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JBP posted:How's the Dorn tank looking for the points and stats anyway? I think it looks really cool and the pics of it mixed in with all the new guard are great. Basically it's 1.5 leman russes in lots of ways. Examples: Leman Russ - 170 points (lascannon, 2x heavy bolters + armoured tacks) / Rogal Dorn (armoured tacks) - 255 points (50% more points) Leman Russ - T8, 2+ save, 13 wounds / Rogal Dorn - T9, 2+ save, 19 wounds (46% more wounds, but T9 means S8 wounds on 5+ and S<5 wounds on 6s) Leman Russ Battle Cannon - D6+3 shots, S8, -2AP, 3D + Single Lascannon / Rogal Dorn Oppressor Cannon - D6+3 shots, S10, -3AP, 4D + Pulveriser Cannon D6, S8, -2AP, 3D With the Ark of Omens detachments you don't have to worry about running out of slots for anything, so your choice is: 3 Rogal Dorn tanks = 765 points vs 4.5 Leman Russes so lets say 3 Leman Russes + a Tank Commander. Bear in mind in the above example you'd probably run the plasma executioner russ with easy access to RR1s making: Leman russ = 4D6+12 S8 -4AP 3D shots + 4 lascannon shots vs Rogal dorn = 3D6+9 S10, -3AP, 4D shots + 3d6, S8, -2AP 3D shots Neither has unique stratagems that only work on them, but some strats cost more on a Rogal Dorn (e.g. -1D for a phase is 2CP on a russ and 3CP on a dorn). My 2K list has 4 Leman Russ Plasma Executioners (D6+12 S8 -4AP 3D shots + 4 lascannon shots) plus a tank commander with Gatekeeper (D3+6 shots, S9, -3AP, 3D plus Lascannon). Total cost is 860 points which I could swap out for three Rogal Dorns and make one of them effectively a tank commander with some points to spare (795 points). Having similar output spread over 5 vehicles though is a pro and a con in lots of ways, with how deadly 9th is though I personally see more value in being able to be more flexible with how many tanks you expose to return fire/charges worth more than any of the synergies from having less tanks.
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My list has three leman russes and I think I’d prefer two rogal dorns instead. It’s mostly the t9, but also the rogal dorn guns seem more efficient to me. Obviously you have more points tied up in fewer models, which can be a weakness, but it’s not like knights or bringing a baneblade. It feels a bit better to put extra guns on it too, because it’s individually more defensive. With the oppressor gun and the extra stubbers and heavy bolters it deals incredibly well with both big things and hordes. Wounds/points it’s also one of the harder things to kill in the game (outside super heavies or things with wound limits or other wacky stuff) so you kinda want your opponent to be attacking it for efficiency reasons. It’s mainly the t9 for me though, melta, multi-melta, eradicators, fusion guns etc. all wounding on 5+ instead of 4+ is a pretty big deal.
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Improbable Lobster posted:In my experience cutting new moulds is by far the most expensive part of any process that uses them. GW cheaping out a little on em isn't really unexpected but is disappointing Why is that?
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wins32767 posted:Why is that? They're big honking pieces of steel that need to be cut with extreme precision, they need to last for decades and they're usually pretty loving big. I used to work in printing and thermoplastic (think red plastic party cups, plastic with printed labels, etc) and the moulds were easily the one of the most expensive thing in the building Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jan 23, 2023 |
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They're T9, you can give them the officer keyword and they can order themselves if you do so. They're 17 wounds so still can benefit from cover. They're mean as hell, I'm not in love with the model but that's ok. I'm running 5 Russ - 1TC with gatekeeper, one vanquisher without sponsors to snipe from the backfield, and three plasma executioners. A Dorn will fit in nicely with them. The eye watering shooting phase for my opponents is about to get much worse.
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I love those invictor scouts, holy crap. Do NOT want a Guard army but I would love a Guard army.
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Ngl that invictor dreadnought looks really good, definitely a nice complement if i ever get an invictor kill team down the line
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Does anyone have a Wraithlord that could measure for me? I've got the old metal kit, and I'd like to at least try and put it on the correct sized base, and maybe put it on top of a rock for funzies.
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Failson posted:Does anyone have a Wraithlord that could measure for me? I have a wraithlord, lmk what measurements you'd like and I should be able to get them all tomorrow. I think however the GW site should have the base size listed.
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Are there any third party makers of alternate bits for Baneblades? I was trawling a local hobby store's page the other day and realized a 1:35 model of a Japanese O-I super tank has almost the same proportions as a Baneblade and ever has an over-the-top number of turrets, and it's like thirty bucks cheaper than an actual baneblade model—but it's missing a Baneblade's sponsons. What would be a good source for Baneblade-ish sponson bits?
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Failson posted:Does anyone have a Wraithlord that could measure for me? https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/aeldari/Wraithlord 60mm
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I only played it twice, but boarding action is really good. I think they’ve finally nailed a good ‘introduction to 40k’ game, where you don’t have to learn a completely different ruleset, which doesn’t get points/rules updated, or get the new cool models added to it until years later. Also nailed a pretty good kitchen table game, that you can actually play in an hour or less. The only bad thing is the incredibly expensive, tedious to assemble, worse to paint, necessary terrain. I feel like you can just sorta eyeball it with normal terrain, it doesn’t have to be the exact same layout for it to work just fine. e: vvv fair enough, I'm relaying my friends opinion as far as painting goes. I still think it's very overpriced 
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Revelation 2-13 posted:The only bad thing is the incredibly expensive, tedious to assemble, worse to paint, necessary terrain. As a kill team into the dark player i feel it is my duty to point put the fact that you are super wrong and the gallowdark terrain is awesome and im having a blast painting it. Im glad boarding action seems approachable and fun, will look into it in the future
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if you spend an hour with a fairly coarse file and the ITD terrain fits together really well. the tolerances where pieces fit together are really low but it genuinely is a great terrain set. You can also just get away with a black undercoat, zenithal spray in preferred colour, quick dry brush. pick out a few details (skulls, pipes, a couple of metal details), give them a wash then apply some rust then paint lights and screens and you get some great results. I got a whole set assembled and painted in 3 evenings of painting and have started working on my second set. you can really put in as little effort for a great effect or go whole hog and pick out every little detail. 
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Big Willy Style posted:if you spend an hour with a fairly coarse file and the ITD terrain fits together really well. the tolerances where pieces fit together are really low but it genuinely is a great terrain set. Nice dude this looks great! Here is my set so far:-   
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ITD crew checking in, I finished base colours and started varnishing before oil washing it later, but first it's going to the start of a necromunda campaign tonight.  I have no idea how I would have done it in 3 nights though even if I went at it like a full time job. Well done to you!
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Tiocfaidh Yar Ma posted:ITD crew checking in, I finished base colours and started varnishing before oil washing it later, but first it's going to the start of a necromunda campaign tonight. WOW this is clean as hell great work!
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I cannot wait to see these hallways all together, you guys paint really nice terrain. I’ll try to remember to take pictures of the stuff I’ve been printing for our Killteam games, but it is nowhere near as cool as those pics
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I am going to play Switzerland and say I like the Gallowdark terrain a lot but its also a pain in the arse to paint as its just boring and fiddly if you want to pick out the details. I like how my walls look, I just struggle to find the motivation to paint the other what feels like 100 pieces of terrain! 
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Thank you! I dont often take pics of stuff but I started to do it when I started oil washing because it's scary to slop paint over a couple weeks work. Hopefully the grime comes out as nice as the clean look!
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/23/las-vegas-open-2023-tune-in-for-another-monster-online-preview/ So those Arbites rumors may just hold some merit to them...
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In the grim dark far future they do a cute stylised K9 on dogs
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/23/las-vegas-open-2023-tune-in-for-another-monster-online-preview/ The new Doctor Who series is looking very grimdark
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xtothez posted:The new Doctor Who series is looking very grimdark grim bark
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/23/las-vegas-open-2023-tune-in-for-another-monster-online-preview/ I've always wanted to be able to do a Cadian Blood themed army and I get dissapointed that I wouldn't have a cyber mastiff to go with the Captain, maybe I will now...
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/23/las-vegas-open-2023-tune-in-for-another-monster-online-preview/ Cyberdog confirmed, hell yes maybe the arbites will be good after all! And its a scooby doo dog too!
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Professor Shark posted:Those IG Avatar style suits rock Can't stop thinking about making a little catachan squad with one as the centre piece model, just for fun.
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acab so gently caress the arbites and their dogAl-Saqr posted:As a kill team into the dark player i feel it is my duty to point put the fact that you are super wrong and the gallowdark terrain is awesome and im having a blast painting it. Also as a kill team player, i can say wholeheartedly, youre wrong. Getting into all those tiny holes, especially at the top around the light wires, can eat my rear end.
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Just paint the bits in the holes first, and then dont make any mistakes whatsoever. Bing bong simple.
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Tiocfaidh Yar Ma posted:Just paint the bits in the holes first, and then dont make any mistakes whatsoever. Bing bong simple. Getting into them is a brush killer, for me
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that's why you trashy synthetics meant for children on those sections where you're going to be sloppy
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/23/angron-cant-be-banished-find-out-why-in-new-lore-from-codex-world-eaters/ Cool little lore snippet about Angron and the World Eaters, but lol that they describe a bunch of cool sounding World Eater variants when the codex has like, three units in it and they're all melee.
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My Spirit Otter posted:acab so gently caress the arbites and their dog Some men see a mountain and complain, others, like me, climb the mountain and die of hypothermia and lack of oxygen.
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Angron Article posted:If you’re still valiant enough to square up against the Daemon Primarch despite all that, you’ll have Spinegrinder and Samni’arius to contend with.
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Huh, what happened to Gorefather and Gorechild then? I know Khârn got one of the axes but I don't know what happened to the other
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Kitchner posted:Not going to lie, beating a Daemon do hard that you physically beat it into the shape of a sword and then use that new sword shaped daemon and a sword is pretty cool. It's absolutely the kind of dumb poo poo we're all here for.
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Count Thrashula posted:Huh, what happened to Gorefather and Gorechild then? I know Khârn got one of the axes but I don't know what happened to the other Kharn has Gorechild and Gorefather is a relic for generic Lords in the WE index.
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Kitchner posted:Kharn has Gorechild and Gorefather is a relic for generic Lords in the WE index. Well that answers that. Thanks!
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