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Post poste posted:If you're crushing all of the opposing angel armies on your second run, I would like to see your builds, please. After posting I may have hit the first wall in that I'm going to have a hard time with the Gold Mine fight. The bottleneck is food cap; I cant afford to send my army. But I am near the very end, just doing the druid quest line now. e: That said, battle predictor says this should be pretty easy:  ee: yep 
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Theresmore has a weird prestige curve. Like, usually the gameplay pattern is you play until the content is numerically overwhelming then ascend to gain major benefits allowing for further progression. In this it looks like you can beat it on the first run or two and prestiges are nice QOL boosts but won't meaningfully change the next gameplay loop. So, like, whats the point? I've been playing it a bit and I mostly agree. Most of the prestige bonuses don't feel like they do anything. Cool, I got 5% wood. That barely changes any dynamic with how I'm playing. There's also a lot of ones that feel like complete traps. Why would I spent my hard earned legacy points on a perk that makes the first five minutes... slightly faster? The game could really benefit from a few really beefy one-time bonus picks (kind of like NGU!) that make prestige have more value.
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Dragongem posted:I've been playing it a bit and I mostly agree. Most of the prestige bonuses don't feel like they do anything. Cool, I got 5% wood. That barely changes any dynamic with how I'm playing. There's also a lot of ones that feel like complete traps. Why would I spent my hard earned legacy points on a perk that makes the first five minutes... slightly faster? Yeah I beat it and had like 50 points and all 3 token items to buy stuff but it was pretty meh. I created a save token for if/when more content is made. No regrets though, was a fun run. As an aside, I just started playing The Perfect Tower 2 on steam and this might have potential.
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So is theresmore a complete copy of whatsitcalled or does it offer something/better other than some art and story?
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Legitimately I don't think Theresmore is worth it over evolve at this point, but they seem to be updating fairly frequently so give them some time.
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Arzaac posted:Legitimately I don't think Theresmore is worth it over evolve at this point, but they seem to be updating fairly frequently so give them some time. If you are enjoying it go for it but don't expect some significant change if it is feeling like a slog.
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Jan 19, 2023 02:21
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No I don't mean in terms of it feeling like a slog, I just mean in terms of the amount of content there.
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Jan 19, 2023 03:18
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I started Evolve after running out of things to do in Theresmore and it's pretty good. Especially with the auto script, which is really effective even when you're playing actively, because it will redirect resources to hasten whatever you put into the building/research queue, and try to prevent anything from sitting at a resource cap. Theresmore is basically if Evolve only had one prestige level and one species.
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Jan 19, 2023 04:11
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Yeah I beat it and had like 50 points and all 3 token items to buy stuff but it was pretty meh. I created a save token for if/when more content is made. No regrets though, was a fun run. Perfect Tower 2 is kind of a huge mess, but in some ways I respect it. I eventually hit a wall with it where I wasn't interested in loving with things as much as it wanted me to, but it was kind of a fun ride.
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Jan 19, 2023 12:46
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I enjoy the factory system in The Perfect Tower 2 which is just very very directly a combination of several popular Minecraft factory mods. They have so many little minigames that you can just totally bypass by printing out the resources from the factory, at least up until the progression points I had seen.
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Jan 19, 2023 18:01
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Just saw a thing on discord that Increlution updated today. New zone and some other stuff. Also there was a QoL update since the last content patch. Notes here https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1593350/view/3644009189553666282
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ErIog posted:Perfect Tower 2 is kind of a huge mess, but in some ways I respect it. I eventually hit a wall with it where I wasn't interested in loving with things as much as it wanted me to, but it was kind of a fun ride. Yeah some of the stations are incomprehensible (looking at you powerplant and most of the lab) but I'm enjoying most of it. I don't think it will have much legs but I'll see where the wall is. I'm about to hit 7th ascension in FAPI and still enjoying that for the time being.
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Perfect Tower 2 is annoying because with a few balance passes and some polish it would be absolutely excellent. As it is it's still Good for a while.
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Rynoto posted:Perfect Tower 2 is annoying because with a few balance passes and some polish it would be absolutely excellent. As it is it's still Good for a while. I still don't understand why they intentionally kept the e308 cap from the first game (at e308 any damage taken kills you and only the few sources of percent-of-max-health damage can do damage so nearly everything in the game suddenly does absolutely nothing.)
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given the CPU usage and performance issues I'm guessing they're not well plugged into the open source performant bignum libraries
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hello again friends I have been playing evolve idle more and I did my first bioseed prestige (as trolls, clearly the most powerful race). I probably should have made more interstellar probes because I only got kinda bullshit options, but I picked a tundra planet and became wendigos which is pretty cool (no pun intended). I have a couple of questions: - I have 23 phage, should I spend on perma-unlocking genes or should I just keep it? - someone mentioned an auto script, what is that? I am pretty cack-handed at managing my resources (i mostly bulk sell steel and buy stuff i need) or really working out where my current bottleneck really is, so it sounds like the auto script would help with that aspect. I have heard there are demons so I would like to one day become demons. in the game and in life.
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Jan 20, 2023 12:58
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Keep your phage. Just storing it does 2 things: increases your plasmid soft cap, granting you a greater production bonus from it, and with the right upgrade it increases your storage size. Permanent genetic levels are not the great because it is trivial to get them the normal way. I'm not well versed in the autoscripts but they are used to make the idle game a little more idle. One thing you might consider spending phage on is the governor, which is a lighter in game automater which handles a couple thing like military a crate management. If you want to be a demon you need a certain achievement: Doomed which you get by building a Marine Garrison on Mars and then having Hell overrun your fortress in it. Then it is a viable bioseed option. You will probably get that cheevo while doing your first blackhole reset.
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Jan 20, 2023 14:42
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At some point it's very worth getting the first permanent level in every genetic thing, but perhaps not with only 23 phage.
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Lone Goat posted:Just saw a thing on discord that Increlution updated today. New zone and some other stuff. Also there was a QoL update since the last content patch. In celebration of this, anyone remember the github repo that would modify it's electron app letting you speed it up by up to a factor of 100? I thought I had it in my notes but can't find it. EDIT: Found it https://github.com/Dimava/dimava.github.io/tree/master/mods/inc There's no way I would have found that naturally...
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juggalo baby coffin posted:hello again friends I have been playing evolve idle more and I did my first bioseed prestige (as trolls, clearly the most powerful race). I probably should have made more interstellar probes because I only got kinda bullshit options, but I picked a tundra planet and became wendigos which is pretty cool (no pun intended). Playing this game manually is my biggest vice. My suggestion for first phage purchase would be Governors. It adds the only in-game automation you'll have access to and is well worth the cost. After that, like Jabor said, you'll definitely want at least 1 level in each genetic thing so that you don't have to discover each of them every game and can invest your genes as you want. e: Sharks with frickin' lasers is the most powerful race Ynkling fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Jan 21, 2023 |
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Evolve is my long term project, I’ve been playing manually since it was first posted in this thread & it’s fun to just have something like this, that I’m slowly working through the good star runs with no worry if they take 2-3 months because it’s w/e. I do fully understand why people would automate it though.
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That's definitely fair, but when I was playing this manually, it was consuming my life, and straining my eyes to boot (no matter the UI theme). My route through Evolve so far was: A few MAD resets with No Free Trade, then Bioseed, then more MAD resets and 3 more Bioseeds, then finally Black Hole into Antimatter. Accumulated a bunch of Anti-Plasmids and and then did 4* MADs after getting Bleed 1, then Black Holed out into Heavy, ended up with 1900 Anti-Plasmids. Did more 4* MADs, a Valdi run, and now I did a Shroomi -> Troll (for 4* Toxic Trolls) -> Tortoise run for a 4* Joyless + Steelen run. Troll regeneration + Tortoise buffs should make getting resources from combat much easier. I got for production bonuses 43.5% Mastery (60%/60%), 27.19% from Anti-Plasmids, and 15.92% Storage from Phage. Picked up Governor and Negotiator recently as well, as well as buying Content and Tactical with Phage in order to make this run go smoother. After doing this double challenge, my plan is to do more 4* MADs to bolster Plasmids and Mastery, and then do a 0* Ascendance finally. Or maybe another one/two Bioseeds so I have that 6 unique planet achievement and maybe shop around for a very good planet for an Ascendance run. I don't have Transcendence (don't have Devotion yet either) but that would take so many more MADs and probably not required to get through Ascension in a timely manner. dipwood fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jan 21, 2023 |
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An early-ish 0* Ascension is well worth doing just to have a custom species with slaver to inherit for your other runs. Definitely don't need transcendence for it and looking through your list of stuff you should be all set. A simple ent-human setup into whatever and you'll be fine.Jabor posted:At some point it's very worth getting the first permanent level in every genetic thing, but perhaps not with only 23 phage. The only ones worth getting immediately are tactical and content. Other don't really matter until you're overflowing with phage. juggalo baby coffin posted:- someone mentioned an auto script, what is that? I am pretty cack-handed at managing my resources (i mostly bulk sell steel and buy stuff i need) or really working out where my current bottleneck really is, so it sounds like the auto script would help with that aspect. It's a tampermonkey script. Bunch of features to tick through although if you're early game you'll still need to stay on top of it and mess with settings as it can stall itself out. Smooths out a lot into midgame then more tweaking as you progress into late game. Rynoto fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jan 22, 2023 |
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Is evolve supposed to be pretty slow on the first run when you get to a premodern society? Like, most research is minor improvements and take the full knowledge bar which can take an hour to recharge.
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It's pretty slow, but I don't think it's supposed to be that slow. Are your job assignments geared towards maximizing your research output?
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Maxing out the research track at any point of your first run should take like, 10 minutes tops.
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The first run is very slow but that's way too slow. What species are you and is your morale low? Under 100% morale is a killer. Other things to check: Picked a government? Too many pops without switching from anarchy lowers production by a lot. Morale as mentioned which is affected mainly by taxes early as well as entertainers. Universities fully staffed? Building libraries? Rynoto fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Jan 22, 2023 |
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Lone Goat posted:Just saw a thing on discord that Increlution updated today. New zone and some other stuff. Also there was a QoL update since the last content patch. The QOL stuff is good, but every chapter added just keeps evolving into something like Progress Tree, where there is some "correct" pathway to proceed and the game is going to cross it's arms and make you spend hours and multiple runs trying to figure it out.
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Rynoto posted:The first run is very slow but that's way too slow. What species are you and is your morale low? Under 100% morale is a killer. "are you trying to research assembly line" is another
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I finally unlocked power and its starting to smooth out a bit. In retrospect it felt slower than it probably really was because I'm juggling with FAPI and Perfect Tower 2.
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Rynoto posted:The first run is very slow but that's way too slow. What species are you and is your morale low? Under 100% morale is a killer. Any other dummy advice for newbies for Evolve? I finally quit Theresmore and went back to Evolve. I think I had an old old save on my first prestige that I bounced off of after a few minutes, but I'm loathe to do a fresh restart even though at best I'm sure I only have a day's progress. Gonna give it another shot while I wait for a new hotness to occupy my time. I see now why everyone said Theresmore is just an Evolve reskin but slower. e: like is combat as stupid and obtuse as Theresmore? Can I safely ignore it while I just build things up and prestige/evolve? Xtanstic fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jan 22, 2023 |
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Combat is a way to speed resource gains up if you’re actively playing. The wiki should have all the numbers if you want to know them, but I don’t bother with it and it’s not hard to figure out that you want to have a strong advantage to minimize losses.
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Combat is really really simple in evolve. Each barracks gives 2 soldiers, soldiers give attack and defense, and winning combat is just a flat percentage chance based on your attack. You can also see your chances with spies (I've heard you wanna stay around 50% advantage). Early on I wouldn't recommend avoiding it, because it's a great way to get otherwise hard to obtain resources + quite a bit of money. But it is optional if you don't want to bother.
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Xtanstic posted:Any other dummy advice for newbies for Evolve? From what I've read in this thread, combat is more straightforward in Evolve. You only have 'soldiers', but their effectiveness is modified by quantity, tech, species' traits, genes, and spy actions. Eventually you can automate spy action via a one-time phage purchase (governors). For starting advice, I really appreciated this blurb from the now-defunct Evolve Spreadsheets: quote:"From a purely optimal standpoint, it might be theoretically best to rush into 4star challenges if you plan to do them at some point. Some players prefer to do 3star with Plasmids instead, as it is faster, but you'll need to do it again with 4star eventually if you want the achievements. The only adjustment I would suggest is to work in a Bioseed somewhere in step 5 (to an ocean planet for the many ocean planet achievements + to get governors). If you felt the bioseed wasn't too bad, aiming past it to a blackhole exit allows you to change universe, which is best to do as soon as you're able. Personally I jumped to Evil (more MAD) and then to Antimatter (bank 3K anti-plasmids) before finally settling in Heavy to finish all pre-pillar achievements. I'm now jumping to the other universes for the universe-specific achievements and to level up the EM challenge.
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Yeah I played a bit more and I realized where my loops are. Fiddling with Food/Knowledge gain in order to progress. Combat is just simple +ressources. Spies actually doing something instead of nothing (boo Theresmore) and giving me a %chance of success goes a long way to not making it obtuse.Ynkling posted:From what I've read in this thread, combat is more straightforward in Evolve. You only have 'soldiers', but their effectiveness is modified by quantity, tech, species' traits, genes, and spy actions. Eventually you can automate spy action via a one-time phage purchase (governors). Appreciate this. Quoting for later. None of the words in here mean anything to me haha.
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...I'm no expert but that doesn't seem right to me. I feel like the most efficient way to do it is to do a few 2star runs (because junk gene and no free trade are really easy, practically freebies) until you get all the crafty upgrades, then 3star for a while. 4star are just so much glacial slower that I really don't see how they could be worth it until you really stock up on your metaprogression.
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Evolve's Wiki shouldn't be discounted (it's also linked on the game page). It contains basically everything about the game including calculators, the formulas for said calculators, guides to the mechanics, a new player walkthrough, and so much more - all of which updates based on your save. It's the gold standard of game information.
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Rynoto posted:Evolve's Wiki shouldn't be discounted (it's also linked on the game page). a new player walkthrough, Bless. This is exactly the slingshot I wanted because I don't the patience to trial and error a million things.
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4 star runs are unbearably slow to me so I only do them sparingly (right now). Like, the optimal thing you're supposed to do is 4 star blackholing out of the starting universe so you never have to go back, but a normal blackhole already takes a long time at my current mastery level and I simply cannot fathom waiting around for how long that must take. I'll just go back later!
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4* runs that early are just boring. It's better to just experience the game at a pace you're comfortable with than worrying about being "optimal". So you'll eventually do a 4* run with that species later. So what? It'll be faster when you get around to it. Faster plasmids have more value than mastery that early. I didn't start doing 4* MAD runs until I left the Standard universe, in order to get double bonuses. Until then, I just had No Free Trade checked, maybe a couple more stars if I'm doing an easy species. To me, the best thing to do in order to not burn out is to do as much repeatable content as you can stomach, then just go for the next level. You'll have a better idea of what you want to do in the game when you have seen all the possibilities. I would also never recommend 4* for your first Blackhole unless you don't mind it taking forever. I 0* Blackholed out of Antimatter because it took 2-3x longer than doing it out of Standard. dipwood fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jan 22, 2023 |
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