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Admiral Joeslop posted:How many gimmick names have there been to spite/reference Vince? V.K. Wallstreet
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Speaking of the Runnels boys, how quickly did Dustin go from being Seven to Not Seven?
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The whole thing was a worked shoot. He came down in the costume and said "gently caress this Goldust ripoff, Goldust sucked" in his first in ring appearance.
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Tokelau All Star posted:I'm reading this article about the Great Muta on The Ringer and this stuck out to me. What's the deal with it being called the NWA "Worlds" Heavyweight Championship? Its not written as a possessive, so its a championship for multiple worlds? Like they promote shows on Mars?
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Halloween Jack posted:The whole thing was a worked shoot. He came down in the costume and said "gently caress this Goldust ripoff, Goldust sucked" in his first in ring appearance. In other words, if it wasn't a worked shoot the entire time the pivot from Seven to Not Seven was a few weeks before his debut when someone told Dustin everyone thought his sleep paralysis demon gimmick looked like a pedophile and they needed to change it. (I don't think there's a shoot interview that says if the plan was to always call it a bad idea, at least.)
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Yeah, I'm talking about a gimmick change where everyone is expected to accept that this is a completely different character or even person and not say a word despite them being well-known and/or their last appearance being just a few weeks/months ago. Doom debuted in masks and everyone is like "well you have two gigantic black men in the company and both of them aren't here now, so okay, it's Ron and Butch."
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edogawa rando posted:Speaking of the Runnels boys, how quickly did Dustin go from being Seven to Not Seven?
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Jan 21, 2023 08:38
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Didn't they turn Mosh into Beaver Cleavage pretty fast after Thrasher went out with the injury? Then I'm pretty sure they dropped it even faster but they actually explained that kinda.
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Halloween Jack posted:Mike Jones Who? jesus WEP posted:exactly one year, same as all other children  bravo
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harperdc posted:Who? 281 330 8004
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Cavauro posted:brodie lee's act as the exalted one included a lot of vince mannerisms. it branched out from there but you could say the gimmick was mostly vince-based early on Makes sense, Brodie Lee's whole act in AEW was "the Higher Power done right".
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What I’m hearing is that following his reveal as the higher power in June of 1999, Vince McMahon should have gone on to squash *checks cagematch* Jeff Jarrett for the IC title.
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jesus WEP posted:exactly one year, same as all other children laffo
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TheKingslayer posted:Didn't they turn Mosh into Beaver Cleavage pretty fast after Thrasher went out with the injury? Then I'm pretty sure they dropped it even faster but they actually explained that kinda. On June 28, 1999: "Well, Michael Cole, all due respect to you and to the creative team of the World Wrestling Federation, I've been down gimmick alley before. I've been a Spider, I've been a Head Banger, I was a Sister of Love, and then I was Harry 'Beaver' Cleavage. Through the support of my girlfriend Marianna, she's convinced me to go out on my own and do what I've always wanted to do - become my own star here in the World Wrestling Federation. I'm Chaz, I'm a kid from New Jersey, I'm here to have fun and THAT'S what I'm gonna do." The following week he loses his match against Jeff Jarrett but Mosh runs out and makes the save! (Mosh doesn't wrestle until some house shows in September, so presumably he wasn't ready to go) Chaz floats around jobbing on B/C shows for a couple of months until September where Marianna shows up with a black eye and there's a weird worked-shoot thing where everyone in the company is SUPER PISSED at Chaz for being a domestic abuser so wrestlers beat him up extra hard and refs intentionally gently caress him over and police keep coming in to re-arrest him, but by the first week of October Thrasher finds GTV footage of her applying domestic violence make-up in order to press false charges, which means she is guilty and sent to jail and never seen again. And the Headbangers were officially back, ready to beat Chris Jericho in their return match! For anyone wondering, the domestic violence angle was started when Russo and Ferrera were still writing, and the GTV wrap-up aired on Heat the week after they jumped to WCW.
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Thanks for that writeup, particularly as thanks to this thread I now laugh every time I see Vince McMahon having a babyface's motivation be "just here to have fun"
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Dr. Quarex posted:Thanks for that writeup, particularly as thanks to this thread I now laugh every time I see Vince McMahon having a babyface's motivation be "just here to have fun" The last, and possibly worst time this happened before I quit watching WWE was with Asuka. They should have made her sing a karaoke-version of the Cyndi Lauper song.
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Dr. Quarex posted:Thanks for that writeup, particularly as thanks to this thread I now laugh every time I see Vince McMahon having a babyface's motivation be "just here to have fun"
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Lo Down is top of the list for most underrated tag team. Too bad they got torpedoed by Tiger Ali Singh
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Lurks With Wolves posted:In other words, if it wasn't a worked shoot the entire time the pivot from Seven to Not Seven was a few weeks before his debut when someone told Dustin everyone thought his sleep paralysis demon gimmick looked like a pedophile and they needed to change it. IIRC, the gimmick was scrapped because of the network. They didn't like the implications of a character who looks into children's bedrooms while they're sleeping. The worked shoot was just WCW's way of disposing of it.
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While not an overnight gimmick switch, I will never not laugh at Lord Tensei’s reveal
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Edge & Christian posted:Thrasher went out with an injury in January 1999, and Mosh also disappeared from TV until May when they started the Beaver Cleavage vignettes. He had one match as Harry "Beaver" Cleavage before disappearing for another three weeks, ten returning to walk out of a backstage interview AS A SHOOT BRO, THIS IS LIVE AND NOT IN THE SCRIPT BRO. I appreciate this because the wiki was a little vague about when Thrasher went down and it makes it seem like they repackaged Mosh like, weeks later. I remember watching it at the time but my perception of timelines is kinda stretched.
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Didn’t the Chaz/Marianna abuse angle run subsequent to Jeff Jarrett’s misogynist run where he would beat women in the ring?
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Didn’t the Chaz/Marianna abuse angle run subsequent to Jeff Jarrett’s misogynist run where he would beat women in the ring? Looking at Chaz's wiki and when the Good House Keeping match happened and... yep! Russo, you've done it again!
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A little earlier than that but they also ran an angle where it appeared Marc Mero might or might not have been physically abusing Sable. They dropped that pretty quickly though.
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History Comes Inside! posted:What I’m hearing is that following his reveal as the higher power in June of 1999, Vince McMahon should have gone on to squash *checks cagematch* Jeff Jarrett for the IC title. Oh, come on, that's bullshit and you know it. Brodie didn't even win the TNT belt until five months after his debut. Vince would've had to squash Chyna.
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Wise Fwom Yo Gwave posted:While not an overnight gimmick switch, I will never not laugh at Lord Tensei’s reveal Not that his wrestling was even all of the problem, but does anyone know if he somehow had lost a step since his apparently good run in Japan, or if WWE was just like "do not go out and do all that cool stuff, nobody wants to see you be a good wrestler?"
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His re-debut on RAW was less than two months after his final match in NJPW, so it's probably the latter.
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Speaking of Tensai and gimmick changes, what's the quickest turnaround from hulking monster to dancing comedy gimmick? That happened with a ton of big dudes in the fed, but I know some happened faster than others.
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Brodus Clay iirc was advertised as a monster and showed up as a dancing idiot immediately instead
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Bonk posted:Speaking of Tensai and gimmick changes, what's the quickest turnaround from hulking monster to dancing comedy gimmick? That happened with a ton of big dudes in the fed, but I know some happened faster than others. The Shockmaster, I don't know if he was doing comedy skits by the next tapings but it was so fast after that.
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When did TV turn from an advertisement for the house shows into the principal product for WCW and WWF?
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Pay Per View becoming the big revenue driver started the trend of TV meaning more but Nitro hitting really signaled the era of TV being the principal product
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Nystral posted:When did TV turn from an advertisement for the house shows into the principal product for WCW and WWF? TV turned from a house show advertisement to an advertisement for PPVs when PPVs became the main revenue driver in the early 90s. In the 2010s TV became the main revenue source and the advent of the Network made individual shows less important so TV was the most important thing.
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Dr. Quarex posted:I wish I could disagree given how much I loved Albert but, yeah, pretty much. It's WWE, I think the answer is obvious.
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Bonk posted:Speaking of Tensai and gimmick changes, what's the quickest turnaround from hulking monster to dancing comedy gimmick? That happened with a ton of big dudes in the fed, but I know some happened faster than others. According to Don Callis it happened overnight with Kurgan when Vince saw Kurgan dancing with his wife at a reception. Callis tried to warn him but once Vince saw 'large man moving his body to rhythm' it was over.
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Bonk posted:Speaking of Tensai and gimmick changes, what's the quickest turnaround from hulking monster to dancing comedy gimmick? That happened with a ton of big dudes in the fed, but I know some happened faster than others. The first time Albert started dancing as "The Hip Hop Hippo" alongside Scotty 2 Hotty a couple of years into his first run. He later turned on Scotty, took some time off and came back as A-TRAIN. It only took about nine months to go from LORD TENSAI to one half of Tons of Funk. I think Brodus Clay has to be the quickest repackaging (in that his vignettes were for A MONSTER and he immediately showed up as the Funkasaurus), but it's worth saying that Brodus Clay was on NXT, then the main roster as Alberto del Rio's bodyguard/generic monster heel on B/C shows for over a year before re debuting as the Funkasaurus. It's also tricky because technically he'd been banging around WWF with multiple gimmicks for nearly a decade, but Rikishi Fatu was just sort of a generic big tough guy for a few months on Heat/Shotgun Saturday Night before making what I believe was his Raw debut saving Too Cool and then dancing with them.
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harperdc posted:Who?
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Why did Dustin Rhodes and Dusty Rhodes have a falling out in the mid 90s?
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Why did Dustin Rhodes and Dusty Rhodes have a falling out in the mid 90s? No idea but I'm gonna guess that it had its roots in Dustin's drug use and Dusty being a absentee dad
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