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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
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87 | 21.53% |
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One of the biggest things I enjoy about the Soltzenichyn is how the KGB made a report that estimated his political damage would be very limited and that his prestige in the west will take a massive nosedive once they find out how big of an insane lying anti-semite he is and they were proven right.
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Jan 22, 2023 17:19
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Orange Devil posted:Some Finnish friends are convinced NATO will throw Turkey out and take Sweden and Finland instead if it comes to it, which is very funny to me. this is an incredible thing to think lmao
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Jan 22, 2023 17:22
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lobster shirt posted:this is an incredible thing to think lmao That would be quite a trade...
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Jan 22, 2023 17:24
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lobster shirt posted:this is an incredible thing to think lmao there is a majority among NATO supporters who seriously think it will happen because everyone is getting just so annoyed at erdogan...
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Jan 22, 2023 17:27
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in finland specifically the usual suspects have spent decades lying about how we have some kind of "nato option" that we can cash in to join at any time, and now that it didn't happen as promised people unsurprisingly choose to blame the swarthy guy from down south instead of the dipshits that made up all that horseshit
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Jan 22, 2023 17:37
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lollontee posted:there is a majority among NATO supporters who seriously think it will happen because everyone is getting just so annoyed at erdogan... it's nice being a materialist, looking at the respective army sizes, and going "well..."
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Jan 22, 2023 17:43
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I mean what would you rather have. Control over Bosporus or Sweden? I think the choice is obvious.
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Jan 22, 2023 17:48
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i dunno, there are the strategic surströmming reserves to consider
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Jan 22, 2023 17:52
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Cerebral Bore posted:i dunno, there are the strategic surströmming reserves to consider The nefarious Swede maintains large stockpiles in direct contravention of the Hague Conventions.
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Jan 22, 2023 18:00
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Al-Saqr posted:One of the biggest things I enjoy about the Soltzenichyn is how the KGB made a report that estimated his political damage would be very limited and that his prestige in the west will take a massive nosedive once they find out how big of an insane lying anti-semite he is and they were proven right. how did the kgb manage to be so naive about this
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Jan 22, 2023 18:35
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CODChimera posted:i want to see mark and jeremy argue about ukraine and after they're done super hans shows up with his new girlfriend from the donbas
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Jan 22, 2023 18:38
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Doktor Avalanche posted:how did the kgb manage to be so naive about this They kept thinking their reports of "The West is a bunch of bloodthirsty inhumane monsters who will believe anything that supports their hunger" were their own propaganda and were worried about huffing their own supply.
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Jan 22, 2023 18:54
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Orange Devil posted:Some Finnish friends are convinced NATO will throw Turkey out and take Sweden and Finland instead if it comes to it, which is very funny to me. lol
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Jan 22, 2023 19:02
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Orange Devil posted:Some Finnish friends are convinced NATO will throw Turkey out and take Sweden and Finland instead if it comes to it, which is very funny to me. lmfao
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Jan 22, 2023 19:03
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I hope they do TBH
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Jan 22, 2023 19:05
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Aren't you tankies all in agreement that the West is deeply into huffing its own propaganda and copium? If so, wouldn't it be possible that they actually do try to replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden?
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Jan 22, 2023 19:10
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fizzy posted:Aren't you tankies all in agreement that the West is deeply into huffing its own propaganda and copium? If so, wouldn't it be possible that they actually do try to replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden? I think that mixes up who does the huffing and who does the farting.
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Jan 22, 2023 19:11
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fizzy posted:Aren't you tankies all in agreement that the West is deeply into huffing its own propaganda and copium? If so, wouldn't it be possible that they actually do try to replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden? The population is huffing it's own supply but I assume some decision makers will use it's brain and understand the strategic location of Turkey is more important than Finland and Sweden.
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Jan 22, 2023 19:13
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fizzy posted:Aren't you tankies all in agreement that the West is deeply into huffing its own propaganda and copium? If so, wouldn't it be possible that they actually do try to replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden? i was going to write that i'm like trying to explain that no, NATO does not care more about a freedom loving and peaceful republic of 5.7 million people, when compared to the vile turk with her 86 million people and army to match
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Jan 22, 2023 19:17
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paul_soccer12 posted:GBS currently circlejerking to a video of a russian journalist losing her leg from a shrapnel wound Ghoulish, Brainless Simpletons https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1612500721051762689
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Jan 22, 2023 19:19
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fizzy posted:Aren't you tankies all in agreement that the West is deeply into huffing its own propaganda and copium? If so, wouldn't it be possible that they actually do try to replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden? I guess the question is to what degree, because fully alienating Turkey would be a massive L for the West as a whole. Yeah you would cut off the Turkish from Western weapon systems but Turkey already has a pretty large defense industry (and honestly probably could still get Israeli weapons when it gets down to it). That said, I think pushing Sweden/Finland in was not the greatest idea from the start especially since it doesn't seem the US really checked if Ankara was on board especially since Erdogan clearly still blames the US in part for the attempted coup. The West obviously has leverage on them, but allowing Erdogan to tap into Turkish nationalism I think would be a big mistake. lollontee posted:i was going to write that i'm like trying to explain that no, NATO does not care more about a freedom loving and peaceful republic of 5.7 million people, when compared to the vile turk with her 86 million people and army to match Granted, the US would only do that unless some type of bizarre Finland missile base strategy is their only card since that is really the only reason you would need Finland (and get Sweden on the side). Otherwise, the Finnish military even if it was part of NATO probably would stay small and defensive. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:31 on Jan 22, 2023 |
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Jan 22, 2023 19:22
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^^^ turkey is the one who has the leverage in this situation, that was the whole point of the attempted coupfizzy posted:Aren't you tankies all in agreement that the West is deeply into huffing its own propaganda and copium? If so, wouldn't it be possible that they actually do try to replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden? Lol
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Jan 22, 2023 19:22
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maybe the west could try alienating turkey, as a strategy. i think there is somemerit to this idea, like everything that NATO would lose
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Jan 22, 2023 19:27
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Slavvy posted:^^^ turkey is the one who has the leverage in this situation, that was the whole point of the attempted coup Granted, I legitimately don't think it was US planned but they probably knew about it. One thing the only coup seemed to be pretty weakly supported and coordinated, with only a couple units fully apart of it. It is more of a Erdogan knows the US knew and they are never going to hand over Gulen, (and Sweden doesn't want to give over those Kurds) so he is going get even. Currently, congress is trying to use F-16s as leverage while selling F-35s to Greece (a country obviously with endless money to spend), but it certainly has the potential to backfire since the US is obviously favoring one over the other. Turkey does need new fighters as they using older F-16s, but they are theoretically working on at least 2 of their own. There is also the question of how does Turkey want to be tied to the US at this point. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:32 on Jan 22, 2023 |
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Jan 22, 2023 19:30
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Ardennes posted:Currently, congress is trying to use F-16s as leverage while selling F-35s to Greece (a country obviously with endless money to spend), but it certainly has the potential to backfire since the US is obviously favoring one over the other. Turkey does need new fighters as they using older F-16s, but they are theoretically working on at least 2 of their own. There is also the question of how does Turkey want to be tied to the US at this point. Sukhoi: Checkmate. All according to Keikaku.
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Jan 22, 2023 19:48
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fizzy posted:Aren't you tankies all in agreement that the West is deeply into huffing its own propaganda and copium? If so, wouldn't it be possible that they actually do try to replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden? Why on earth would the U.S. give swedes and finns any concessions. where they gonna go? what they gonna do? got them on a leash
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Jan 22, 2023 20:04
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lollontee posted:maybe the west could try alienating turkey, as a strategy. i think there is somemerit to this idea, like everything that NATO would lose this
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Jan 22, 2023 20:05
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the united states, high on copium, retaking constantinople
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Jan 22, 2023 20:06
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Homeless Friend posted:Why on earth would the U.S. give swedes and finns any concessions. where they gonna go? what they gonna do? got them on a leash ☝️
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Jan 22, 2023 20:07
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*starts a post with 'you tankies'* this'll get em while saying nothing about me at all
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Jan 22, 2023 20:10
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Homeless Friend posted:Why on earth would the U.S. give swedes and finns any concessions. where they gonna go? what they gonna do? got them on a leash 
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Jan 22, 2023 20:10
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just give sweden and finland nukes. so simple.
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Jan 22, 2023 20:15
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lumpentroll posted:just give sweden and finland nukes. so simple. At least for Canada the US has in the past given possession and authorization to use nukes, not sure which other countries have had similar agreements but I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't already secretly had such at the height of the Cold War
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Jan 22, 2023 20:19
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lumpentroll posted:just give sweden and finland nukes. so simple. bing bong boom
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Jan 22, 2023 20:20
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Even with the rosiest numbers Finland + Sweden would make up a smaller budget, smaller army, in a less important geopolitical location; Finland and Sweden's entire ocean-facing border is consumed by Norway, who is already a NATO member, while Turkey overseas the length of the Black Sea and shadows Syrian ports. There's no benefit to swapping Turkey for Swedland were that even possible, besides a more confident paper bag rating.
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Jan 22, 2023 20:20
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lol that this was ever a thing- IIRC designed expressly for use in a European theater of war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goMNAxFqGbk&t=37s
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Jan 22, 2023 20:21
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fizzy posted:Aren't you tankies all in agreement that the West is deeply into huffing its own propaganda and copium? If so, wouldn't it be possible that they actually do try to replace Turkey with Finland and Sweden? Turkey is actually important.
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Jan 22, 2023 20:23
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Homeless Friend posted:Why on earth would the U.S. give swedes and finns any concessions. where they gonna go? what they gonna do? got them on a leash if i thought it was deliberate i'd have to give nato some credit for bullshitting the swedes and finns into this position
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Jan 22, 2023 20:26
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Nobody wants to say it but the only way in for Sweden and Finland is full EU membership for Türkiye 
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Jan 22, 2023 20:26
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Neurolimal posted:Even with the rosiest numbers Finland + Sweden would make up a smaller budget, smaller army, in a less important geopolitical location; Finland and Sweden's entire ocean-facing border is consumed by Norway, who is already a NATO member, while Turkey overseas the length of the Black Sea and shadows Syrian ports. Sweden and Finland are ruled by people dumb enough that they think picking a fight with Russia right now is good idea, while even Erdogan has figured that one out.
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