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https://twitter.com/KramarenkoMari3/status/1618213188377669633?s=20&t=CuP-SALtzdrvG6mwpf_SFw lol at the BT-2 looking rear end Tiger tank
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Jan 25, 2023 16:47
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Tom Clancy put his mary sue self insert into the white house but made it take a combined 9/11 *and* King Ralph scenario to get him there. I think it says a lot about the man's self-image and humble nature.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:34
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Rust Martialis posted:14 year old you was horny for Tom Clancy jizzing? How can you deny this raw animal magnetism?
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Jan 25, 2023 17:43
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Jan 25, 2023 17:45
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Are any of his books objectively good? As said before, you can stop with the novels around Clear and Present Danger. His nonfiction stuff is pretty informative and perceptive; enough so that I wonder what % of them were ghostwritten. 30 Abrams is basically just a training cadre's worth, right?
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Jan 25, 2023 17:55
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GD_American posted:As said before, you can stop with the novels around Clear and Present Danger. His nonfiction stuff is pretty informative and perceptive; enough so that I wonder what % of them were ghostwritten. About a company+ or so, so probably.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:56
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If you find yourself looking at Net Force books, just put down the kindle and go outside for a while. I don't remember specifically which Net Fart book I read. All I know is it turned me off of Clancy forever, even though it was ghost written.
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Jan 25, 2023 17:57
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:If you find yourself looking at Net Force books, just put down the kindle and go outside for a while. Bahaha I read those as a kid, thanks book fair. I don't remember much beyond a scene where a guy is in cyberspace "hunting" a "tiger" (hosed if I can remember whether this was a fun vr hunt or some kind of simulacrum for ICE or a virus or some poo poo) and it spent a paragraph describing how his shotgun was loaded with alternating buckshot and slugs.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:07
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So the US is sending a battalion of Abrams, I wonder what variant, I wonder if the logistics chain package will be able to support it.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:11
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:If you find yourself looking at Net Force books, just put down the kindle and go outside for a while. The YA spinoff books, Net Force Explorers, were pretty good. It helps that, in retrospect, a good number of them were ghostwritten by Diane Duane.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:29
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Icon Of Sin posted:About a company+ or so, so probably. 30 abrams is two full companies plus two spares, So coupled with 30 IFVs it is a poor man’s armor battalion. Considering the devastation a very limited amount of tanks did for russian morale in Kharkov offensive it is not a small thing at all. I highly doubt any of those are going for training, type training is likely conducted outsude ukraine and basic armor training can be done on t-72s.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:39
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Icon Of Sin posted:God, if Rainbow6 came out today idiots would mock it for being woke just on name alone. Aren't the main baddies ecoterrorists that get left to die and get eaten by all the endangered animals they stole? Or something?
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Jan 25, 2023 18:48
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yah they are defeated by globalists
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shame on an IGA posted:Tom Clancy put his mary sue self insert into the white house but made it take a combined 9/11 *and* King Ralph scenario to get him there. I think it says a lot about the man's self-image and humble nature. Book plot was a shoddily made Japanese car kills six Americans, so Congress immediately changes export laws to cripple the Japanese economy. Japan decides to bring back the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and has developed nuclear weapons, as the key to their plan to achieve economic dominance is to… seize the Mariana Islands? Would blame this on Japan panic of the 1980s but this nonsense came out in 1994. Guess Clancy had some knowledge of the USSR but struggled to understand Japan or how the economy works.
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Jan 25, 2023 18:50
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That was the one where they CTRL-Z’d the stock market right? The plot of Rainbow Six was as follows: Billionaire ecoterrorist wants to save Earth by killing almost everyone on it. So he develops an Ebola-like virus, and hires a former KGB guy to organize terror attack (hostage takings, this is pre-9/11) so the terror alert level will go up. Then the organizers of the Sydney olympics will hire the billionaire’s buddy who has a security consulting company; this will allow them to drop the virus in the stadium’s air conditioning system during the closing ceremony thus jump starting a global pandemic. John Clark and Ding Chavez gently caress this up, however, so the head bad guys run to a remote base they’ve set up in Brazil. Rainbow Six flies down there, destroys all their poo poo and leaves them to die. The heartbeat / explosive detector dowsing Rod of Iraqi police fame plays a big role.
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Aces High posted:Aren't the main baddies ecoterrorists that get left to die and get eaten by all the endangered animals they stole? Or something? I have a somewhat solid memory of them being left behind in a jungle while the main character rides a helicopter out. One of the few details I remember besides a bunch of lunacy about a car crash fireball changing global geopolitics after like two chapters following the construction and shipping of a gas tank.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:05
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FrozenVent posted:That was the one where they CTRL-Z’d the stock market right? It's been a long time since I read it, but IIRC the ex-KGB guy turns on them and becomes a good guy because environmentalism is just too wacky for him. He calls them "druids". Without Remorse is decent if you want to read a book that is the result of Clancy throwing every cliched action movie from the mid-80s into a blender and pouring it into a 600 page doorstop.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:13
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Without Remorse is decent if you want to read a book that is the result of Clancy throwing every cliched action movie from the mid-80s into a blender and pouring it into a 600 page doorstop. Then Amazon adapted it and turned it into some bog standard secret squirrel spec ops team with (iirc) sleeper cell attack junk. Could have made a nice vigilante revenge flick but nnnnoooo.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:25
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Lemniscate Blue posted:It's been a long time since I read it, but IIRC the ex-KGB guy turns on them and becomes a good guy because environmentalism is just too wacky for him. He calls them "druids". Without remorse was for me the start of the decline of Clancy. Like I said earlier, IMO he peaked at Sum of all Fears and it all went downhill from there. Do _not_ read anything after Debt of Honor, because it really is absolute poo poo. Debt of Honor was meh.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:31
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bird food bathtub posted:I have a somewhat solid memory of them being left behind in a jungle while the main character rides a helicopter out. One of the few details I remember besides a bunch of lunacy about a car crash fireball changing global geopolitics after like two chapters following the construction and shipping of a gas tank. The only memory I have of that book was a character talking about how they dreamed of bowhunting a deer on like 5th ave in Manhattan because nature would reclaim the earth there quickly enough he’d be able to do it. Too bad I read NetForce or red storm rising or whatever. Avoided all the military ones in favor of the cyber ones. I’m the idiot!
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Jan 25, 2023 19:31
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I always preferred Clive Cussler over Tom Clancy. Cussler's plots were always knowingly bullshit.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Book plot was a shoddily made Japanese car kills six Americans, so Congress immediately changes export laws to cripple the Japanese economy. Japan decides to bring back the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and has developed nuclear weapons, as the key to their plan to achieve economic dominance is to… seize the Mariana Islands? Motherfucker, did you forget the entire Pacific Theater during WWII? Did you think that they had?
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Alan Smithee posted:picatinny railed dongs Do people still wrap their guns with condoms to weatherproof them? FrozenVent posted:That was the one where they CTRL-Z’d the stock market right? When I read Rainbow 6 at 14, I though I was too young and dumb to understand the plot. Nope, it wasn't me. I did read that passage where those two homeless experimental subjects had sex way too many times though.
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Bell_ posted:My favorite part of the whole book was some rear end in a top hat pointing out the ability of an aircraft carrier to project power to the Japanese of all people in some deep, profound statement. Lol yeah, and I think a US carrier gets hit but doesn’t sink just like in Red Storm Rising (although no issues with a French carrier sinking.) does a US carrier ever sink in one of his books? It seems like he was on the Christmas card list for higher ups in the Navy and wonder if they didn’t want readers to think their centerpieces were vulnerable. FrozenVent posted:That was the one where they CTRL-Z’d the stock market right? Dang why bother with the heavily defended olympics? It’s pre-9/11, put the virus in a humidifier and leave it running near LAX departures.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:
That was the plot to a Splinter Cell game.
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I knew things were coming off the rails for Clancy when he had that long winding subplot about the McVeigh wannabes in Executive orders that ended with them getting caught at a random traffic stop and never interacting with any other character or storyline in the entire book, at all. What I didn't know was how much worse it could get.
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Jan 25, 2023 20:38
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Fragrag posted:I did read that passage where those two homeless experimental subjects had sex way too many times though. The drugged sex was the next group of test subjects, the ones they were roofying at bars or talking into coming home and then blackbagging them into vans in metro areas because people moving to NYC or DC from middle of nowhere nebraska are a dime a dozen and wont be missed almost as much as homeless people. The rightwinger "coastal city elites dont care about us real americans" has been there for a while
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shame on an IGA posted:I knew things were coming off the rails for Clancy when he had that long winding subplot about the McVeigh wannabes in Executive orders that ended with them getting caught at a random traffic stop and never interacting with any other character or storyline in the entire book, at all. And then there was Red Rabbit, where he had great fun talking about a UK surgeon leaving the operating table during surgury to pop to the local pub to have a few beers for lunch before resuming the operation. Cuz they totally do that sort of thing in countries with socialized medicine.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Would blame this on Japan panic of the 1980s but this nonsense came out in 1994. Guess Clancy had some knowledge of the USSR but struggled to understand Japan or how the economy works. It gets so much better in "The Bear and The Dragon", where he has his characters call the Chinese "Klingons" repeatedly because they're just so inscrutable, those Orientals. And that was probably the least racist thing about the book. Also it had anti-abortion politics introduced with the usual Tom Clancy subtlety (evil Chinese Klingons gun down two priests who bravely try to stop a forced abortion).
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Lum_ posted:It gets so much better in "The Bear and The Dragon", where he has his characters repeatedly call the Chinese "Klingons" repeatedly because they're just so inscrutable, those Orientals. And that was probably the least racist thing about the book. Also it had anti-abortion politics introduced with the usual Tom Clancy subtlety (evil Chinese Klingons gun down two priests who bravely try to stop a forced abortion). An "abortion" that was being performed as the full-term baby was crowning, for extra wtf.
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Steezo posted:That was the plot to a Splinter Cell game. Oh didn’t know that, I was thinking 12 Monkeys. Cimber posted:And then there was Red Rabbit, where he had great fun talking about a UK surgeon leaving the operating table during surgury to pop to the local pub to have a few beers for lunch before resuming the operation. A similar plot with a drunk doctor killing patients was the very first Law & Order episode.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I always preferred Clive Cussler over Tom Clancy. Cussler's plots were always knowingly bullshit. Check out William Lovejoy. A B-Tier Cussler, but far less batshit silly with some really neat plots like an invasion of Antarctica that actually makes sense and is still stupid (White Night).
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Lemniscate Blue posted:An "abortion" that was being performed as the full-term baby was crowning, for extra wtf. And the robotic chinese doctor switches from trying to inject acid into the baby's brain to swaddling and caring for the infant as soon as it's out of the birth canal because only then is it a person you see. God I wish Clancy was still alive. You know that fucker would be all over twitter with the dumbest possible takes.
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"White Night by William H. Lovejoy - Armed with state-of-the-art aircraft and sub-surface marine armaments, the U.N. sits poised on the edge of Antarctica's white-misted icescape, ready to battle against a covert terrorist enemy that threatens the lives of all humankind." I need to read this just because of its dumb.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:An "abortion" that was being performed as the full-term baby was crowning, for extra wtf.  I completely forgot about that part. Christ that book was awful.FrozenVent posted:That was the one where they CTRL-Z’d the stock market right? lol, yes. Also the part about the Japanese business magnate having an American "Geisha" who gets murdered because she's an American. I think. IDK, it was stupid to begin with. Yeah pretty much any Clancy book after Sum of All Fears is trash because it gets increasingly clear that he didn't have the Soviet Union to use as a punching bag anymore, so he just started making up poo poo about anyone left of center. I remember thinking Without Remorse was pretty solid but thinking about it, it was basically a worse Mary Sue kind of book, that had all sorts of stupid Clancy tropes. Stravag posted:The drugged sex was the next group of test subjects, the ones they were roofying at bars or talking into coming home and then blackbagging them into vans in metro areas because people moving to NYC or DC from middle of nowhere nebraska are a dime a dozen and wont be missed almost as much as homeless people. I remember even at 14 thinking that part was really weird and off base, because anytime a white woman goes missing in this country, it's like all hands on deck with reporting and such.
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Kallikaa posted:"White Night by William H. Lovejoy - Armed with state-of-the-art aircraft and sub-surface marine armaments, the U.N. sits poised on the edge of Antarctica's white-misted icescape, ready to battle against a covert terrorist enemy that threatens the lives of all humankind." See! I told you!
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Kallikaa posted:"White Night by William H. Lovejoy - Armed with state-of-the-art aircraft and sub-surface marine armaments, the U.N. sits poised on the edge of Antarctica's white-misted icescape, ready to battle against a covert terrorist enemy that threatens the lives of all humankind." Some friends and I wrote stories like this in high school except the protagonists/author self inserts were the terrorists who made a base in Antarctica. Because we were high school kids and we thought it would be hilarious to have a Bond-villain lair in Antarctica.
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Hunt for the Red October is really the only one that stands on it's own merits. Red storm would be a standout in the technothriller field if it cut about 200 pages. Without remorse is notable for the sheer fever dream Prostitute-avenging Rambo concept, the rest slowly descend in quality and are mostly only of interest these days if you want to study the quaint notions of pre 9-11 right wingers. The late ghostwritten / tie-in novels ones are godawful. SSN is the most boring book about a rad subject I've ever read.
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And in unsurprising news, fascist governments continue to stand together https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1618264482492592138
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