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lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

verb tense can be a tricky subject

# ? Jan 21, 2023 16:43

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# ? May 25, 2024 18:21

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Zodium posted:

what do you mean "were"?

# ? Jan 21, 2023 17:17

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Poland violating sanctions and shipping critical supplies of coke to russia.

Donrf posted:

На лохе не заработать грех большой. А что у нас их море...

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# ? Jan 21, 2023 17:53

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Lostconfused posted:

Poland violating sanctions and shipping critical supplies of coke to russia.

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I knew they protested too much! :argh:

# ? Jan 21, 2023 18:27

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Al-Saqr posted:

why does finland even need to exist we already have the swedes and danish what does finland even do. at least Norway has the money to cover up their lack of general contributions to humanity.

simple
sweden=snow rally maps
finland=gravel rally maps

# ? Jan 21, 2023 18:29

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Homeless Friend posted:

simple
sweden=snow rally maps
finland=gravel rally maps

In real racing you hit the other cars.

Rally is just DUI in the woods.

F1 is for children and Europeans.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 18:33

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Al-Saqr posted:

why does finland even need to exist we already have the swedes and danish what does finland even do. at least Norway has the money to cover up their lack of general contributions to humanity.

They have the temerity to speak a non-Indo-European language and still be overwhelmingly white. Who the gently caress do they think they are, Hungary?

# ? Jan 21, 2023 18:37

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Lostconfused posted:

Poland violating sanctions and shipping critical supplies of coke to russia.

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poland doing their part by distributing diabetes in a can among the orcs o7

# ? Jan 21, 2023 18:54

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

rezident reposted this, could be a one of thing, could be press ganging is back.

Сплетница posted:

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This is rather stupid! Cruel and stupid.

How can people win a war when they're forced into the trenches?!

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# ? Jan 21, 2023 19:37

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Lostconfused posted:

Poland violating sanctions and shipping critical supplies of coke to russia.

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slava cokini

# ? Jan 21, 2023 19:42

Throatwarbler: Nov 17, 2008; by vyelkin

There's probably no need for both Finland *and* Estonia to exist though?

# ? Jan 21, 2023 20:16

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/Klitschko/status/1616421947323162624?s=20

Oh no not the WEF and Davos.

https://twitter.com/Olga838591/status/1607496250542153729?s=20

:hitler:

# ? Jan 21, 2023 20:29

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

V. Illych L. posted:

the swedes made a deal, then stupidly fulfilled only a part of the deal and now the turks are refusing to honour their side of it until the swedes to everything they promised to do. now popular opinion in both countries is turning sour, making future compromises more difficult

sweden's NATO accession story is very sordid imo

how you gonna let someone into a partnership who won�t even break bread with you lol. destined to die neutral

# ? Jan 21, 2023 20:32

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

certainly the baltics are real countries in the sense that delaware is a real state.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 20:33

Mister Bates: Aug 4, 2010

SplitSoul posted:

The corpulent Qur'an burner also received a 5-year restraining order (the maximum) for ceaselessly harassing a family for years, which apparently wasn't sufficient to get disbarred. I can't imagine what you have to do to get disbarred in this country.

The only positive thing you can say about him is that he really, really hates cops.

Jack Thompson, after years of borderline-criminal or outright-criminal behavior, finally got disbarred for (among other things) faxing a judge hundreds of pages of gay pornography as part of his argument that the Florida Bar was unconstitutional due to being insufficiently homophobic, so I guess the threshold is 'you have to irritate enough powerful judges'

# ? Jan 21, 2023 20:40

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

give me twenty minutes and I will have cassus belli on latvia

# ? Jan 21, 2023 20:41

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Oh yeah, got one of these for today

https://suspilne.media/360758-putin-robit-te-so-j-stalin-robiv-represovana-zitelka-rivnensini-rozpovila-pro-deportaciu-do-sibiru/

quote:

"Putin is doing what Stalin did": a repressed resident of Rivne region tells about her deportation to Siberia

In 1947, Solomiya Bukovska's father was convicted of helping the UPA, and two years later her mother and her daughters were forcibly taken from the village of Khynochy, Volodymyrets district, to Siberia. The 83-year-old Rivne resident told Suspilne the story of her family.

Solomiya Bukovska's father, Fedir Zhohl, was imprisoned by the Soviet authorities for his collaboration with the UPA:

"He used to collect food and clothes from neighboring villages on a cart. He would take them to the forest. He would go and stay there for a week. He did not take part in battles, he only provided for our guys in the forest so that they would not be hungry, barefoot, or naked."

The man was turned in by a neighbor who often helped the family with housekeeping.

"He told my dad that he helps and involves him. Because my dad once said: "Semen, can you help me collect some money for the boys in the forest?" He also said that he was involved. That's how my father was arrested and sentenced to 25 years," Solomiia Bukovska recalls.

When the SBU declassified the files of the repressed, Solomiia Bukovska studied her father's case and found out that those from whom he collected food also testified against him.

"It was written: "He collected food, clothes, and transported them for the UPA gang." This was testified by fellow villagers. I read the testimonies of ten people there."

Fedir Zhohl was arrested in 1947 and imprisoned in Dubno. Eight months later, he died.

"They hung me upside down and poured water through my mouth and nose, and beat me. It was the same with my father. He got tuberculosis, I read the case file, and he was transferred to our Rivne prison on Pushkin Street. Allegedly for treatment. He was cured and sent back to Dubno," the woman says.

An eyewitness who lived near the prison said:

"All the dead there were thrown into a pit, they were not buried. Then this pit was covered with asphalt. That's why my father has no grave. When we came back from Siberia, my mother put a cross for my father in the village."

Nine-year-old Solomiia Bukovska, along with her mother, brother, and two sisters, was forcibly taken to Siberia in 1949:

"It was about five in the morning when we arrived. My mother was told: "Get ready, take only what you need." The neighbors said: "Why don't you leave the little ones?" My mother replied: "No, where I am, my children will be there. She never remarried after that. She said: "I don't need it."

Before being sent to Siberia, the woman and her family were placed in a resettlement center in Klevan.

"It was a common barracks. Each family had its own bunk. We went to the toilet right in that room. We were only taken out for a walk once a day."

"There were people from all districts of our region. Four families were evicted from our village. Two of them were sent to the Khabarovsk Territory, and my family and another family were sent to the Krasnodar Territory, to Khakassia. We were taken in freight cars, it was winter. There was a stove inside. There were many people and everyone had their own place. At some stops, we stopped to collect coal for heating. They gave us various soups, like in prison," the woman adds.

"They brought us and at first we were also accommodated in a barrack. My mother and four children were given a separate room. And then we were settled in another city."

The family was able to return to Ukraine only in 1961. Solomiia Fedorivna recalls that they had to start life from the beginning.

"We arrived in our village, our house was taken away because it was new, in the center of the village. They did not give us this house back. We lived with the grandfather of my brother's friend. He invited us himself."

In Rivne, a woman headed the regional and city societies of political prisoners and the repressed. Before the COVID-19 epidemic and the full-scale invasion, members of the society were actively engaged in educational activities and assistance to the families of the repressed. Now, says Solomiia, the work has been suspended.

"There is a greater emphasis on the current political prisoners of the repressed. What is Putin doing? Putin is doing what Stalin did. Stalin deported families with children, that's how he repressed them. Putin is doing the same thing," says Solomiya Bukovska.

Donrf posted:

For connoisseurs of mova, the link. For others, a retelling. Granny from Rivni is complaining about Stalin. Like her father only delivered food to banderites, and the bloody regime pinned 25 years on him for it, and other villagers were the ones that snitched at that, who volunteer gave up that food for banderites. Knowing the reality of those times - those who did not give voluntarily, got a visit from forest scum, and...their house was new and right in the center of the village. Which kind of suggests that the freak had his own gesheft, which the friendly villagers got fed up with. Speaking of which the collector of danegeld died in the local prison, with local guards. I don't even want to imagine what he did to get that kind of treatment. The wife taken to Khakassia dragged her children along. Khrushchev released her, and now she's getting revenge. Winding up youngins to go die because her easy life built on blood suffering of her countrymen was stolen. They should have been crushed back then. Completely.

https://suspilne.media/360758-putin-robit-te-so-j-stalin-robiv-represovana-zitelka-rivnensini-rozpovila-pro-deportaciu-do-sibiru/

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# ? Jan 21, 2023 20:57

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

lobster shirt posted:

it is factually correct to use the past tense to refer to blackwater, which was a criminal organization that does not exist anymore. now it is constellis and the frontier services group that are presently existing, successor criminal organizations.

Fire Frontier Services Group is owned by CITIC Group, a state-run investment fund owned and controlled by the People's Republic of China. CITIC is FSG's largest shareholder. You representing that the right should be idnak because of something true about its current status doesn't validate your fbfhemskfv. Knowing things isn't pedantry. It�s a perfectly scrfrhffjjejrh

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:07

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Lostconfused posted:

Oh yeah, got one of these for today

https://suspilne.media/360758-putin-robit-te-so-j-stalin-robiv-represovana-zitelka-rivnensini-rozpovila-pro-deportaciu-do-sibiru/

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It sucks that the mom and kids had to suffer through that (torturing children is reprehensible, I hope it goes without saying), but yeah, lady, your dad was a Nazi, sorry to break it to ya...

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:08

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

The kids didn't have to go, they had family in the village. It was her choice to take them there.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:13

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Lostconfused posted:

The kids didn't have to go, they had family in the village. It was her choice to take them there.

I don't know if she knew what she was getting them into. I doubt she expected they'd be tortured. Even if she did, it wasn't the kids' choice; they didn't deserve that.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:14

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1616534315734630400

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:16

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1616734636125683712

Edit: I dunno what the narrator's position is on this war thing, but he makes it sound like the problem is that Kiev didn't fall in 3 days.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:19

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

If you want to read some absolute sicko poo poo, The Ukrainian Insurgent Army: A History of Ukraine�s Unvanquished Freedom Fighters is illuminating.

For example, here's how it refers to Babi Yar: "The OUN stood its ground and was even able to launch a massive anti-Soviet uprising in the first days of the German-Soviet war."

And the massacre of Jews and Poles in Ukraine: The expansion of the UPA took place against the background of perpetual con- frontations with enemy forces on three fronts: anti- German (fighting the agencies of the government of occupation), anti-Soviet (fighting Red partisans), and anti-Polish (fighting Polish underground units that considered Western Ukraine part of the Polish state). Nonetheless, the Ukrainian insurgents suc- ceeded in liberating substantial territories from the various occupying forces, and Ukrainian govern- ments were installed in these so-called insurgent re- publics.

There's way more but what kills me is how many of these talking points have passed seamlessly into the mainstream Canadian press.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:24

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

https://blackagendareport.com/ukrainian-solidarity-network-highest-stage-white-western-social-imperialism

quote:

The Ukrainian Solidarity Network: The Highest Stage of White Western Social Imperialism

The Ukraine conflict was caused by the U.S. backed right wing coup in 2014 and the duplicity of Europeans who claimed to be working for peace. Anyone who supports these actions but claims leftist credentials must be challenged.

�It is urgent to end this war as soon as possible. This can only be achieved through the success of Ukraine�s resistance to Russia�s invasion. Ukraine is fighting a legitimate war of self-defense, indeed a war for its survival as a nation. Calling for �peace� in the abstract is meaningless in these circumstances.�(Ukrainian Solidarity Network )

�Social-imperialists,� that is, socialists in words and imperialists in deeds ( V.I. Lenin)

�The Western social-imperialist left that is still addicted to its material privileges and illusions of being a part of something called the �West� has a choice that it must make: either you abandon privilege and whiteness and join as class combatants against your bourgeoisie, or you will be considered part of the enemy.� (A.Baraka, The Western Imperial Left�s Collaboration with the Western Bourgeoisie )

The clear implication from this statement issued by the newly formed Ukrainian Solidarity Network is that military victory is the only solution for resolving the conflict in Ukraine. The fact that many of the individuals supporting this network self-identify as leftists, represents a new, perhaps higher form of collaboration with Western and U.S. imperialism that may have ever developed since the end of the second imperialist war in 1945. I issued an excerpt of my statement in response to the emergence of this network that caused a stir. Here is my statement in full.

One of the most positive things to emerge from the Collective West's war in Ukraine is that it helped to expose elements of the U.S. left that have always had a soft, sentimental spot for the West. The arrogance of these Westerners who signed on to this call for more war (see below) is reflected in the fact that they don't even feel compelled to explain how their morally superior commitment to Ukrainian self-determination against "Putin's" war is reconciled with the various statements from former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, former French President Francois Hollande and before them, former Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko revealing that the Minsk agreement was just a delaying tactic to prepare for war.

We ask the Network as we have been asking Zelensky and Biden, the co-coordinators of the White Lives Matter More Movement, how this phase of the conflict that started in 2014 became Putin�s war? Do we just dismiss as Kremlin propaganda that the Russian Federation felt threatened by what appeared to be the de-facto incorporation of Ukraine into NATO as the Ukrainian army was built into the most formidable fighting force in Europe outside of Russia?

Did the Russians not have any legitimate security concerns with NATO missiles facing them from Romania and Poland, a mere six minutes away from Moscow, and that Ukraine was also making a pitch for �defensive� missiles in Ukraine? And how does the Network characterize the conflict in Eastern Ukraine that started in 2014 and produced over 14,000 deaths when the Ukrainian coup government attacked its own citizens, if the current conflict started in February 2022? What happened to the fascist issue in Ukraine that was written about for years but with even more urgency after the coup in 2014? Did the Kremlin plant those stories in the Western press?

We understand that these are questions that the organizers of the Ukrainian Network will never answer because they do not have to. As Westerners they can just postulate an assertion and it is accepted. The Network and the Western bourgeoisie declare that the war in Ukraine is Putin�s war and it becomes objective truth - because that is what the West can do and can get away with. It�s called power � white power perhaps?

The Ukrainian Solidarity Network is the ultimate expression of social imperialism that has become so normalized in the U.S. and Western Europe that it is no longer even recognized. An example from the statement makes the argument that Ukraine has the �right to determine the means and objectives of its own struggle.� That is a recognized left position. But the social imperialists of the West do not extend that principle and right to nations in the global South. In fact, we ask the signers of this call to explain when the coup government of Ukraine became the representatives of the Ukrainian nation and recognized the sovereign will of the people?

Therefore, it is not a mere coincidence that the main signatories of this Network statement pledging undying support to Ukraine and its project, are also some of the same �left� forces in the forefront of giving left legitimacy to the charge leveled by Western imperialism that the struggling socialist oriented national liberationist states like Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia are nothing more than �authoritarian� states more interested in power than socialist construction. Some of those forces also cheered on the NATO attack against Libya, passionately defended Western intervention in Syria and have been silent on Western plans to violently invade Haiti.

For the contemporary neocons in the leadership of the Ukrainian network, their commitment to abstract principles, and certainty that they know more than everyone else, objectively place them in the same ideological camp with Obama, Biden, NATO strategists, the Zelensky clown, and Boris Johnson. But they will argue that their positions are different, since they represent something they call the left.

For a number of individuals who signed on to this pro-Western, pro-war letter, they are in a familiar place. However, I suspect a few of the individuals on that list were probably confused or not paying attention, not thinking about who they would be affiliated with when they signed on.

That of course, is not the case for some of the key supporters of this initiative. Individuals like the Green Party�s Howie Hawkins, Eric Draitser of Counterpunch, and Bill Fletcher who normally I would not name specifically but because these individuals and the tendency they represent embody the worst of the arrogant, Western left that in so many cases (not all) objectively provides ideological cover ( rightism with left phraseology) for the imperialist program of Western capital - they should not be allowed continued left respectability without challenge.

These individuals certainly have not hesitated in offering criticisms of those of us who never wavered from our strategic priority to defeat our primary enemy - the Western white supremacist colonial/capitalist patriarchy. For us everything else represents secondary contradictions at this specific historical moment. And is why we reject the arguments these forces advance about fighting dual imperialisms as anti-dialectical nonsense and a political cover.

History has demonstrated that it would be a complete disaster if the "collective West" secured a military victory in its proxy war with Russia. For the U.S. empire it would validate their doctrine of "Full spectrum dominance" and the wisdom of their commitment to a military-first strategy to support that doctrine. It would mean that war with China was a certainty.

The commitment to global hegemony by the Western colonial/capitalist elite by any means necessary is why the U.S./EU/NATO Axis of Domination represents an existential threat to the vast majority of humanity. A "left" position on Ukraine should at best be to support a negotiated settlement to end the war before the Dr. Strangeloves making policy in the U.S. create the circumstances that will lead to a nuclear confrontation with either Russia or China.

The position of support for more war guided by the white-boy fantasy of military victory in Ukraine is madness. For Africans/Black folks, we ask, what self-respecting African would consciously place themselves on the same side with NATO, Europe, and the U.S. settler-state in any conflict? The fact that some continue to end up on the same side with our enemies only affirms that they have made a choice, and that choice is to collaborate with our enemies � which sadly, also makes them the enemy.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:29

Futanari Damacy: Oct 30, 2021; by sebmojo

It's her village, she's supposed to be there!

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:34

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

mawarannahr posted:

https://blackagendareport.com/ukrainian-solidarity-network-highest-stage-white-western-social-imperialism

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:35

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

Mister Bates posted:

Jack Thompson, after years of borderline-criminal or outright-criminal behavior, finally got disbarred for (among other things) faxing a judge hundreds of pages of gay pornography as part of his argument that the Florida Bar was unconstitutional due to being insufficiently homophobic, so I guess the threshold is 'you have to irritate enough powerful judges'

He also has a conviction for insulting the cop who had investigated him for the restraining order. He cost the police budgets something like $16 million the year he ran for parliament, because they had to provide security for his numerous book burnings. These are the same cops who regularly reject leftists' applications for protest routes and disperse them at the drop of a hat. Gotta let the 4chan golem do his thing, though.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 21:55

Isentropy: Dec 12, 2010

Frosted Flake posted:

If you want to read some absolute sicko poo poo, The Ukrainian Insurgent Army: A History of Ukraine’s Unvanquished Freedom Fighters is illuminating.

For example, here's how it refers to Babi Yar: "The OUN stood its ground and was even able to launch a massive anti-Soviet uprising in the first days of the German-Soviet war."

And the massacre of Jews and Poles in Ukraine: The expansion of the UPA took place against the background of perpetual con- frontations with enemy forces on three fronts: anti- German (fighting the agencies of the government of occupation), anti-Soviet (fighting Red partisans), and anti-Polish (fighting Polish underground units that considered Western Ukraine part of the Polish state). Nonetheless, the Ukrainian insurgents suc- ceeded in liberating substantial territories from the various occupying forces, and Ukrainian govern- ments were installed in these so-called insurgent re- publics.

There's way more but what kills me is how many of these talking points have passed seamlessly into the mainstream Canadian press.

I just realized Freeland is Michael Ignatieff Remix. Oh no.

E: the liberals ran this Ukranian nationalist candidate with no connection to any of the traditional liberal base straight out of the loving Kennedy School and triggered Harper's eternal reign

Isentropy has issued a correction as of 22:16 on Jan 21, 2023

# ? Jan 21, 2023 22:11

Shifty Nipples: Apr 8, 2007

Frosted Flake posted:

If you want to read some absolute sicko poo poo

I do not thanks

# ? Jan 21, 2023 22:11

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

The People of T�rkiye respond.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 22:13

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

SplitSoul posted:

The People of T�rkiye respond.

The perspective makes it look like the flag's growing out of the dude's forehead like he's a unicorn, it rules.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 22:17

Comrade Koba: Jul 2, 2007

SplitSoul posted:

The People of T�rkiye respond.

based af

# ? Jan 21, 2023 22:19

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

supersnowman posted:

They would also probably need the ship to already be in the black sea because I don't think Turkey would let it go through.

Somebody in this thread I believe mentioned that the nazis shipped subs into the black sea by river and an overland transit.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 22:24

Majorian: Jul 1, 2009

Weka posted:

Somebody in this thread I believe mentioned that the nazis shipped subs into the black sea by river and an overland transit.

Yup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30th_U-boat_Flotilla

# ? Jan 21, 2023 22:38

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Isentropy posted:

I just realized Freeland is Michael Ignatieff Remix. Oh no.

E: the liberals ran this Ukranian nationalist candidate with no connection to any of the traditional liberal base straight out of the loving Kennedy School and triggered Harper's eternal reign

Canadian politics rule. Even moreso if you look into the �Honourable Minister from CSIS� stuff.

She�s also weird and off-putting to normal people.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 22:40

Ansar Santa: Jul 12, 2012

Dundarious Redripulin would have been in Kiev by day 2, but Dundarious Redripulin wouldn't have invaded in the first place

# ? Jan 21, 2023 23:05

Organ Fiend: May 21, 2007; custom title

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/Olga838591/status/1607496250542153729?s=20

Good

I'm glad

# ? Jan 21, 2023 23:15

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

I feel like I�m losing my mind but Boston Pizza has an appetizer called Bandera Bread.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 23:20

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mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Frosted Flake posted:

I feel like I�m losing my mind but Boston Pizza has an appetizer called Bandera Bread.

Wait 'til you find out the Spanish language has the word bandera in it!

La Bandera looks pretty good.

# ? Jan 21, 2023 23:26

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