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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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They learned that undersupported assaults are going to take high losses, and it is a lot easier to just blast your enemy and wear them down over time. Also, the sheer fact is until October-November, they were probably outnumbered.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:21
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Oh bullshit. No one dumps a fuckload of radioactive poo poo in their own backyard.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:22
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Zodium posted:I don't really know enough about tanks to have a favorite tbh Iosef Stalin 2
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Jan 25, 2023 17:23
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Starsfan posted:Man it's hard to place losses from modern warfare in the same reality as what was going on 80 years ago.. You read so much cope about how Russia is nearing their breaking point with 30,000 to 40,000 casualties in a year and then wikipedia tells you that like 600,000 Russian soldiers got surrounded and surrendered around Kiev one week back in WW2. Hits on a whole new level when you realize that almost all of those guys walked into a stalag and never walked out again. Eastern Front was savagery on a level that would make Ghengis Khan wince. Bad as it is, at least the Ukraine War isn't an existential fight of national destruction.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:29
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Zeroisanumber posted:Oh bullshit. No one dumps a fuckload of radioactive poo poo in their own backyard. america says hello
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Jan 25, 2023 17:29
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man, ukraine is gonna be ripe for economic investment when the war is over
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Jan 25, 2023 17:29
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Waagh! group
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Zeroisanumber posted:Hits on a whole new level when you realize that almost all of those guys walked into a stalag and never walked out again.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:31
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It isn't for Russia at least. Maximalist Russian goals are annexing the Donbas and putting a stooge in charge in Kiev. Far cry from Generalplan Ost.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:34
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It isn't for Russia at least. It wouldn't have been for ukraine either, if they hadn't hitched their national identity to reconquering a bunch of people who didn't want to be ukrainians anymore
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Jan 25, 2023 17:35
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Endman posted:what’s everyone’s favourite tank? NOD Stealth Tank
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Jan 25, 2023 17:36
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https://twitter.com/alexbward/status/1617936346391379968 30-50 feral tanks
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Jan 25, 2023 17:39
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50 is the better part of a regiment.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:47
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Zeroisanumber posted:50 is the better part of a regiment. I think they mentioned it would be at least 30, but it would take months possibly years. In that context, it sounds like a drop in the bucket.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:49
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if Kissinger wasn’t alive he’d be rolling in his grave right now
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Jan 25, 2023 18:11
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Ardennes posted:I think they mentioned it would be at least 30, but it would take months possibly years. In that context, it sounds like a drop in the bucket. 31
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Jan 25, 2023 18:12
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Ardennes posted:They learned that undersupported assaults are going to take high losses, and it is a lot easier to just blast your enemy and wear them down over time. Also, the sheer fact is until October-November, they were probably outnumbered. I'd guess they are still outnumbered but not as much so the material advantage can keep them from having to do pull back like Kherson/Kharkov.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:the Germans are sending fourteen tanks to Ukraine 4 to charge the Russian lines and 10 to stop the first 4 from fleeing.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:14
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Funny that all the hoopla about tanks end up being for like 60 tanks delivered over like 2 years when russia probably retrofits more than that in a few months.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:19
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supersnowman posted:I'd guess they are still outnumbered but not as much so the material advantage can keep them from having to do pull back like Kherson/Kharkov. I think there are more and more signs that the Russians have the advantage in arms at this point, particularly in the south there isn’t much push back by the Ukrainians but the Russians don’t seem to want to commit to an all out assault.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:21
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Funny that all the hoopla about tanks end up being for like 60 tanks delivered over like 2 years when russia probably retrofits more than that in a few months. It's the military equivalent of "we are raising the minimum wage to 15 dollars... over the next six years with a one dollar hike per year"
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Jan 25, 2023 18:27
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Giving Ukraine enough tanks to feel better about doing it but not enough to get ahead of Russian arsenal inflation
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Jan 25, 2023 18:29
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88 new posts
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Jan 25, 2023 18:40
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lol more plzhttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-sets-sights-fighter-jets-after-securing-tank-supplies-2023-01-25/ posted:Ukraine sets sights on fighter jets after securing tank supplies
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Jan 25, 2023 18:44
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thats not candy posted:lol more plz give them nukes
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Jan 25, 2023 18:45
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F-16's with the export AIM-9's would chew Russian pilots up pretty bad but I wouldn't like my chances against Russian air defences. Also, you're talking about starting from near-zero with pilot training because the F-16 is nothing like the Warsaw Pact stuff Ukrainian pilots are used to. Might as well give them export F-35's because it'd be about as big a job, logistically speaking.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:51
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Ukraine requesting that the West send these over
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Jan 25, 2023 18:51
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F-16s with aim-9s wouldnt do anything that ukraines mig-29s couldnt do with r-73s
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Jan 25, 2023 18:52
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Zeroisanumber posted:F-16's with the export AIM-9's would chew Russian pilots up pretty bad but I wouldn't like my chances against Russian air defences. I assume you mean AIM-120's because even the newer AIM-9X doesn't have the range to go up against even the older BVR stuff the Russian AF could field (9X is like 22 mi at best vs the old R-27 at ~50 mi). And while they've been pretty bad with combined arms, I've not heard or read any reports anything about Russian fighter jets being pushovers in A2A combat (mostly because of operating in friendly AD zones and using their range and better radars) - even from western sources. F-16's would give the Ukrainians a big boost in capability, but I don't think it would be enough to achieve air domination let alone air superiority.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:58
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lollontee posted:i've seen 25k-35k for russian losses being thrown around, THEE ukraine's losses at around the same? by all looks, this war has been an absolute meatgrinder for both sides The side outshot by at least 9:1 is not trading casualties 1:1.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:07
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BadOptics posted:I assume you mean AIM-120's because even the newer AIM-9X doesn't have the range to go up against even the older BVR stuff the Russian AF could field (9X is like 22 mi at best vs the old R-27 at ~50 mi). And while they've been pretty bad with combined arms, I've not heard or read any reports anything about Russian fighter jets being pushovers in A2A combat (mostly because of operating in friendly AD zones and using their range and better radars) - even from western sources. F-16's would give the Ukrainians a big boost in capability, but I don't think it would be enough to achieve air domination let alone air superiority. Comedy option: Buy the old F-14s from Iran and bring back the Phoenix.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:10
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https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1618296120865873920?s=46&t=705jWv712DxCoCSaHy6xig https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1618298145913593858?s=46&t=705jWv712DxCoCSaHy6xig sorry arabs, africans, asians, latin americans but freedom is only for white people we'll still install fascist dictators over you lot
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Jan 25, 2023 19:15
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As things have gone on, it's not just extra military capabilities, or making up losses but now the basic functioning of the state that's entirely contingent on the goodwill of western countries, and the Ukrainians must see that as they're not able to dictate that on their own terms anymore, the aid they get will suit Europe's goals (long, slow burning war to inflict a cost on Russia, Ukraine expendable), rather than Ukraine's. They're in an impossible situation, again, unless they draw NATO in.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:15
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lmao the motherfuckers really did add 1 over 30 to say they are giving them over 30 tanks
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Jan 25, 2023 19:16
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Frosted Flake posted:As things have gone on, it's not just extra military capabilities, or making up losses but now the basic functioning of the state that's entirely contingent on the goodwill of western countries, and the Ukrainians must see that as they're not able to dictate that on their own terms anymore, the aid they get will suit Europe's goals (long, slow burning war to inflict a cost on Russia, Ukraine expendable), rather than Ukraine's. Drawing NATO in would take more political talent and juice than Zelensky has. Ukraine isn't valuable enough to risk NYC eating a nuke.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:24
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Cao Ni Ma posted:lmao the motherfuckers really did add 1 over 30 to say they are giving them over 30 tanks
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Jan 25, 2023 19:25
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Al-Saqr posted:sorry arabs, africans, asians, latin americans but freedom is only for white people we'll still install fascist dictators over you lot I’ve been mulling on how Ukraine is white enough that invading them is a unique historical evil to other white countries (zero westerners supported arming the Iraqi insurgency or the NVA). but, they’re on the periphery enough that we in the west are still allowed to coup them, and if they ban a bunch of political parties core white countries can go “it’s different there.” it’s in this in-between space. they’re European on the television when it’s time for heartstrings and South Vietnam behind closed doors at the state department when it’s time to assess who we want running the place.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:25
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BadOptics posted:I assume you mean AIM-120's because even the newer AIM-9X doesn't have the range to go up against even the older BVR stuff the Russian AF could field (9X is like 22 mi at best vs the old R-27 at ~50 mi). And while they've been pretty bad with combined arms, I've not heard or read any reports anything about Russian fighter jets being pushovers in A2A combat (mostly because of operating in friendly AD zones and using their range and better radars) - even from western sources. F-16's would give the Ukrainians a big boost in capability, but I don't think it would be enough to achieve air domination let alone air superiority. Also, the Mig 31s with R-37s Russian has been sending out have even further ranges up to 398 km, honestly, I don't think the F-16 would be a game changer beyond protecting the airspace of particularly South-West Ukraine. Also, unless they want to kill their pilots, they probably need 1-2 years minimum to get some familiarity with the F-16 as it really does fly different than Soviet aircraft. As far as combined arms, I would say dealing with an airspace that Western militaries don't usually need to handle. It isn't Ukraine's land based radar or even really the S-300 systems that are the issue but that they are getting constant AWACS coverage over large parts of Ukraine which allows them to keep their radars off until they need to launch. This forces either the Russians risk getting hit by AD or fly low enough to get hit by manpads. The solution for the Russians has generally been to use more standoff munitions from bombers or utilizing rockets at a distance for closer support. I would say a Western airforce would face the same issue if either the Russians or the Chinese had that type of AWACS coverage.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:30
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Lostconfused posted:People freaking out about the tanks too much. The longer the war goes in the more opportunities we have to monetize it. Why would we want this war to end, how else can we make up for the shortcomings from leaving the middle east?
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Jan 25, 2023 19:33
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Al-Saqr posted:https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1618296120865873920?s=46&t=705jWv712DxCoCSaHy6xig the freedom being brought to the Ukrainian people doesn’t seem that great
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