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Gaius Marius posted:Pathaan better than every Craig Bond film, the future of film is in India Go on, I'm interested. Holy poo poo what a bad snipe. Uh, to elaborate: as much as I like James Bond and other poo poo spy films (60s eurotrash ones specifically) even I thought the Craig Bond films sucked. Turbinosamente fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Jan 26, 2023 |
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Casino Royale (2006) is the best bond film though
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Turbinosamente posted:Go on, I'm interested. Craig's films are ridiculously melodramatic and self serious while also having this annoying winking tone, where it can't help but rib you for watching it. The kind of movie that's a 2 hour long imperialist spy adventure that can't help make fun of the idea of a spy adventure in the modern world. Pathaan takes itself fully serious, even when it breaks into literal song and dance, it never tries to cloak what it is in ironic self loathing of the genre. It remembers how to have fun, so even though it's got Spy Kids level CGI and barely any location shooting it still remembers it's job is to be entertaining first and foremost.
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Jenny Agutter posted:Casino Royale (2006) is the best bond film though OHMSS and it's not close
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I feel like I’m from another planet when it comes to the Craig run of films. I found the entire tenure to be a renaissance and much needed change in direction. He’s my favorite portrayal of the character on screen to date, and I’d easily elect to watch almost any of them over the older ones. It bums me out that people turned on those movies so hard after being initially high on Casino Royale. It’s kind of like if the prevailing opinion on Batman were to be “bring back the camp and nipple suits”.
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Jan 26, 2023 05:56
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Gaius Marius posted:OHMSS and it's not close The pendulum has swung too far the other way on that movie. It went from underrated to overrated. People remember the last 30 seconds and forget the entire 2nd act.
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Jan 26, 2023 07:07
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Naw, I seen it many times and love every bit. Blofeld's desperate attempts to become a novel, the lethal tobbagon chase, the raid on piz Gloria, the most tense scene in bond history with bond barely escaping down the monorail line only to end up hunted like an animal, nearly dead before Tracee rescues him, love every second Miami Vice Great film let down by how utterly ugly it is. Sorry Mann, if you'd of shot on film this would be an all timer Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Jan 26, 2023 |
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Jan 26, 2023 07:15
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To be fair, Quantum of Solace was an absolute mess and a hell of a comedown after Casino Royale.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:To be fair, Quantum of Solace was an absolute mess and a hell of a comedown after Casino Royale. It was utterly joyless and had the worst-shot car chase of any movie I've ever seen. Just an array of lovely cuts with no rhyme or reason
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Jan 26, 2023 11:02
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It has it's moments. The opera scene is cool and the way Bond dispatches Mr. Green is cold as gently caress. And as much as people dunk on it, I like the fact that the villains were just stealing a third world nation's resources with a military coup, with tacit CIA support. I kind of wished the Craig movies had stuck with plots like that and people profiting off of terrorism like in Casino Royale instead of becoming about's Bond's tragic childhood and poo poo.
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Jan 26, 2023 11:10
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Breetai posted:It was utterly joyless and had the worst-shot car chase of any movie I've ever seen. Just an array of lovely cuts with no rhyme or reason That’s because they lost the rights to one of the cars in the chase and had to edit around it.
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Jan 26, 2023 11:11
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Quantum's editing made it feel like the movie was on fast forward whenever there was an action scene. And there were so many of them! Just no down time at all.
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Jan 26, 2023 11:16
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Hrm, gonna have to block out time for Paathan at some point, the musical numbers and bad CGI are staples of Indian movies so that's no deterrent. And more of them are popping up in the algorithm on Netflix which is a good thing. And to try and keep it brief for Craig Bond, I think Casino Royale got a pass back then by having come immediately after Die Another Day and being a soft reboot. Yes it was necessary to update and change the formula, but looking back they seem to have picked all the worse bits of modern action thrillers to copy. They may have been cheeky pointing it out in Goldeneye but it doesn't make it any less true that Bond is a relic of the cold war, and they've been struggling to write around that since then too. Also besides the last minute opening chase contractual edits, Quantum also got shafted by a writer's strike as well.
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Breetai posted:It was utterly joyless
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man nurse posted:I feel like I’m from another planet when it comes to the Craig run of films. I found the entire tenure to be a renaissance and much needed change in direction. He’s my favorite portrayal of the character on screen to date, and I’d easily elect to watch almost any of them over the older ones. It bums me out that people turned on those movies so hard after being initially high on Casino Royale. It’s kind of like if the prevailing opinion on Batman were to be “bring back the camp and nipple suits”. there were two good ones and the rest were bad which i think is more or less what happens to every bond era that lasted for more than two movies
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Pope Corky the IX posted:That’s because they lost the rights to one of the cars in the chase and had to edit around it.
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Mantis42 posted:The pendulum has swung too far the other way on that movie. It went from underrated to overrated. People remember the last 30 seconds and forget the entire 2nd act. the new hotness is For Your Eyes Only for having the best bond girl of all time, that bad rear end scene where the villain tries to keel-haul James Bond, and a climactic fight which consists of three old guys scrapping in the dirt and makes no attempt to present it as more spectacular than that
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the new hotness is For Your Eyes Only for having the best bond girl of all time, that bad rear end scene where the villain tries to keel-haul James Bond, and a climactic fight which consists of three old guys scrapping in the dirt and makes no attempt to present it as more spectacular than that That's funny, I was just listening to the title track of this yesterday. Not a bad Bond theme if you appreciate what they were going for! Also does Grace Jones count as a Bond Girl?
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Feels Villeneuve posted:there were two good ones and the rest were bad which i think is more or less what happens to every bond era that lasted for more than two movies Casino, Skyfall, No Time To Die, all bangers imo. Spectre? Kinda middling and boring. A couple standout sequences. Quantum I like more than most people but I agree it’s not among the best of them. I stand by my statement, I’d watch any of those over the bulk majority of the older films, and I say this as a lifelong Bond fan.
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Spectre’s washed out colour palette wasn’t great.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:That's funny, I was just listening to the title track of this yesterday. Not a bad Bond theme if you appreciate what they were going for! FYEO's soundtrack is either terrible or great and i'm not sure which i remember chase music which sounded like it'd play in the background of The Price Is Right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfvebN0z3X8
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Feels Villeneuve posted:FYEO's soundtrack is either terrible or great and i'm not sure which LMAO this is some absolutely liminal scoring. Is it a disco track? A game show theme? A montage soundtrack? WIthout context this track is absolutely mind-shattering. I'm getting notes of Brass Bonanza, the Hartford Whalers hockey team's official theme song in there. Wild!
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:LMAO this is some absolutely liminal scoring. Is it a disco track? A game show theme? A montage soundtrack? WIthout context this track is absolutely mind-shattering. I'm getting notes of Brass Bonanza, the Hartford Whalers hockey team's official theme song in there. Wild! Jeez I dunno if I should ruin it for you by posting the context. it's the ski chase. One of my favorite tracks as well as the tense atmospheric music leading up to it. Not suprised FYEO is the new hotness I would think the kicking of the enemy assassin's car off the cliff a move Roger Moore felt was too brutal btw would merit the film a second look alone despite Bibi Dahl's existence. Ah hell I'll post it https://youtu.be/CUuMjlK22vs My favorite part is the descending piano lick on the ski jump. Turbinosamente fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jan 26, 2023 |
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Payndz posted:Is there a source on this? The Top Gear magazine on-set article says there were three bad-guy cars in the chase, but all were Alfa 159s, so if they lost the rights to one they'd lose them all. It's something I've seen again and again here on the forums and elsewhere, and at one point someone had a link to an article. I'm not sure of the details beyond that, my apologies.
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Put me in the "liking the one-time Bond composers" crew. George Martin/LALD: he produced the Beatles, for gently caress's sake. Marvin Hamlisch/TSWLM: absolute maximum Seventies. Bill Conti/FYEO: the Seventies never died! They just got new synthesisers. Eric Serra/Goldeneye: opening with the James Bond Theme on kettle drums and vuvuzela? Hell yes. Only Michael Kamen lets the side down, because he just recycled his Lethal Weapon/Die Hard bag of cues, but hey. If composers weren't allowed to reuse their own stuff James Horner's last score would have been Battle Beyond The Stars.
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Payndz posted:Eric Serra/Goldeneye: opening with the James Bond Theme on kettle drums and vuvuzela? Hell yes. I liked the opening but the rest of his score sounded like someone walking down a long empty tunnel banging on the walls with a metal pipe.
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Thank god Goldeneye's soundtrack is good overall because I hate hate hate the credits song with a fiery passion. I also recall Living Daylights having a decent soundtrack but probably doesn't fit the one time composer bill. And now it's clearer to me as to how McCartney wound up doing Live and let Die.
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Turbinosamente posted:Thank god Goldeneye's soundtrack is good overall because I hate hate hate the credits song with a fiery passion. I mean it's just a worse version of Goldfinger, and Tina Turner is blasting it. What exactly do you hate about it? That it's so obviously aping a better song?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I liked the opening but the rest of his score sounded like someone walking down a long empty tunnel banging on the walls with a metal pipe. That metal sound was everywhere in 90s soundtracks.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I mean it's just a worse version of Goldfinger, and Tina Turner is blasting it. What exactly do you hate about it? That it's so obviously aping a better song? End credits I meant. I think Eric Serra may be singing it himself. "The Experience of Love" or whatever the gently caress.
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I think he also sang the song at the end of Fifth Element. Where he can't decide whether he wants to be Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins, splits the difference, and sounds like poo poo.
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Clue Man, why can't films have fun like this again. I would watch a hundred hours of this zany nonsense over any whodunnit nowadays.
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Clue has to be the best board game film right? Not sure how many of those there are unless you start counting every film involving chess.
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Wait wasn’t the board game created for the movie. But I’d still take clue over jumanji.
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checkplease posted:Wait wasn’t the board game created for the movie. But I’d still take clue over jumanji. Clue the game was created in the 1940s.
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Right, I meant a jumanji board game was made after the movie.
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Age of Innocence Marty's Best film. Anyone who doubts it can fight me, Love melodrama, and I love a late 80's early 10's setting
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It's enjoyable, but c'mon the best? From the Life of the Marionettes This 1980 Bergman film follows the Peter and Katarin couple from the first episode of Scenes from a Marriage, although now they're German because Sweden's taxes are just Too drat High. This is a kind of murder mystery, where the mystery isn't whodunnit but whydunnit, as Peter murders a prostitute in the opening scene and the rest of the movie is spent in alternating flashforward and flashback as we peel back the layers of his unhappy marriage, his relationship with his mother, and possible latent homosexuality to discover exactly why Peter did it. And to be honest, by the end of it, I didn't really care. This is a beautifully shot film, among the best cinematography I've seen yet from the Berg, but I didn't connect to this story at all and found it to be the weakest of the MCU (marriage cinematic universe). Maybe I would 'get it' on a rewatch but I'm struggling to understand what this was trying to convey. The man made so many movies about people trapped in toxic relationships self destructing in the worst ways, so perhaps I should accept this as simply as another variation on that theme, but made so late in his career it feels like there's something more going on here that I'm unable to see. 6/10 e: Maaaybe bump that up to a 7 because of stuff like the dream sequence. I love looking at the movie. Mantis42 fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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Was feeling in a Mann mood so I watched Blackhat (2015) and it’s not as bad as reviews would have you think. It’s Mann so it’s stylish as hell and the music is great, shout out to Harry Gregson Williams bringing his espionage thriller chops. To my knowledge a lot of the technical details were fairly accurate outside of the obvious plot device NSA super program, loved the phishing and usb plant scenes. The third act was weak but i did appreciate that Mann made no bones about how Chris Hemsworth was out of his depth and makes a bad plan and executes it poorly and barely survives. Really wish I could find the FX cut where they move the nuclear plant attack to the second act, it makes much more sense there. Yes he really wears a black hat in one scene.
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