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pentyne posted:The Verge review is semi-positive about the game as an idea but even makes it seem like they ended up rushing Forspoken out the door, just a insanely detailed and complex combat system that boils down to "run in circle, spam the element enemy is weak to" and the last 'boss' is basically just a playable cutscene. Alfre turns to the camera and says she's a communist, and that she's the exact kind of communist I am
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That makes me wonder. Are there any good games where the player character is an explicit target of racism or other kind of discrimination? Preferably in the way that actually affects gameplay, because I'll be honest, nobody NPCs in Skyrim occasionally yelling weak-sauce made-up slurs at you doesn't make me feel anything. I know Arcanum is one of the games that actually exposes you to reasonably realistic racism if you play as a Gnome or an Orc. Merchants and Innkeepers will often rip you off and occasional quests will be more annoying to do because you won't be given as much leniency in the high society.
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forspoken being placed into the ballista and fired into the fields of the culture war the quartering, breadtube, a vtuber, and some guy with a boba fett helmet, all pause their fighting to look up as the shadow grows aroudn them
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The 7th Guest posted:forspoken being placed into the ballista and fired into the fields of the culture war
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Jack Trades posted:That makes me wonder.
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Jack Trades posted:That makes me wonder. Watch Dogs 2, in addition to being great, also feels like it was written by people with some experience of being black in America, or good consultants on the matter. It's been a bit since I replayed it so I can't recall how much it actually affects the gameplay, but the game feels genuine in a way GTA, for example, doesn't. Mafia 3 isn't quite as good, but the first time I walked into a whites only bar and heard "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING IN HERE BOY" was loving terrifying. It's the only game I've played that went "you're black in the south in the sixities and you're hated and that's how it is".
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repiv posted:the PC port is going to be something to behold Exciting times ahead. Also currently the top seller on Steam in Japan. And number 2 in Switzerland!
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Black Griffon posted:Watch Dogs 2, in addition to being great, also feels like it was written by people with some experience of being black in America, or good consultants on the matter. It's been a bit since I replayed it so I can't recall how much it actually affects the gameplay, but the game feels genuine in a way GTA, for example, doesn't. Watch Dogs 2 is really good and is one of the extremely few genuinely good games Ubisoft has put out but I don't remember race ever being brought up in that game in any context (besides, I guess, the intro where the black main character is being Minority Report-ed by the Skynet as being a future criminal) and I 100%ed that game and it's DLC. At least nothing that I noticed as white european myself.
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Cowcaster posted:for all the negative press blowing up about it, it looks like forspoken's sitting at #2 on steam's "top sellers" list. AAA Marketing budgets are higher than the development budget for a reason.
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Jack Trades posted:Watch Dogs 2 is really good and is one of the extremely few genuinely good games Ubisoft has put out but I don't remember race ever being brought up in that game in any context (besides, I guess, the intro where the black main character is being Minority Report-ed by the Skynet as being a future criminal) and I 100%ed that game and it's DLC.
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Re: Forsaken's place on the Steam Charts (it's fallen down to seventh place btw), it's the first "big game" of the year that I can think of and large titles like that pretty much always end up selling well by default.
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pentyne posted:The Verge review is semi-positive about the game as an idea but even makes it seem like they ended up rushing Forspoken out the door, just a insanely detailed and complex combat system that boils down to "run in circle, spam the element enemy is weak to" and the last 'boss' is basically just a playable cutscene. why are they complaining about missing polish, isnt that one of the preorder bonuses?
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Cowcaster posted:for all the negative press blowing up about it, it looks like forspoken's sitting at #2 on steam's "top sellers" list. We don't live in a meritocracy.
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You can tell Steam users are people of taste by the multiple threads in that game's forums about just how woke the game is
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Jack Trades posted:That makes me wonder. Life is Strange 2 goes super hard on racism against the Hispanic main character. Which is loving hilarious that they then go extremely soft and have literally 0 transphobic stuff for their trans main character game. Basically if you're a brown person you'll encounter hostile police who murder your father at the drop of a hat, can expect to get sucker punched in the head and chained to a radiator by a white shop owner who suspects you of stealing, and forced under threat of serious violence to demean yourself by denying your citizenship and saying you are an illegal. Also some white power militia folks will shoot a child with no hesistation. If you are trans in poo poo poor rural Alaska, everything is 100% cool no one even blinks and the one guy who accidentally makes references to your birth gender is immediately recalcitrant. pentyne fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jan 23, 2023 |
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kazil posted:You can tell Steam users are people of taste by the multiple threads in that game's forums about just how woke the game is avoid this tediousness and play dread templar in a few days 
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I finished the campaign of Dusk last night. I mostly enjoyed it. I stopped looking for secrets after the first few levels, and was really just pushing myself to finish the game despite being "over it" halfway through the 3rd episode. I can see people getting really into it but I prefer a boomer FPS with slow movement, I think. I've got all the other boomer shooters from the humble pack coming up, probably going to just play Elden Ring until Dread Templar gets 1.0 shortly here. Does it draw its main inspiration from Quake, also? I missed out on Quake as a kid, I only had wolfenstein and half life and a little bit of doom for pc shooters.
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Cowcaster posted:in other news pizza tower comes out this week, that snuck up on me Oh poo poo I'd completely forgotten. Can't believe it's finally happening.
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oh weird the new steamworld is a city builder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yf288cJwFM
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I said come in! posted:I really don't get the point the author of this review is trying to make here, or why any of this matters? You can't just put black people in games willy nilly!!!!
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RandomBlue posted:You can't just put black people in games willy nilly!!!! There's only so many of 'em and we don't want to waste them on storylines that aren't adequately Black enough
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You got one bunch of idiots yelling that black people existing is too woke and you've got the other bunch of idiots yelling that black people existing is not woke enough.
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He's chasing clout, my friends.
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It's one thing to just make a black character, and have them thrust into an adventure in a world absent of irl racism, it doesn't really matter but it's little more then ticking a box marked "representation". There's no goal to champion diversity or inclusion or any sense of being woke in the slightest. No one in management gives 2 shits about writing a black character with a black voice, they are perfectly fine just pressing a button for a palette swap and patting themselves on the back for solving the issue. Think it was Horizon Zero Dawn where some execs flipped out about the game because they didn't believe gamers would play a game with a female PC. Same thing happened with one of the AC's and they had to late stage shove in a male PC option or something.
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It's a double edged sword, because a character shouldn't have to justify being gay/black/woman/whatever, and it should be a totally unremarkable thing. On the other hand does it really count as 'representation' if it is a completely meaningless decision that doesn't play into anything? It's an actual argument and you can take it either direction without it really being 'wrong' to do so. Agent355 fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jan 23, 2023 |
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lotta discussion about representation and not enough discussion about hoW I'M TALKING TO A FREAKIN' CUFF?!
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Cowcaster posted:lotta discussion about representation and not enough discussion about hoW I'M TALKING TO A FREAKIN' CUFF?! I got that side effect from the boner pills too
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pentyne posted:It's one thing to just make a black character, and have them thrust into an adventure in a world absent of irl racism, it doesn't really matter but it's little more then ticking a box marked "representation". There's no goal to champion diversity or inclusion or any sense of being woke in the slightest. No one in management gives 2 shits about writing a black character with a black voice, they are perfectly fine just pressing a button for a palette swap and patting themselves on the back for solving the issue. I’m going to go out on a limb here with the suggestion that very few minorities that see themselves represented in a fantasy video game want that to carry the baggage of IRL racism. It may just be that ticking the box is what people have been asking for for decades, and re-exposing people to serious real world issues can be left for another game. It just seems like a completely synthetic remark by the twitter journalist class Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jan 23, 2023 |
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Agent355 posted:It's a double edged sword, because a character shouldn't have to justify being gay/black/woman/whatever, and it should be a totally unremarkable thing. pentyne posted:No one in management gives 2 shits about writing a black character with a black voice, they are perfectly fine just pressing a button for a palette swap and patting themselves on the back for solving the issue.
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I was referring to the writing, which as I understand there was not a single black person working on the script.Tiny Timbs posted:I’m going to go out on a limb here with the suggestion that very few minorities that see themselves represented in a fantasy video game want that to carry the baggage of IRL racism. It may just be that ticking the box is what people have been asking for for decades, and re-exposing people to serious real world issues can be left for another game. Yes, it's fine when the character's race/identity doesn't have any bearing on the game or plot. If they want to brag about that though, then there's a much greater responsibility, which games like Tell Me Why dropped the loving ball on claiming to present a true to life trans experience that has the PC not experience the slightest bit of adversity for being trans. pentyne fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Jan 23, 2023 |
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big cummers ONLY posted:I finished the campaign of Dusk last night. I mostly enjoyed it. I stopped looking for secrets after the first few levels, and was really just pushing myself to finish the game despite being "over it" halfway through the 3rd episode. I can see people getting really into it but I prefer a boomer FPS with slow movement, I think. I think Dusk shined brightest for me in the first episode (and I think part of the second? What’s the one that you fight in that giant indoor power plant thing?) i *really* loved the Halloween rustbelt aesthetic a lot as well as the pacing that had. The underworld/hell setting as well as the faster paced combat was something I wasn’t particularly interested in, though.
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When the heck is the AMID EVIL expansion coming out.
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:When the heck is the AMID EVIL expansion coming out. the switch port was announced before the expansion and even that still isn't out
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Gay Rat Wedding posted:When the heck is the AMID EVIL expansion coming out. It was supposed to be out before the end of 2022!
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buglord posted:I think Dusk shined brightest for me in the first episode (and I think part of the second? What’s the one that you fight in that giant indoor power plant thing?) i *really* loved the Halloween rustbelt aesthetic a lot as well as the pacing that had. that was late episode 2 i believe and goddamn was that level cool as gently caress with amazing music. i think about it all the time. one of the highest points of a banger of a game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfCNfLXnX8c
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