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reignonyourparade posted:Trump was charismatic. Yes. Not to everyone, but he he's basically hypnotic to a certain type of person. He's been in the media for decades for a reason.
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Trump speaks very bluntly with simple words and is willing to take any side of an issue as long as it makes people like him for that moment which is why he was such a wild card in 2016.
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Basically everyone in this thread is eagerly awaiting the insults he'll dish out to Desantis and fondly recalls a ton of his insults from the 2016 primary, I think he's charismatic to more people than a lot would like to admit even if it's true it isn't "to everyone" and he's awful enough in other ways that it's not enough to get all of those people to actually like him or vote for him.
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-Blackadder- posted:The question is, if the tides start to turn against Trump, what's his play and what does the GOP play back? This is exactly what post-Citizens United dark money systems are incredibly effective at, if you don't mind playing bad faith back at the conservatives. Make it very clear to trump that a third party run will earn him, personally, lots and lots of liquid cash to keep his poo poo afloat, then when he accepts that because it satisfies two ideal conditions for him ("I get lots of money, and I gently caress those who hosed me") — finance his election campaign endlessly from shell corporations. Pay him good for his time. Split or dispirit the conservative vote. Best money you could ever spend on election outcomes from the left wing.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/20/oklahoma-pork-plant-seaboard-foods-chiewelthap-mariar This story could not possibly be more American. quote:Workers at a pork processing plant in Oklahoma have condemned the use of police by management that resulted in the killing of a worker who had just been fired. just randomly bolding here gently caress
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Automata 10 Pack posted:When I’m more optimistic, I think that even if DeSantis gets past Trump and the primaries the “Don’t Say Gay Bill” will sink him. Republicans tried to target one of the more vulnerable LGBTQ demographics in the midterms and it repelled everybody but the nazis, and DeSantis broadly targeted queer folk with a bill that coerces everybody back in the closet. And 80% of Americans support laws that protect queer folk: https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/599240-support-for-lgbtq-rights-on-the-rise-poll/ And now you have a generation of young adults who grew up with lgbtq friends, classmates, and teachers who can more clearly see through the lies and understand the harm the conservatives want to inflict. yeah except this poo poo sunk them bad in 22 and they can only do really hosed up poo poo in deep red hell states and even their most is stuck in comitee or excutive actions. musks twitter thing backfired because he broke the algorithm and now the chuds get even less views.
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Jan 24, 2023 00:08
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-Blackadder- posted:Here's the article mentioned. yeah, thats what mastriano did and he lost by 8. you need the moderates and normies to push you over the line and desantis is activley and only courting the psychos and getting high on his own supply.
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Jan 24, 2023 00:11
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James Garfield posted:Desantis could win if he and Trump were the only major candidates, but there's no way only two Republicans run and Trump will win easily if there are several candidates. this. its gonna be a clown car like PA gubitonorial race but where there is a clear number 2 BUT the rat king never breaks apart leading to Mastriano winning. the various republican canidates wont drop out to make sure one beats trump. they will gently caress each other over.
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Charliegrs posted:I don't understand why people think DeSantis couldn't win the general after Trump won it in 2016? Like what negative qualities does DeSantis have that Trump didn't? Trump wasn't charismatic either. I don't think chuds care about charisma, in fact they want someone to be as outwardly evil as they are and DeSantis will definitely deliver when it comes to that. Trump was the Obama of the right, in many ways.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Trump also had the reputation (deserved or not) of being a Very Successful Businessman who Gets Things Done. Desantis doesn't have that. Six years have passed. Trump doesn't have that anymore either.
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Uglycat posted:Six years have passed. Trump doesn't have that anymore either. The question was: Charliegrs posted:I don't understand why people think DeSantis couldn't win the general after Trump won it in 2016? Like what negative qualities does DeSantis have that Trump didn't? Trump wasn't charismatic either. I don't think chuds care about charisma, in fact they want someone to be as outwardly evil as they are and DeSantis will definitely deliver when it comes to that. He had that reputation 6 years ago. He doesn't have it now, and DeSantis never has.
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Yea, Trump had the perception of being a very successful businessman pushed into the American psyche since the 80s. No one else has that.
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Charliegrs posted:Like what negative qualities does DeSantis have that Trump didn't? Have you heard him talk? https://www.c-span.org/video/?524142-1/florida-governor-ron-desantis-victory-speech
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Main Paineframe posted:Trump was the Obama of the right, in many ways. So you're basically saying that Obama was the Trump of the left which LOL yeah that's not even close. I WISH we had our version of a Trump.
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He also had that weird carnie charm that activated the real crazies that usually stayed home. DeSantis, by virtue of having been in office at all, is already too establishment for them. Really the only reason DeSantis is closing in on the polls is post-midterms salt. He hasn't even announced he was running, and I don't think he's going to.
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Neo_Crimson posted:He also had that weird carnie charm that activated the real crazies that usually stayed home. DeSantis, by virtue of having been in office at all, is already too establishment for them. Really the only reason DeSantis is closing in on the polls is post-midterms salt. He hasn't even announced he was running, and I don't think he's going to. I suspect he's still waiting to see which way the wind blows on Trumps manifold legal issues. If the courts clear the path for him, I can very much see him jumping in, but if not and if Trump doesn't appear otherwise fatally damaged, I agree he'll likely continue to bide his time and build cred with the curbstomp set by doing things that hurt the people they want hurt.
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Trump is a consummate carnival barker, the quintessential 80s businessman, a cartoon bully, and the embodiment of dark humor. He's got a unique type of charisma that works for a decent segment of the population. Then when you ad in that he's media gold, he's got real power. The question is how many other candidates are there going to be and how is the media going to treat him this time.
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Charliegrs posted:So you're basically saying that Obama was the Trump of the left which LOL yeah that's not even close. I WISH we had our version of a Trump. I’m kind of surprised none has emerged. Surely there’s some caustic charismatic left wing bully celebrity out there.
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pencilhands posted:I’m kind of surprised none has emerged. Surely there’s some caustic charismatic left wing bully celebrity out there. pre-emptive "not a leftist, just a filthy lib  " to whomever gets brought up
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Gyges posted:Trump is a consummate carnival barker, the quintessential 80s businessman, a cartoon bully, and the embodiment of dark humor. He's got a unique type of charisma that works for a decent segment of the population. Then when you ad in that he's media gold, he's got real power. its this. Trump has the 80s dickhead confidence man charm that lots of people love(though way less now), desantis just comes off as the hosed up high school kid with the cracking voice who gets off on stomping frogs to death and bulling the special ed kids very loudly and lashes out when anyone questions him but folds when someone "bigger" then him call him out because he is easly rattled like most hosed up bullies. sure he has power in his small domain but the second he tries poo poo outside of it. it doesnt end as well. pencilhands posted:I’m kind of surprised none has emerged. Surely there’s some caustic charismatic left wing bully celebrity out there. i think its because outside grognards like us, the out and out bully poo poo doesnt play well on the greater left side of the spectrum. that being said, the "dark brandon" poo poo seemed to work well enough, so gently caress it. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah except this poo poo sunk them bad in 22 and they can only do really hosed up poo poo in deep red hell states and even their most is stuck in comitee or excutive actions. musks twitter thing backfired because he broke the algorithm and now the chuds get even less views.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:The poo poo that sunk them was going mask off on the whole fascism thing and bringing out ridiculous candidates. They will try to sell DeSantis as a moderate and a lot of the discussion around him will be whether he is or not (or well, trying shout that he is a very radical candidate over all the billionaire noise that he isn’t.) they wont try to sell him as a moderate, that ship sailed with trump winning. its full on "actually the silent majority love us" poo poo.
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Dick Trauma posted:I don't know how anyone can be comfortable predicting anything. 2020 being Donald Trump running for his second term against Joe Biden is proof that anything in the world can happen. You go back to 2000 and tell somebody that's what 2020 is going to be and they'll ask you which Saturday Night Live joke you took that from.
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Youremother posted:2020 being Donald Trump running for his second term against Joe Biden is proof that anything in the world can happen. You go back to 2000 and tell somebody that's what 2020 is going to be and they'll ask you which Saturday Night Live joke you took that from. I completely agree, but I also think the future being much more boring than anyone expected is still possible
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think its because outside grognards like us, the out and out bully poo poo doesnt play well on the greater left side of the spectrum. that being said, the "dark brandon" poo poo seemed to work well enough, so gently caress it. Yeah, the reasons the right likes Trump are not reasons the left would or should like anybody. He punches down at the weak. He indulges in the privileges of wealth. He's a huge hypocrite. He tells comforting lies that pander to base instincts. Anyone who does any of these things is disavowed by huge slices of the left
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pencilhands posted:I completely agree, but I also think the future being much more boring than anyone expected is still possible hence why i think biden probably wins. people want boring mixed with some better stuff.
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pencilhands posted:I’m kind of surprised none has emerged. Surely there’s some caustic charismatic left wing bully celebrity out there. Wasn't that basically avenatti before his whole world imploded?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they wont try to sell him as a moderate, that ship sailed with trump winning. its full on "actually the silent majority love us" poo poo. The media has already labeled DeSantis as the “moderate alternative to Trump” already. Like I said, the Democrats are going to need to combat that messaging because CNN sure the gently caress ain't, lmao. But, Chuds are pretty loving stupid though and may not understand the pivot. Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think its because outside grognards like us, the out and out bully poo poo doesnt play well on the greater left side of the spectrum. that being said, the "dark brandon" poo poo seemed to work well enough, so gently caress it.
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Automata 10 Pack posted:I think they’ll try to have their cake and eat it too, hoping that DeSantis’s history of feeding meat to the crazies will keep them on his side while he pivots and keeps the flashy stuff to just euphemisms. Moving more right if he needs to and then pivoting back to being a moderate after the primaries. i dont think desantis pivots, i actually think he is a more of a true believer fuckhead then people assume and i think he will think "punishing the wokes" plays well beyond the base. if your trying to appeal to people beyond the chuds, you go on CNN or local news or whatever even if you know you will get poo poo on because you know you can go back to the chud sphere and pretend its war wound. desantis doesnt even do that. he pulls doug mastriano poo poo and sits in his hosed up hardline echo chamber and only talks to psychos. he also won by a landslide so he probably does legit believe that the poo poo will play well with everyone accross the spectrum. this isnt the age of mittens Rmoney and paul "andrew" ryan who tossed out red meat as a treat so they could get welfair and watch people starve on the street for corpo poo poo and pretend to be big brain objectivists. the culture war is the only war now, its the path and the goal. we will see. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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we are in hell and the campaign trail is never-ending
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World Famous W posted:we are in hell and the campaign trail is never-ending always were.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont think desantis pivots, i actually think he is a more of a true believer fuckhead then people assume and i think he will think "punishing the wokes" plays well beyond the base. if your trying to appeal to people beyond the chuds, you go on CNN or local news or whatever even if you know you will get poo poo on because you know you can go back to the chud sphere and pretend its war wound. desantis doesnt even do that. he pulls doug mastriano poo poo and sits in his hosed up hardline echo chamber and only talks to psychos. he also won by a landslide so he probably does legit believe that the poo poo will play well with everyone accross the spectrum. this isnt the age of mittens Rmoney and paul "andrew" ryan who tossed out red meat as a treat so they could get welfair and watch people starve on the street for corpo poo poo and pretend to be big brain objectivists. the culture war is the only war now, its the path and the goal. we will see. Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Jan 24, 2023 |
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I don't have polls to support this, but given the shallow political engagement in America I think what moves people (who aren't ride or die for their team) is the stink of loser... especially (or at least) when it comes to those who appeal to those of casual to no engagement. Not both strictly political, but take trump and musk. They both say outrageous things, brazenly lie, and exploit their own base, with seemingly no repercussions. When they take a major loss in some very public way (this is filtered through other factors mind you), people are far more ready to drop them. Certainly not making 2024 predictions, and I won't pretend it's a new idea. Just think it's an important aspect of how Americans see public figures. Being "right" ain't worth poo poo, but people will shy away from a loeer.
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Jaxyon posted:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/20/oklahoma-pork-plant-seaboard-foods-chiewelthap-mariar Imagine butchering and packing meat with a human cadaver in the room with you.
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Republicans will abandon DeSantis and come home to Trump the moment they see them on stage, I'm certain. This always happens, the base grumbles and acts rebellious and drifts away but always, ALWAYS comes back to get in line, especially because the party makes active efforts to appease them. Also expect the media to, as usual, do the most stupid possible things, breathlessly give airtime to the loudest lunatics, and black out anyone who genuinely wants to improve things somewhat.
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Nameless Pete posted:Imagine butchering and packing meat with a human cadaver in the room with you. Imagine surviving all he did to get here and then dying like that
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Reset the clock https://twitter.com/vmiracleCNN/status/1617715700227006471 The guy a few days ago was 72, this guy is 67. Not sure if it's a trend but as gun-havers trend older there will probably be more of this.
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