Wonder if Hope is a Sinister Clone too which is why her death was so key to his plan. I think everyone resurrected in this issue has been Sinistered. Which is bad because that includes Emma and Exodus too.
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Jan 19, 2023 17:24
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Cartridgeblowers posted:I think everyone resurrected in this issue has been Sinistered. Which is bad because that includes Emma and Exodus too. Yeah, it's safe to assume that anyone who died and was either in the resurrection queue with Hope or gets resurrected after is now a Sinister. We've already seen Emma in Sinister gear in one of the preview pages. That's what makes Sinister so fascinating, he's an infection. And setting aside the SoS stuff coming, ok...you throw the one on the island into the pit. Beast probably takes all his Moira clones to do more warcrimes (100% that's where all the Beast clones are coming from in the preview pages), but that's beside the point. What do you do about all the other Sinister clones out there who could be doing the same thing? Are you sure you got them all? Are you sure you know about them all? Getting rid of Sinister is a never-ending task.
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Jan 19, 2023 20:18
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We Got Us A Bread posted:Yeah, it's safe to assume that anyone who died and was either in the resurrection queue with Hope or gets resurrected after is now a Sinister. We've already seen Emma in Sinister gear in one of the preview pages. I don’t think they know where the Moira clones are or about them. After setting up the save point he left for a second less important secret lab. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Jan 19, 2023 20:23
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So I take it Sins of Sinister will end with us revisiting the first page of this issue where he's setting up a save point and learning that him winning is actually bad for him and everyone else. Destiny keeps saying they need to be on the same side and she's sort of directed him this way, and it appears she knows that Xavier is a Sinister clone but doesn't alert anyone but Mystique. Seems like Storm and some others won't become clones and will lead a resistance. But I wonder if all this ends with Sinister having to work together with the council against the other suits of himself. It's hard to say how the other three will work into the story.
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Jan 19, 2023 20:28
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It's Sinisters all the way down
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Jan 19, 2023 20:45
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Codependent Poster posted:So I take it Sins of Sinister will end with us revisiting the first page of this issue where he's setting up a save point and learning that him winning is actually bad for him and everyone else. Storm isn't in the resurrection protocols, so in theory, there's no way for Sinister to get to her.
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Jan 19, 2023 21:08
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I don’t think the leftovers of the Quite Council would be able to handle Emma, Xavier, Hope, and Exodus. Storm’s the strongest, but I don’t think she could handle being attacked suddenly by those 4. Edit: I don’t think Destiny knows all the details just that something bad will happen. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jan 19, 2023 |
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Jan 19, 2023 21:14
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MonsterEnvy posted:I don’t think the leftovers of the Quite Council would be able to handle Emma, Xavier, Hope, and Exodus. Storm’s the strongest, but I don’t think she could handle being attacked suddenly by those 4. Sunspot will neutralize them by offering the thing every Sinister wants more than anything. Fabulous capes.
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I do hope we get a few pages of Sinister badly pretending to roleplay other Council members
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Jan 19, 2023 22:27
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Storm wearing Magneto's helmet makes sense now too. If he can mind control others using the telepaths, Storm would need that to resist.
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Jan 19, 2023 22:35
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Yeah, this sets up a lot of stuff we see in the SoS previews/covers, which I am guessing is about Sinister-Xavier and everyone else corrupted taking over, leading to a millennium of rule... with the obvious out being Moira save point. I am here for it. ETA: Sinister being in the pit is probably not going to last long given everything else.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Edit: I don’t think Destiny knows all the details just that something bad will happen. Destiny saw a far-future Sinister timeline in a vision in the Immortal issue that focused on her. She definitely know a lot. But she also did push this direction so I assume she also knows how to get out of it (or that they DO get out of it).
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Jan 19, 2023 23:12
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Android Blues posted:Which sucks from a storytelling perspective, I think, because the Claremont Magneto is the first interesting version of the character and most of the 90s were about undoing that characterisation, but it's also super canon that Magneto is occasionally genocidal. There's a lot of really bad poo poo in the post-first Claremont run (some really good stuff too!) but the most consistently bad is the continual character assassination of Erik. This includes the Morrison run.
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Jan 19, 2023 23:13
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danbanana posted:Destiny saw a far-future Sinister timeline in a vision in the Immortal issue that focused on her. She definitely know a lot. But she also did push this direction so I assume she also knows how to get out of it (or that they DO get out of it). Destiny sees various futures, so she does not know what results can affect others in many cases.
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Sort of side topic, I haven't read this but it sounds cool overall. Also just read the reddit thread on it a bit. I'm way way back. But it just makes me notice, I guess my taste is a bit different. The things I often read people being impressed by and loving, essentially taking decades of comic continuity really literally and pointing out how odd it would be in real world terms etc, I just don't get much out of that. Not just this particular story, which I'm sure is well done, I just mean the trend overall. Someone mentioned on reddit the issue may say something like "I recruited these children because they were useful and easy to manipulate." To me that is again just kind of applying an overly realistic and I'd even say obtuse way of looking at X-Men comics. And it doesn't impress me at all, it's uninspired. It's all the grimdark stuff we hated about DC around Identity Crisis and that sort of vibe. Making comics all grown up or something, pointing out the unrealistic or odd elements like we're embarrassed by them or have to explain them etc. Ditto for some of Ewing's Hulk stuff, like that bit where Rick Jones is aware he's a sidekick in a story etc etc. It is just so not my thing.
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I, too, dislike things based on a comment I read on Reddit.
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Endless Mike posted:I, too, dislike things based on a comment I read on Reddit. I wasn't talking about the comic specifically, saying "it is bad". I'm sharing my take on trends I've seen in comics, but you can tell me if you feel the issue doesn't portray Xavier that way, I don't mind spoilers.
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The read that they were useful and easy to manipulate isn't something I agree with. The issue is about Xavier choosing mutants who would best be his X-Men and protect the world from other mutants who were dangerous. The original X-Men were all about growing potential, then the All-New X-Men were mostly mutants who had real world experience. I don't think Xavier chose them to manipulate them, but I think he chose them because he felt that those individuals put together could grow and protect the dream and the world. Also with Sins of Sinister, I think Destiny is also trying to create a world where Mystique lives, and so she's been subtly manipulating Sinister toward a new future and one that she didn't see. Like we saw her visions and one ended with Exodus swallowing Sinister, which I think would have matched up to the Sins of Sinister 1000 years into the future. But now we know it's not gonna end that way since Exodus is likely gonna be a Sinister clone.
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Cool, that's good to know.
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Lucas Werneck can't get enough praise for this issue. Can't remember when I last saw group action this dynamic. I think it's also worth pondering just how unreliable a narrator that Xavier might still be, how much of all this remains self-justification and even self-delusion. It's entirely possible that he genuinely believes the things he says, but that the things he says are also just martyrizing and giving purpose to all the shady stuff he's already done. Oh sure I was flawed, but I was being flawed on purpose. I didn't just pick the WASPiest and easily-"guided" teenagers for my original team because of my biases, it was all a grand plan. Oh I don't invade minds and plant psychic suggestions 'cuz of my overwhelming hubris, it's to protect you from yourselves. And my hubris isn't really hubris because I'm hubristic on purpose to make you more on guard. Every mistake I've made is part of my master keikaku. Etc etc, a train of rationales to eulogize his own behavior and to justify doing the exact same stuff from here on out. 'Cuz if he stopped doing that he might actually have to take a good look at himself and *gasp* change for the better.
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I don't think this should be looked at as an unreliable narrator situation. Gillen hasn't done that with any of the POV issues yet, and I don't think he'd start here even with the reveal at the end. I think it's a good delve into Xavier and it does address some issues with his powers and what he's done in the past. I don't think he's saying he's done everything right, but he's done what he thought has been the right things but still feels responsibility for what happens because... well poo poo, theoretically he could control everyone's mind if he wanted. So he does what he thinks is best to hold on to the concept of a dream, and knows he's messed things up, especially when it comes to his children.
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I don't get the impression at all that he thinks he's done anything wrong. In fact he frames every "mistake" he's made as some sort of intentional ploy to make sure people are watching out for the even worse things that he might do. It's the ultimate in wanting commendation for not being as big of an rear end in a top hat that he could be. "If Magneto had my powers we'd all be dead; aren't you glad you got me instead?" The narration isn't unreliable insofar that Xavier is directly lying or something, but moreso that it's not objective. It's still Chuck shirking any prospect for change, because apparently how he's been acting is exactly how he thinks he should act, and everyone should be glad of it.
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BrianWilly posted:I don't get the impression at all that he thinks he's done anything wrong. In fact he frames every "mistake" he's made as some sort of intentional ploy to make sure people are watching out for the even worse things that he might do. It's the ultimate in wanting commendation for not being as big of an rear end in a top hat that he could be. "If Magneto had my powers we'd all be dead; aren't you glad you got me instead?" He looks to regret things with David. He states he did not want to end up being a terrible father like so many others he knew, he succeeded and became a terrible father in his own way. He states that he has flaws and wishes things were different, and one of the reasons he tries to act suspicious is because he does not feel he should be trusted, because he would be too dangerous if he was an even slightly worse person.
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dude kind of has a point. i've read the arc of extreme xmen about hunting evil xaviers through the multiverse. if he goes too far one way, apocalyptic super villain. the other, immediately dead. kind of a bad person is as good as xavier gets. there's also deadly genesis, of course, but most writers thankfully tend to ignore that one.
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MonsterEnvy posted:He looks to regret things with David. He states he did not want to end up being a terrible father like so many others he knew, he succeeded and became a terrible father in his own way.  Him acting 90% bad is far more likely to make him go 100% bad than it is to deter him from that. Just ask anyone! (But especially Hank)Just to be clear: I love this issue and I think its voice and choices for Xavier is great. But part of the reason it's great is because it's still so shady, but now it's also interesting.
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The way I see it X has got a real avoidant personality when it comes to his irrefutable failures. So while he can justify his questionable choices all day long as long as they turn out right, he gets flopsweats and makes excuses whenever you confront him with anything that's irrefutably lovely. And because he has that kind of bipolar high strung outlook on his own life, when he does break, it's always pretty drat ugly, whether it's ignoring Danger's sentience, the string of events that lead to Onslaught or... David's entire life up until fairly recently It makes sense when you take the whole "My brain is one of the most powerful weapons on Earth; obviously I must be pretty great in a variety of ways, or things would be a real mess!" And all things considered, he's not doing a capital T terrible job. But as a character, this issue did a great job of illustrating his trademark Marvel Superhero Character Flaws (TM)
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Was it ever explained anywhere why forge (or like, anybody) hasn't replicated sinister's gene storage like 5 times over already
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site posted:Was it ever explained anywhere why forge (or like, anybody) hasn't replicated sinister's gene storage like 5 times over already I want to say that it's implied in this week's Immortal that they have replicated how to store genes the way Sinister does, it's just that he's been collecting the genetic samples for like 200+ years, so they have a LONG way to go to catch up.
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danbanana posted:Destiny saw a far-future Sinister timeline in a vision in the Immortal issue that focused on her. She definitely know a lot. But she also did push this direction so I assume she also knows how to get out of it (or that they DO get out of it). I also liked in that issue how the only other competing "long" timeline is dominated by Storm, not Sinister (and how it also still ended, I assume badly)
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I was thinking about the Sinister/Mother Righteous connection and suddenly a lightbulb went off: "Sinister" derives from the Latin word for "left." The negative modern definition comes from heraldry in the middle ages, where the bastard children of royalty were marked with an inverted, left-leaning version of the family coat of arms: a "bend sinister." The ordinary coat of arms, indicating the legitimate heirs, is sometimes referred to as "bend dexter" - from Latin for "right." So "sinister" once meant "left-facing" but now means "ominous or malevolent." The opposite of "bend sinister," "bend dexter," means "right-facing." But the opposite of our modern definition of "sinister" would be something closer to "virtuous," or "principled," or... "Righteous." ...I've read a ton of Gillen and Spurrier's stuff and they both love these kind of etymological shenanigans. If anyone still had any doubts about Sinister/Righteous connection, as far as I'm concerned this is the smoking gun.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:I also liked in that issue how the only other competing "long" timeline is dominated by Storm, not Sinister (and how it also still ended, I assume badly)
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Indie Rocktopus posted:...I've read a ton of Gillen and Spurrier's stuff and they both love these kind of etymological shenanigans. If anyone still had any doubts about Sinister/Righteous connection, as far as I'm concerned this is the smoking gun. 
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Is there an in-comic reason that Gambit has red eyes? I mean, did any of the writers explain why he would have red eyes? If not, I guess you could link it to kinetic energy or something silly like that. Red eyes are pretty rad, too. Sorry if this a silly question, I've been reading a lot of old X-men comics recently.
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John Yossarian posted:Is there an in-comic reason that Gambit has red eyes? I mean, did any of the writers explain why he would have red eyes? If not, I guess you could link it to kinetic energy or something silly like that. Red eyes are pretty rad, too. Sorry if this a silly question, I've been reading a lot of old X-men comics recently. Mutants can look weird in ways that have nothing to do with their powers.
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