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raifield posted:This part of the case always seemed a bit strange to me. Why couldn't they have just eaten the steaks and tossed the bones in the incinerator? There being nothing on the plates doesn't actually prove anything. Sal is too gross to clean up after himself and Dee wouldn't lower herself to menial cleaning.
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People in this thread are badly underestimating the strength of several layers of duct tape.
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raifield posted:This part of the case always seemed a bit strange to me. Why couldn't they have just eaten the steaks and tossed the bones in the incinerator? There being nothing on the plates doesn't actually prove anything. You might want to check sal's testimony on the duration of the break and the time it takes to eat a t-bone.
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Honestly surprised that they're using a prop with an actual sharp point and real heft to it. Considering that this is a show where the Steel Samurai is fighting people in nothing more than funny costumes, that was a negligence suit waiting to happen.
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The tip is actually made of foam and absolutely nobody bothered to ask about.
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Blastinus posted:Honestly surprised that they're using a prop with an actual sharp point and real heft to it. Considering that this is a show where the Steel Samurai is fighting people in nothing more than funny costumes, that was a negligence suit waiting to happen. if you've ever seen classic tokusatsu it becomes very clear, very quickly that the studios have to have big life insurance policies taken out on their extras, with the amount of live pyrotechnics that they set off around people in unitards and on motorcycles as the suits get bulkier this gets worse. i can recall a good few ultraman episodes where the kaiju just legitimately catches fire on-camera
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raifield posted:This part of the case always seemed a bit strange to me. Why couldn't they have just eaten the steaks and tossed the bones in the incinerator? There being nothing on the plates doesn't actually prove anything. It's all about doubt. Why would they eat the steaks and then throw the bones in the incinerator?
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Also, a big part of being a lawyer is throwing off the witnesses. If they didn't throw the bone into the incinerator but did throw something else or even all of those into the incinerator, that's going to trip them up answering your question. They may unintentionally reveal something.
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Nidoking posted:It's all about doubt. Why would they eat the steaks and then throw the bones in the incinerator? Also worth noting that the lower ranked employees didn't clean their plates up (likely the staff that would have done so weren't allowed back in time after the area was declared a crime scene), so there's no expectation that the higher-ups, especially those in an important meeting with limited time to eat (Powers had enough time to nap, after all) would have cleaned them up. In a more sane world it would be extremely weird for everyone involved to not have cleaned up their plates and put them somewhere to be taken away, but this is Japanafornia and anything goes. Also, if they had actually cleaned their plates off using the incinerator, the plates would almost certainly be stacked together with the silverware on them.
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Nidoking posted:It's all about doubt. Why would they eat the steaks and then throw the bones in the incinerator?
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The incinerator thing is absolutely something carried over from Japan, yeah.
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Part 70: Episode 3, Final Day, Trial: Duct Tape  This situation came up once last episode, though we didn't have a penalty attached that time. We need to back off here, and came at this problem from a different angle. I think last episode it was about Miss May having an alibi?   Pretty much anyone would.Now what do you mean by that? They said the spear was heavy the other day, but that was more about saying that only Powers could have wielded it.   You see? Yes... ... Meaning? Sound: Realization You know, I was never convinced that the spear was the murder weapon. Or that Hammer was killed in his costume, at Studio One (the scene of finding the body looked staged, and there was no blood anywhere). Yet I still didn't take that skepticism one step further and figure out that Hammer was in the Steel Samurai costume. Ah well, I'll get over it someday. quote:Let's explore our other options. Maybe she could use the spear somehow? Prop it up against something maybe? quote:How about just admitting that we don't know? Music: Silence  Sound: Stab Ms. Vasquez has a pretty clear tell here. Whenever we state a fact she doesn't want known, she makes this face.  Sound: Gallery  Sound: Gavel  Sound: Whack  The spear was found lying next to the victim's body! I have proof, Your Honor. Looks like we're being prompted for evidence again. This one's actually easier if we take the penalty because Maya gives us a hint, but the answer is in the question.  The spear itself tells us - how could such a flimsy broken weapon really kill someone?   quote:Choosing anything else is, of course, incorrect: Music: Objection!    Not so fast. But, someone fixed the spear. She fixed it with duct tape! Now tell me, how is it possible... Duct tape can be pretty strong, but I guess it's more likely the spear head would have bent off again rather than penetrated.  Sound: Gallery Sound: Gavel  O-order! Order! Sound: Desk Slam   Think about what you're-- Sound: Objection I'm the one testifying here and I will be heard! Sound: Whoops I do rather enjoy the Edgeworth-Vasquez routine we have going on today.  Are you quite sane? A rare moment where the camera pans over to Phoenix for someone else's line.  How was Hammer killed? I think I've got this one.   Hey, as far as you know, I've never been wrong on this save file!  quote:We don't really have the option of not guessing at the murder weapon, as you might expect.  Obviously this is all the proof we need.  Nick!Sound: Whack  Huh? Think? Please! Sound: Whoops  (Hmm. She has a point.)Sound: Whoops  Something the matter? Very well, let's see this murder weapon, then.Maya saw us slyly reaching for our attorney's badge, didn't she? Anyway, all wrong answers get the same dialogue there. Do you know the right one?
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Well, maybe it's not impossible, but--
Mmmph!
I can sense it too, with my Fey blood...
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I think this is one of the few times in the series where the case's ending is foreshadowed right at the start. Usually, it's a twist that comes out of nowhere.
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yeah I never would have guessed that Mia was clubbed dead by some weirdo in a pink suit with diamonds, really took me off guard
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mr. sahwit betrayed my trust
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:yeah I never would have guessed that Mia was clubbed dead by some weirdo in a pink suit with diamonds, really took me off guard I'm including that in the "few". Maybe I'm just misremembering the series, it's been a long time since I've played. I don't remember them operating like an episode of Columbo. ...excuse me, I need to write a quick crossover fanfiction, be right back.
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raifield posted:I'm including that in the "few". Maybe I'm just misremembering the series, it's been a long time since I've played. I don't remember them operating like an episode of Columbo.
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As all games are meant to be standalone, the first case is the tutorial. Having the culprit be clearly shown is part of that, although there are exceptions. For example I don't think Great AA Chronicles, the one with Nick's grandpa* in Victorian London, shows the murderer in its tutorial case. *or possibly great grandpa?
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Omobono posted:As all games are meant to be standalone, the first case is the tutorial. Having the culprit be clearly shown is part of that, although there are exceptions. For example I don't think Great AA Chronicles, the one with Nick's grandpa* in Victorian London, shows the murderer in its tutorial case. Neither of the two TGAA games do, and in both there is more than one witness you can plausibly accuse, too. These games are very good, even by AA standards.
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Luca_024 posted:Neither of the two TGAA games do, and in both there is more than one witness you can plausibly accuse, too. These games are very good, even by AA standards. The Chronicles games are awesome. I really wouldn't mind having a chance to see Ryunosuke again, as I kinda like him more than Phoenix.
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Sword_of_Dusk posted:The Chronicles games are awesome. I really wouldn't mind having a chance to see Ryunosuke again, as I kinda like him more than Phoenix. Ditto. I would enjoy screenshot LPs of those games.
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The thing is, I know what the weapon was, but I don't know how to point it out. Edit: Took a look at the available evidence, and it was clear as day. Gotta have to stop running my mouth like that. Also, I like that it doesn't require a new thing, but rather something that was overlooked
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I'm still stumped. Oh well, I'll find out tomorrow, I suppose.
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I dunno why everyone's dancing around it, there's really only one possible answer. It's Mrs. Monkey's Head; he was clubbed dead with a clock statue. We've solved two cases so far, we know how murder is done.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:I dunno why everyone's dancing around it, there's really only one possible answer. Clearly Phoenix's Attorney Badge was used to bash him repeatedly. Why else would it be the only piece of evidence not used yet?
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edit: nothing to see here, my mouse didn't double-click on its own somehow, no....
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Part 71: Episode 3: Final Day, Trial: Déjà Vu Apparently there have been a lot of lurkers just waiting for the one poll where they were absolutely sure of the answer.  Anyway, we just learned about a mysterious death at Studio Two five years ago. And the top of that fence looks suspiciously spear-like. Maybe the death last week happened the same way!  Look at this photo.Music: Silence  Sound: Guilty W-what is this?Sound: Realization   Sound: Gallery  Sound: Gavel x 3 O-order! Order! Mr. Wright!Sound: Whack What is this all about!? There was an unfortunate accident at Global Studios. Not a word of this was leaked to the outside. It was a close-kept secret at the studios. Mr. Edgeworth... You still can't see it?Music: Silence  Sound: Realization  Sound: Stab  Are you saying...!? Yes.    Sound: Desk Slam Music: Telling the Truth  Sound: Objection  Sound: Stab  Sound: Gallery Sound: Gavel x 3 Mr. Wright! Continue! It's 2:30 PM on the day of the murder!  Then she did it! She pushed Mr. Hammer off the stairs onto the fence! Sound: Stab 2 Bonus points for using a "stab" sound effect in the proper context. Can we take a break to go test that fence spike? Otherwise I'm not sure how we prove any of this. Though whether she did it on purpose or by accident, I cannot say. Oh look the mean-but-strained face is back.  He died in the same way that he caused another man to die...  Sound: Guilty They're really hammering home this image.   Precisely. Ironic, isn't it? ... I could use a man like you on my script writing staff. ... Mr. Wright.  And in the Evil Magistrate's costume, no less. Are you then claiming that I carried the body to Studio One... How could I have disposed of the body!? ...Isn't this one obvious? She dumped it in the van and drove it over later I guess? The meeting ended at 4:00 PM, and the body was found at 5:00 PM - seems like plenty of time there. Or did it have to happen during the break, and we have to figure out how the path wasn't really blocked during that time?   Could Jack Hammer have been pushed off the stairs to his death... then carried to Studio One and placed inside his costume?  Hmm... indeed. No penalty here. It looks like we either have another "admit defeat" situation with the first option, or bring up our theory with the third option. Or just bluff with the second option I guess. Let's just get to the heart of the matter here.  other than with her own hands?Sound: Realization quote:Before we go too far down that road, let's explore the paths not taken. Like last time, bluffing is not the answer here. quote:Admitting that Ms. Vasquez couldn't handle moving the body directly just leads us into our theory anyway. Music: Silence   Sound: Desk Slam And there was a way for you to carry that body. Sound: Stab I-interesting! Let's hear it then.Music: Telling the Truth Mr. Wright? This one's too easy to stop and poll the audience, and the update's too short anyway. Let's push on!  I spotted this one the moment the van was introduced as evidence. Music: Silence Sound: Desk Slam Ms. Vasquez. You carried the body to Studio One. Sound: Objection quote:Our badge - and anything else we have - each just produces a generic failure reacton. Music: Objection!  Sound: Stab Vasquez is legitimately shocked by the least-stunning revelation yet.  Sound: Gallery Sound: Gavel   I was fatigued, so I had Sal take me. There was a van there, right? I had Sal drive me. You used the van to carry the body to Studio One! Sound: Objection Where did the Magistrate costume come from? Was it just waiting there at Studio One, ready for the rehearsal that day I guess?  Sound: Stab 2   Hold on, Wright! Sound: Desk Slam  Yup! Everyone we talked to yesterday said that Sal was a nobody who only got a shot at director thanks to the producer's favor, and as a result Sal was a terrified yes-man who would do anything she said. But...  It's more fun to pretend he wasn't! Of course he wasn't! Hah!  Then managed to put the body into the costume...?Sound: Desk Slam Are you seriously suggesting that is possible!? ... Sound: Realization  Sound: Whoops  I was kidding. To, er, lighten up the proceedings. Li...light...Sound: Desk Slam  Sound: Super Shock Mr. Wright. Y-yes, Your Honor.Fine, fine. quote:If we do claim Sal is a conspirator, we just skip the previous scene and move straight on to the next one.  Of course, Sal Manella has to have been a conspirator! There's no way Ms. Vasquez could have done that alone!Also, neither Sal Manella nor Dee Vasquez left a steak bone behind. So they clearly both skipped eating lunch during the break. What else could make Sal miss a meal?  They had to... because it was covered in Mr. Hammer's blood! Sound: Desk Slam Well, Ms. Vasquez! Shall I continue! ...Music: Silence No need. Hmph. Sound: Realization We...won? Already? (I... win!?) Everyone is stunned into silence. So, case dismissed?
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I need only look at the cold sweat running down your face to know what you're thinking!
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Gosts posted:is this an elaborate deja vu joke I wish I were that clever. My mouse has been randomly double-clicking when I press down lately, probably time to replace it after too many years. I would've thought SA wouldn't let a double-post through like that, though.
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The case is over?! Objection!
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[Max Payne slash Gumshoe voice] The witch saying “You win” was the cue for her army of goons to storm the courthouse and attempt to help her escape. Fortunately I was on scene again to save my pal with expert shooting and bullet time! Wait, this isn’t that kind of game. So the fence was the murder weapon. Nice. I never would have guessed that.
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Oh hey, it's nice to have a culprit who realizes they've been beaten. I guess it doesn't have to be a long drawn out thing every single time.
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DKII posted:My mouse has been randomly double-clicking when I press down lately, probably time to replace it after too many years. I would've thought SA wouldn't let a double-post through like that, though. Mine's started doing that again, also recently, despite the program I downloaded to correct the problem the first time it happened years ago. I'm pretty sure it's Windows updates, strange as that may sound. I continue to be surprised at how many of the choices this late in the game don't carry penalties, especially when the answers are obvious.
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[Modnote: This is absolutely a spoiler even if it's vague, don't be doing that]
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Jan 31, 2023 14:44
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I know you can read my thoughts, Edgeworth... badge badge badge badge
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Come on dude, it's a blind LP and you just post this poo poo? Surely it can't be THAT hard to just...keep it in your pants, yeah?
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GilliamYaeger posted:Come on dude, it's a blind LP and you just post this poo poo? Surely it can't be THAT hard to just...keep it in your pants, yeah? But if it's that hard is when you whip it out!
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Luca_024 posted:<spoiler>
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