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I would say go 3*s at some point - but jumping straight into 4*s sounds like it's written by someone who is completely ignoring how much time each of those runs takes and is purely thinking about minimum number of runs.
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With the caveat that I started literal years ago here was my (rough) progression path: 0* MAD to plasmid softcap (250) - 0-3* Bioseeds and plasmid spending over new (phage+250) softcap (never go below this again) - 3* BH to Antimatter - 0* MAD to buying Bleed - 4* MADs and Bioseeds, focusing on perk achievement progression to 3k APlasmids - 4* BH to Heavy - 4* MADs to finish Mass Extinction and 4* Bioseeds to finish those perks. That was specifically for setting up 4* achievement hunting. If you decide to skip 4* and just do 3* max then cutting out the Antimatter part is fine and just going straight to heavy. At the end of the day you're only missing out on some mastery and a shiny gold star but having plasmid bonuses far outweighs the loss. Rynoto fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jan 22, 2023 |
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Speaking of blackhole resets, just finished my first one in my new save. Stats: 17 MAD resets (2 gold star incl Valdi), 3 bioseed resets. All 0 star so far except for those 2. I let it idle during the soul stone collection phase for a few days. Also are you mocking me, game?  (I've already 0 starred 1 volcano race and gold starred the other)
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Just reset to before the BH and wait for a random event to happen. You can BH again after for different planet choices.
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or just play carnivores on one of those planets. they hunt, they don't farm, and thus don't care about the slight farming penalty. you gotta bioseed everyone eventually for that sweet sweet mastery and there's more species-groups than planet types
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How do I make titanium? The Hunter Process looks like the only research that does it and it requires titanium to learn.
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Jan 23, 2023 01:42
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Salvor_Hardin posted:How do I make titanium? The Hunter Process looks like the only research that does it and it requires titanium to learn. You get your first titanium from trade. It'll be your primary source for a while.
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This runs counter to my isolationist socialist roleplaying. (thanks, that makes sense)
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I made the mistake of starting DodecaDragons but with the fourth layer of sigils I'm noping out. not my favorite game design where the ideal way to play at various stages of the game is by setting an autoclicker to boop something every three seconds Maybe I'll just play Evolve so I can finally decipher all the 4** Space Hell runs all y'all are talking about. I played through originally up to plasmids and have been hesitant to jump back in because it sounds like the various endgames are a little drawn out and tedious
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Sivart13 posted:Maybe I'll just play Evolve so I can finally decipher all the 4** Space Hell runs all y'all are talking about. I played through originally up to plasmids and have been hesitant to jump back in because it sounds like the various endgames are a little drawn out and tedious It's a very slow burn game. For actual content I've been enjoying: Unnamed Space Idle has been surprisingly fun despite the name. Decent amount of systems to interact with and very idle friendly, especially with upgrades you can get from doing achievements. Rynoto fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jan 23, 2023 |
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i just constructed a world collider for the first time ever. i was doing 1* runs but then did 0* for my first post-bioseed game bc idk i had been using the 'crappy dna' challenge gene but didnt notice it also fucks over the cost creep reduction crispr unlocks. I wanted to get a little further this time. my guys are wendigos who are kinda neat although I have no idea what is going on with how their food works, but they don't seem to be starving so whatever. I got the Doomed achievement so hopefully I can bioseed to hell planets now and become Demons
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Wendigos are assholes and will eat their normal ration plus a percentage of your food stockpile.
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I know people say that antimatter universe isn't great but the bonus you get from anti plasmids post bleeding effect make them actually really nice for 4* runs
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I am getting to the part in Perfect Tower where you need to do advanced scripting and such to meaningfully progress and this might be a wall
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I am getting to the part in Perfect Tower where you need to do advanced scripting and such to meaningfully progress and this might be a wall You can go and grab that from the discord, but that's about the point I decided it wasn't worth playing if I couldn't manage to play it myself.
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Grapplejack posted:I know people say that antimatter universe isn't great but the bonus you get from anti plasmids post bleeding effect make them actually really nice for 4* runs Yeah, the best time to AM is right at the beginning before you have mastery so it stacks nicely onto 4* rushes to get 3k early and gtfo. AM late game is hell torture and one I won't do until every other universe is fully gold starred.
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Jhet posted:You can go and grab that from the discord, but that's about the point I decided it wasn't worth playing if I couldn't manage to play it myself. Yeah I may check that out, there's some wiki stuff that's been helpful too. Any chance you remember how to import/export blueprint codes? I see people post them but I don't know how to input them or create my own.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Yeah I may check that out, there's some wiki stuff that's been helpful too. Any chance you remember how to import/export blueprint codes? I see people post them but I don't know how to input them or create my own. You click on the name on the top of the module list on the left to open up into blueprints. It's not at all obvious.
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Rynoto posted:It's a very slow burn game. I think I like this a lot, actually! Very NGU inspired, obviously, but it has enough systems that are different that it feels like a much different game. I particularly like that you can slot every piece of equipment into multiple slots and get different bonuses for doing so. The fact that prestiging is customizing a new starship also lights up my brain neurons like nothing else. Also, funnily enough, the dude definitely played NGU Industries because it's got the same "infinite a resource after making enough of it" system.
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Jhet posted:You click on the name on the top of the module list on the left to open up into blueprints. It's not at all obvious. Thanksmuch
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Been tooling about with the Jacorb games set that was mentioned a bit ago, that has the metagame based on progression in all the other idlers, and I gotta forewarn anyone interested in trying it out, the quality of the different games varies a lot in spite of how broadly similar most of them are, and quite a lot of them present some kind of hard wall or gotcha at some point that's miserable to work around. Several of the games also offer little or no off-line idle progression, as well, which is kind of a bummer if you wanted to bounce between them at all. Vantablack and The Formula were kind of neat with their little gimmicks, and were, you know, completable. Distance Incremental was slow to start, got progressively more weird and interesting, and now I'm stalled out again. I've put a few hours into The Factory of Automation and have literally 0 metaprogress, it might be one of the most linear timesink games of the lot and is, apparently, quite a long timesink at that. I hate Rapture 30 so far, but maybe it gets better after the trial and error upgrades phase near the beginning? Nu Prestige Tree isn't too bad, with the in-game guide, except that there's several places where it's an absolute slog of repetitious grinding even with the guide's help, and I resorted to an autoclicker at points to help get through, which always feels like a failure to me in idle game design. Prestige Tree Classic is loving miserable hot garbage. Overall, interesting concept, some of the games are fun, but the balance is all over the loving place and I'm losing patience with the several games I'm starting to stall out in, or which require way too much repetitious clicking.
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ive finally become demons in evolve idle i got to the point of starting to build a stellar engine but it was gonna take like a week at the rate i had, and the next tech for me was like a full 50% more science than i had. i wanted to do a black hole reset but i think i needed more crispr upgrades to make it viable i did a bunch of hell stuff, but could never figure out how to progress it beyond like what i assume is the first part. i had 10 surveyors and a hundred soldiers and a bunch of plasma turrets and predator drones and basic mechs, i thought the like 'hell mapping' tech (forget the exact name) would let me get to the next thing but it just buffed the survey drones. so i ended up bioseeding again. its only my second bioseed so i guess i should probably do a few before i try for black holes, like i did with MAD resets before bioseed. i picked a hellscape planet and became balrogs but im not sure whether to pick fanaticism or anthropology. my previous races were wendigo, troll, then ogre (idk if it goes back to the third one) which i feel like might be redundant traits to inherit for balrogs.
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There's only one part of Hell in a blackhole reset (you're only there to slowly accumulate soul gems and infernite). More Hell is later.
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Hell is, as mentioned, very limited until post-ascension as you're only there to run patrols for soul gems and mine infernite. Even in a full hell run there's not that much more to build and is mostly based around Mech building for the spire
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you probably want like, ten bioseeds before seeing about going for the black hole, and you only really poke your head into hell initially for the black hole. as mentioned by others, the further hell stuff is even further on i only black-hole-resetted once i did all the normal achievements to my desired standard. this was entirely the wrong way to do it for mastery rewards, because other universe achievments also trigger the normal universe ones. but whatever it got me a lot of plasmids
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Is there a way to make Evolve playable on mobile? The resource table is in my bottom left corner, truncated after a couple lines and I can't see the most of it. Tried switching between mobile and desktop mode but that did nothing (android).
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Just noticed I got a couple plasmids and genes as well as an option to mutate. Should I jam that now or wait?
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Just noticed I got a couple plasmids and genes as well as an option to mutate. Should I jam that now or wait? Genes spent on upgrading minor traits are for that run only and will reset with your prestige while Phage spent on traits are permanent and worth double. Content and Tactical are the two most useful traits by far with Ambidextrous also being good later for 4*. At the beginning though until you've spent phage to make minor traits permanent you'll get them at random each run from the mutations so just spend your genes on whatever sounds useful. Mutation does cost knowledge per second so it would be worth turning off if it would take too long early on - the cost becomes insignificant later. Rynoto fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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Rynoto posted:Genes spent on upgrading minor traits are for that run only and will reset with your prestige while Phage spent on traits are permanent and worth double. Content and Tactical are the two most useful traits by far with Ambidextrous also being good later for 4*. At the beginning though until you've spent phage to make minor traits permanent you'll get them at random each run from the mutations so just spend your genes on whatever sounds useful. Mutation does cost knowledge per second so it would be worth turning off if it would take too long early on - the cost becomes insignificant later. OK, I think that mostly makes sense. I couldn't tell if the mutate option was a prestige or not.
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Ten bioseeds is a little much imo to stock for a blackhole. As I mentioned above I did it after 2 and by no means did it take an incredible amount of time, but I did let it idle overnight a few days for the soul gem and mass ejection.
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Salvor_Hardin posted:OK, I think that mostly makes sense. I couldn't tell if the mutate option was a prestige or not. The prestiges are all clearly marked with big warning red text and multiple confirmation steps and tell you exactly what you'll receive. You'll know the first one when you see it. Rynoto fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Been tooling about with the Jacorb games set that was mentioned a bit ago, that has the metagame based on progression in all the other idlers, and I gotta forewarn anyone interested in trying it out, the quality of the different games varies a lot in spite of how broadly similar most of them are, and quite a lot of them present some kind of hard wall or gotcha at some point that's miserable to work around. Several of the games also offer little or no off-line idle progression, as well, which is kind of a bummer if you wanted to bounce between them at all. The only one I'm having issues with is the Factory of Automation. I'm sitting in Pearl and it just kind of stopped. I think I've tried every combination of Milestone superchargered, but it just doesn't seem to be moving anymore. It's also given 0 metaprogress still, so idk. I know it goes a ways further from the patch notes, but I don't know if I can be bothered to finish it. There's not much input necessary as far as I can tell. Prestige Tree Classic also gets a little grindy about layer 7, but it should still be possible? It slowed down a lot and I kind of just want to skip ahead. It's not super which is why I suppose they did a second edition.
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omeg posted:Is there a way to make Evolve playable on mobile? The resource table is in my bottom left corner, truncated after a couple lines and I can't see the most of it. Tried switching between mobile and desktop mode but that did nothing (android). I couldn’t figure it out so I play Theresmore instead on mobile.
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The correct answer is chrome Remote Desktop to where you have it running at home.
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Rynoto posted:The prestiges are all clearly marked with big warning red text and multiple confirmation steps and tell you exactly what you'll receive. Pretty sure I got it. Is it correct to bombs away or is there a plasmid count I should target? Progression is getting pretty plodding.
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Nah just drop those bombs whenever you want. Plasmids soft-cap at 250 so that's your general target for a slush fund, then you start spending the extras in CRISPR for more permanent bonuses.
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Ghostlight posted:Nah just drop those bombs whenever you want. Plasmids soft-cap at 250 so that's your general target for a slush fund, then you start spending the extras in CRISPR for more permanent bonuses. Just to make sure I understand, is there any benefit to doing, say, some of the ARPA projects beforehand? Or any other milestones before doing it?
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MAD resets scale with population alone, which includes soldiers IIRC. SO you want to make sure you have all your soldiers alive and as much housing/barracks built as possible, but don't really try to stay in a run to maximize that as it doesn't scale THAT well.
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Nah, the ARPA projects are mostly just for scaling yourself past some storage/knowledge blocks and won't contribute much while you're still in the MAD phase. You're literally blowing everything up so building anything isn't worth it unless you can churn out cheap housing. Once you unlock Mastery through CRISPR then you can start looking at achievements as milestones, but pushing past MAD to 'kind of' get in space really isn't worth it until the runs start speeding up.
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Ghostlight posted:Nah, the ARPA projects are mostly just for scaling yourself past some storage/knowledge blocks and won't contribute much while you're still in the MAD phase. You're literally blowing everything up so building anything isn't worth it unless you can churn out cheap housing. Once you unlock Mastery through CRISPR then you can start looking at achievements as milestones, but pushing past MAD to 'kind of' get in space really isn't worth it until the runs start speeding up. I did have CRISPR but not enough plasmids to do anything. So yeah, I blew it up, got 97 plasmids, and will roll plants this time. So getting the global plasmid bonus + crispr upgrades is the perma-bonus loop-by-loop then?
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