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Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Notice how the correct answer does not include a 'Verify the program actually hit its objectives'.

'Examine the educational program' is something you say with absolutely no intention of doing anything beyond yelling across the office 'Hey did you guys see that PPE poo poo we put out last month?' while writing 'Visibility and awareness of the program was satisfactory' in the evaluation outcomes box.

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Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!
I regularly have to send 4-5 emails to get information for a very simple question that can usually be answered with a yes/no or an image snip.

I have a passionate hatred for construction project managers.

Orvin
Sep 9, 2006




Outrail posted:

Notice how the correct answer does not include a 'Verify the program actually hit its objectives'.

'Examine the educational program' is something you say with absolutely no intention of doing anything beyond yelling across the office 'Hey did you guys see that PPE poo poo we put out last month?' while writing 'Visibility and awareness of the program was satisfactory' in the evaluation outcomes box.

That is like the standards for electric utilities is that they have to test their black-start plan every year. It doesn’t say anything about having a successful test, just a test.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

I'm probably not going to be able to keg the imperial stout until the middle of next month, which would be great if we could sell it in like a month, but average is like 3-4 months to sell out of a batch. It kept getting pushed back because it can stay in the tank for a while. We sorta screwed the pooch on this one. Hopefully it'll be a teachable moment.

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost
We had our big quarterly product/program/project meeting.
We all agreed our best product is the one we basically just buy from a competitor and rebrand as our own. We're going to keep bandaiding and adding to our proprietary product. We're not going to fix all the issues we have with our proprietary product. We are going to add features to our rebranded product, but we will definitely not add those same features to our proprietary product. If you want features in one product, the customer has to order that product. If a customer wants features on both products, they have to order both products.

We spent maybe an hour talking about our engineering terminology vs our sales and marketing terminology. Sales and marketing admitted they use engineering terminology when talking to a customer, despite all the published materials using sales and marketing terminology. When an order comes in, no one (customer, dealer, sales and marketing) actually knows what is being ordered and what will be delivered. We made no determination on what we will do in the future.

We talked about our roadmap and our longterm goals. Then we talked about our projects and prioritizing them in a decision matrix. None of the longterm goals are being used to prioritize our projects.

Jelly posted:

I have a passionate hatred for construction project managers.

This is me. And we're making engineers their own project managers to add to my self loathing.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

I asked if the case of beer from the collaboration we did with our malt and hop supplier had been shipped to them yet. I was told by the restaurant it hadn't been done yet because they didn't know the address. The address for our supplier we use regularly and regularly correspond with. That we have a billing account set up with. The equipment supplier who attaches their address and phone number to each order confirmation email they send. The supplier we just sent a list of hop pre orders to which had their address on it. The supplier who has a very professional website that includes information such as their address and phone number. I don't mind helping find info but FFS. :bang:

Edit: I guess I should make a spreadsheet.

Escape From Noise fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Jan 26, 2023

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Timby posted:

I mean, dude, I sympathize with you (I'm 38 and have a compression fracture in my spine, and nerve and muscle tissue death in both legs because of undiagnosed blood clots seven years ago, so I live in pain all day, every day), but you work for a casino. You're working in one of the most bloodthirsty industries on the planet, an industry designed to grab and save every single penny it can.

True, but nothing I touched on really has any direct cost saving for the company. I don't get paid for my missed day, excused or not. It's more to do with bureaucracy, policy and overly rigid rules that don't really do anything and the rather hopeless situation I found myself in trying to get my absence marked as excused.

E

drat, what percentage of the people in this thread work in a brewery?

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

BiggerBoat posted:

True, but nothing I touched on really has any direct cost saving for the company. I don't get paid for my missed day, excused or not. It's more to do with bureaucracy, policy and overly rigid rules that don't really do anything and the rather hopeless situation I found myself in trying to get my absence marked as excused.

E

drat, what percentage of the people in this thread work in a brewery?

Only a few but we're (I'm) loud.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

BiggerBoat posted:

True, but nothing I touched on really has any direct cost saving for the company.

Sure it does. Casinos always over-staff by a little bit, so if a guy scheduled to work in a poker room calls off, that means they're free of the hourly pay for the day. That puts them even more in the green. This is why you don't get PTO; casinos are evil and treat their employees like poo poo. Number go up is all they care about.

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.
I got a response from an application I don’t recall submitting. The company is based in England, but started in Nebraska, per Wikipedia, and has offices all over the US. The number for the recruiter is in the England.

The email doesn’t have any weird syntax, so I responded to schedule an interview. I hope I didn’t just get on some sort of spam list :ohdear:

I’m guessing it is the one where I got to describe my experience working on medical appeals, since that was not my job title but my previous job couldn’t figure out how to train the people processing documents, so I would have to locate those documents to have those denials turned into approvals, because half the time it was denied due to “missing information” that has been revived but not attached to the authorization, so the clinicians doing the reviews never saw it. The appeals team did not have that under their responsibilities for some reason.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Is it Maximus? Because I would refer to them as a bunch of fucks.

Only with stronger language.

Though I have no idea where they were founded.

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

goatface posted:

Is it Maximus? Because I would refer to them as a bunch of fucks.

Only with stronger language.

Though I have no idea where they were founded.

LOL! No! Maximus is what I was just “reduced” from after our team was told we would be absorbed by Medicare after open enrollment ended. This is after I had been in a different group before half of my class got Covid because they are too stupid to figure out how to not spread around disease.

It was Superior Health plan, owned by Centene. The clinicians were great. My department has always been a giant clusterfuck. I think if I had been given access to people above my supervisor’s supervisor, I may not have been fired from that job. But after they made the person I had to waste time cleaning up after regularly “team lead”, I was like, “eh, gently caress this place.” Hope they enjoy their increase of complaints and lawsuits. hplan they worked with.

Maximus sucks, but they would never tolerate the level of incompetence found at superior health plan. Also, according to the providers I spoke to, superior health was BY FAR the least incompetent healthplan they had to deal with. So yeah, this is one of the reasons that US healthcare is so loving expensive. Massive amounts of incompetence on the administrative side. Providers who contract outside their companies for administrative tasks also employ incredibly incompetent companies.

It’s downright un-American to not toss billions of dollars straight into a fire pit. I can’t figure out why other countries now seem to be adopting this method of healthcare administration.

Bored fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 26, 2023

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
I think I asked the thread a while ago, but going for round two because this thread has the burnt-out cynics who have the right attitude to useless management.

Does anyone actually like the project management software they use? If so what is it?

We're starting to expand and the usual excel lists don't cut it anymore, and MS tasks by planner has functionality issues that are just mind-numbingly stupid.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

All PM software is rear end, but I also despise spending time that I should be working on a thing writing down the work that I need to be doing on said thing. I've used MS Project, Asana, and Trello. All are better than making a Gantt chart in Excel. Trello was the least painful, but probably more geared towards software development.

McGavin fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jan 26, 2023

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Outrail posted:

I think I asked the thread a while ago, but going for round two because this thread has the burnt-out cynics who have the right attitude to useless management.

Does anyone actually like the project management software they use? If so what is it?

We're starting to expand and the usual excel lists don't cut it anymore, and MS tasks by planner has functionality issues that are just mind-numbingly stupid.

You can make JIRA do what you want and to be honest it's decent.

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.
Goddamnit. I think I fell for a scam. But I didn’t fill out any paperwork, so I may be ok. We will see. Maybe one of the other 30 jobs I’ve applied to this week will call.

cynic
Jan 19, 2004



Aramoro posted:

You can make JIRA do what you want and to be honest it's decent.

The UI is utter trash and things like not remembering sort orders in epics is incredibly annoying. Our company has absorbed so many other companies and we've just mashed all the jiras together and we have 6 different Todo statuses and about 250 different ticket fields including some in Polish.

Some of our teams use Monday and it seems cheerful if nothing else.

We also use Miro for some remote Collab and I'm half tempted to try to just project plan using random virtual postits just like the good old days.

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!
Don't feel bad, nearly all jobs are scams

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

my company used to use trello which was fine, but now we're on airtable. it worked great right up until the guy who created all the systems (dropbox integration, order automations, etc) left for another job and then it collapsed immediately, but for the most part it's decent if you have someone who knows what they're doing running it

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

TotalLossBrain posted:

Don't feel bad, nearly all jobs are scams

That too.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

Aramoro posted:

You can make JIRA do what you want and to be honest it's decent.
We use JIRA and it's like trying to read poo poo smears on walls, but that may be due to the person who set it up being an idiot.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




cynic posted:

The UI is utter trash and things like not remembering sort orders in epics is incredibly annoying.


Nah JIRA is fine. Your problem is.

cynic posted:

Our company has absorbed so many other companies and we've just mashed all the jiras together and we have 6 different Todo statuses and about 250 different ticket fields including some in Polish.

Just get yourself made an admin and you can fix your local areas.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Well, I guess my decision to stick with Teams isn't the worst idea than :/

CaptainViolence posted:

my company used to use trello which was fine, but now we're on airtable. it worked great right up until the guy who created all the systems (dropbox integration, order automations, etc) left for another job and then it collapsed immediately, but for the most part it's decent if you have someone who knows what they're doing running it



Dumb poo poo your work does - it worked great right up until it collapsed immediately

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

lol i suspect that someone deleted one of his accounts tied to something or other, but yeah it was shocking how fast it utterly imploded. his last day was a friday and by the next friday we were back to sending dropbox links over slack because literally nothing worked anymore

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Timby posted:

Sure it does. Casinos always over-staff by a little bit, so if a guy scheduled to work in a poker room calls off, that means they're free of the hourly pay for the day. That puts them even more in the green. This is why you don't get PTO; casinos are evil and treat their employees like poo poo. Number go up is all they care about.

True and yes. But excused or not I wasn't getting paid for it so all these hoops I'm jumping through are just so they can ding me for my attendance on my next review. I don't have PTO so, like you said, me missing work helped their bottom line. The poo poo I was complaining about basically amounted to me having get a note from my mother for missing school.

Scientastic
Mar 1, 2010

TRULY scientastic.
🔬🍒


Outrail posted:

Well, I guess my decision to stick with Teams isn't the worst idea than :/

I feel like teams was designed by someone who had absolutely no intention of ever using it themselves

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
I’m almost jealous of people griping about their Teams / Slack / whatever setups when my job still involves just getting 50 emails a day

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

You will still get 50 emails a day, but now you also have 50 Slack messages a day.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

Entropic posted:

I’m almost jealous of people griping about their Teams / Slack / whatever setups when my job still involves just getting 50 emails a day

I'm gonna miss the 3 and a half years of not having a work email

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

I used Slack in two jobs. In one it was fine and fulfilled a purpose. In the other it was a nightmare scenerio on message storms from a psychotic owner who'd use it to get specific answers about dumb poo poo before I was even up then would go radio silent if you needed an answer from him.

I guess what I'm saying is Slack is a land of contrasts.

Escape From Noise
Jul 27, 2004

Edit: Wrong thread.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

Drug factory, my email was just a constant string of SOP release notifications and "We wish them well in their future endeavors (no we don't lol)" who got fired today? notifications, and HR+IT kept track of how often you logged in and how many unread you had and it could and would result in writeups if you weren't checking multiple times a day to find out which 20 SOPs you needed to resign by tomorrow (also you're only allowed to read 5 SOPs per day). It was dumb as poo poo and I hated it.

This place, leads, techs and management have emails but operators don't, if I want to communicate something I just post it in the relevant spot on Teams from SMD_Team and sign it with my name, or communicate directly. I will very much miss it.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
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Scientastic posted:

I feel like teams was designed by someone who had absolutely no intention of ever using it themselves

This feels like an entirely accurate description.

There's poo poo in there that makes it so loving obviously unworkable. Like, did they ever speak to a user and ask them what would be useful and what aspects are pants on head presidential?

Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life
I just want to say I hate agile and jira. The other day I realized I’d spent more time loving around in jira than doing actual work that day. It’s very simple just move these stories to the right epic and then apply these 3 labels, come over to this view, log your hours, and you can close it here by traversing 3 machine states.

I gotta do all this but expecting anyone to give me more than 2 sentences explaining my stories is apparently a big ask.

I think waterfall is dumb but agile encourages laziness and bad habits from project managers.

One day I googled 10 signs of a failing project and virtually everything applied to all my work.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

Internet Old One posted:

One day I googled 10 signs of a failing project and virtually everything applied to all my work.

Man, the later seasons of Letterman just don't have the same zing.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Internet Old One posted:

I just want to say I hate agile and jira. The other day I realized I’d spent more time loving around in jira than doing actual work that day. It’s very simple just move these stories to the right epic and then apply these 3 labels, come over to this view, log your hours, and you can close it here by traversing 3 machine states.

I gotta do all this but expecting anyone to give me more than 2 sentences explaining my stories is apparently a big ask.

I think waterfall is dumb but agile encourages laziness and bad habits from project managers.

One day I googled 10 signs of a failing project and virtually everything applied to all my work.

quote:

Why projects fail: 10 ways to spot project failure before it’s too late
1. Unclear objectives
2. Poor communication
3. Scope creep
4. Unrealistic expectations
5. Lack of project visibility
6. Ignoring customer insights
7. Not planning resources properly
8. Roadblocks and other scheduling issues
9. Ambiguity and uncertainty at critical milestones
10. Losing steam

Well, lol

Alos, this plano page has some excellent advice that end with 'Use Plano'! So simple!

Darkest Auer
Dec 30, 2006

They're silly

Ramrod XTreme
Teams would be fine if I didn't keep getting notifications on my phone about incoming messages from four hours ago that I already responded to on my computer

I brought my Drake
Jul 10, 2014

These high-G injections have some serious side effects after pulling so many jumps.

Coworkers are discussing how tasty mayonnaise and Velveeta sandwiches are. :barf: Gonna put my other earbud in and try to enjoy my lunch.

EDIT: and someone's microwaving broccoli to death.

I brought my Drake fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 27, 2023

Bored
Jul 26, 2007

Dude, ix-nay on the oice-vay.

I brought my Drake posted:

Coworkers are discussing how tasty mayonnaise and Velveeta sandwiches are. :barf: Gonna put my other earbud in and try to enjoy my lunch.

EDIT: and someone's microwaving broccoli to death.

As someone with a very unsophisticated palette, that sound disgusting to me.

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boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

if you're talking about a grilled cheese made with velveeta that uses mayo instead of butter i could see where that'd be somewhat palatable

if you're putting velveeta and mayo on white bread and eating it cold you're too far gone already, i can't help you

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