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Neito posted:Theoretically there are protocols that could maintain the block chain over Ham, but like, even with current regulations and cooperation, sending a small email can be a nightmare, and there's some hams that are very protective of the spectrum independant of government regulation.... Since block chain traffic doesn't have to be encrypted (just signed, as I understand it) you could transmit it over ham frequencies, but you can't use ham frequencies for monetary gain. Of course in a post-apocalyptic scenario that doesn't matter because there's nobody to enforce it. So you're now just dealing with technical limitations. Packet over shortwave is absolutely slow as balls, so let's talk about VHF, where I've seen people talk about data rates as high as 9600 bps. At 9600 bps, a 1MB Bitcoin block would take over 14 minutes to transmit, and that's without any sort of data integrity / retransmission taken into account (you will need this). But new blocks are added every 10 minutes... so I guess you better start hogging some more spectrum or you'll never have a prayer of keeping up. steinrokkan posted:memorized monkey JPEG ownership tables forget "cellar door", we've found the new most beautiful phrase in the English language
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Porfiriato posted:Maybe they want to make it legal for people to still pay in gold certificates if they're so inclined? Tangential, but that reminds me that I haven't seen a silver certificate in years, although some are apparently still in circulation. I also haven't seen a $2 bill in several years - the last time I did it was because I specifically requested a bunch of them from the bank for a gift I was giving.
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Ok I just looked up when they stopped printing $2 bills and apparently they still do! I guess it was just an urban legend that they had stopped printing them (they did between 1966 - 1976), I remember getting them as a gift and holding onto them as they were rare.
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Popete posted:Ok I just looked up when they stopped printing $2 bills and apparently they still do! I guess it was just an urban legend that they had stopped printing them (they did between 1966 - 1976), I remember getting them as a gift and holding onto them as they were rare. People think they're bad luck so they're not as popular these days, but popular enough as novelties I guess?
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i thought nobody wanted $2 bills because convincing idiots that they really are legit currency is a pain in the rear end
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I used a $2 bill for tooth fairy money, then switched to Sacagawea gold dollar coins.
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Foo Diddley posted:i thought nobody wanted $2 bills because convincing idiots that they really are legit currency is a pain in the rear end I used to work for a financial company that had a huge stockpile of $2 bills and they'd hand them out like candy for any kind of like, minor achievement or recognition at work. And even a bunch of people who worked there, after years, thought they were just fake money made up by the company for giving out in that manner. Whenever I tried to spend them at places, I generally didn't have any trouble getting people to believe they were real, but a whoooole lot of cashiers tried to talk me out of spending them because they thought they were rare, and not just a thing you could go to the bank and pick up by the boxload.
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The last time I saw $2 bills and dollar coins in person was years ago, when I was at a poutine stand. It was being ran by this hipster guy with a waxed mustache and his acne riddled, fedora wearing son and it was the only change they were giving out
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Neito posted:Theoretically there are protocols that could maintain the block chain over Ham That sounds cruel to the pigs.
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TaurusTorus posted:That sounds cruel to the pigs. It's the PPB¹ protocol. ¹ pigpoopballs.jpg
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They say a man tried to create Pigballcoin, but he was immediately destroyed by those balls.
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Lazyfire posted:The US went through a pretty weird set of monetary systems pre-income tax. State specific or even regional currencies weren't uncommon and you'd even have foreign currencies still circulating in old French territories or near the borders. Around the Civil War era things started to get more aligned, especially with soldiers pay being in USD, weapon purchases in USD and reconstruction money being financed with USD. The introduction of the income tax made the US Dollar the only currency that had legitimacy decades later, but at that time there were more places paying in company script than regional currencies. The US treasury has issued a bunch of different types and denominations of currency that are considered legal tender or specie and so those provisions are probably there if someone wants to pay in old gold coins or wooden nickels or something else that predates the modern Treasury system, sort of a protection from those stories about someone getting arrested because they tried to pay with a $3 bill. Isn't the liberty dollar scenario also relevant? That was a recent one. GhostofJohnMuir posted:no joke, i've seen some coiners insist that they could keep the blockchain going via radio if the internet went away Yeah the argument I heard when I pointed out how stupid these concepts were to coiners, was satellite. Because satellite will clearly magic away the whole "We declare this illegal/ban this activity" which is absolutely possible with Bitcoin.
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drk posted:He is a "market maker" (in apes, millions of dollars of apes) it's cool and selfless of this guy to volunteer himself as the final bag holders for apes
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How has nobody made a rip off of BYAC that is just slightly different ape JPEGs but for a fraction of the price? Dilute the market with apes.
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Popete posted:How has nobody made a rip off of BYAC that is just slightly different ape JPEGs but for a fraction of the price? Dilute the market with apes. lmao if you think they haven't
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That Ryder Ripps guy did that as some sort of dumb protest against them and they're suing him
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Popete posted:How has nobody made a rip off of BYAC that is just slightly different ape JPEGs but for a fraction of the price? Dilute the market with apes. There's literally dozens.
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90% of nfts are some form of ape or elon musk
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Well there goes my get rich quick scheme. But perhaps I could make a game the utilizes the blockchain to sell items that would be unique and usable in other games...
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Boxturret posted:90% of nfts are some form of ape or elon musk What's the difference? 
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Isnt BAYC basically the crypto version if supreme?
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Popete posted:How has nobody made a rip off of BYAC that is just slightly different ape JPEGs but for a fraction of the price? Dilute the market with apes. But how do you tell the difference between the real thing and the lovely knockoff?
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Pirate Radar posted:But how do you tell the difference between the real thing and the lovely knockoff? Because the blockchain records it. Duh!
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Pham Nuwen posted:Since block chain traffic doesn't have to be encrypted (just signed, as I understand it) you could transmit it over ham frequencies, but you can't use ham frequencies for monetary gain. The other technical problem is that bitcoin expects the network to be global. If the apocalypse cuts intercontinental communication off, you'll split the network into eg USA-bitcoin and China-bitcoin, which is all very well, until a couple of years later someone manages to get a long range link running and the networks merge again, undoing every transaction on the half which has the fewest miners
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It would be like a Numbers Station, but just more stupid. "...A u 2 k 3 m N W 9 a X 1 9 e 3 ..End of block chain" "Sounds like Old Zeke in bunker 2 bought himself some drugs"
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Qwertycoatl posted:The other technical problem is that bitcoin expects the network to be global. If the apocalypse cuts intercontinental communication off, you'll split the network into eg USA-bitcoin and China-bitcoin, which is all very well, until a couple of years later someone manages to get a long range link running and the networks merge again, undoing every transaction on the half which has the fewest miners Oh, yeah also when I talk about transmitting a block over VHF in 14 minutes, that's with a range of like 100 miles if you're lucky. You can retransmit hop after hop, but that means it takes all day for your single block (one generated every 10 minutes, recall) to cross the US.
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Ups_rail posted:Isnt BAYC basically the crypto version if supreme? 
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Popete posted:Ok I just looked up when they stopped printing $2 bills and apparently they still do! I guess it was just an urban legend that they had stopped printing them (they did between 1966 - 1976), I remember getting them as a gift and holding onto them as they were rare. Steve Wozniak likes to get them in full uncut (but perforated) sheets and bind them together in a notebook and tear them off one at a time He seems like the exact kind of dweeb you’d expect to do that
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Pirate Radar posted:But how do you tell the difference between the real thing and the lovely knockoff? What every time you look at an ape JPEG you don't verify it on the block chain to confirm it's the real deal? But what if you're looking at a copy or imitation??
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Popete posted:What every time you look at an ape JPEG you don't verify it on the block chain to confirm it's the real deal? But what if you're looking at a copy or imitation?? pretty sure that makes you a criminal
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If I have a "mental image picture" of an ape picture in my organic neural network, do I owe the apeholder royalties?
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Nessus posted:If I have a "mental image picture" of an ape picture in my organic neural network, do I owe the apeholder royalties? Yes
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Nessus posted:If I have a "mental image picture" of an ape picture in my organic neural network, do I owe the apeholder royalties? Please don't give them ideas. Now were going to see ai generatef art as nfts. Edit: Or worse... ai prompts themselves
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nullEntityRNG posted:Please don't give them ideas. Now were going to see ai generatef art as nfts. That became a thing about three seconds after AI art generators did
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jokes posted:I'm pretty sure crypto people honestly, truly, 100% believe that crypto will survive the apocalypse lol  Crypto is robust and versatile. Remember, the mining process can be reversed thus reclaiming the spent energy, although the currency is lost in the process. However, with some unconventional accounting, we can keep the internet up and ensure that the Blockchain functions even when the fiat power grid fails.Gutcruncher posted:Steve Wozniak likes to get them in full uncut (but perforated) sheets and bind them together in a notebook and tear them off one at a time Heading out to the gentleman's club? One sec while I grab the binder.
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Ziv Zulander posted:The last time I saw $2 bills and dollar coins in person was years ago, when I was at a poutine stand. It was being ran by this hipster guy with a waxed mustache and his acne riddled, fedora wearing son and it was the only change they were giving out For many, many years the Pasadena swap meet only gave change in two dollar bills / dollar coins. For a while its ticketing system changed for covid, but I think it went back to cash.
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lol i think there are many bitcoin people who actually believe that
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Pf. Hikikomoriarty posted:lol i think there are many bitcoin people who actually believe that they literally think bitcoin is a battery
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random dude was posting threads about collectibles that are both an nft and real collectible "stored" in their vault. dude was obviously shilling this poo poo while making it out to be, "have you seen this cool new thing?" the mods in the subreddit deleted his first post and then when he angrily reposted the same post he was eventually banned from the subreddit. with the thread off the subreddit and the guy blocked i didn't even know he wrote a reply to me until i went to see if he was still shilling this thing. (please don't go searching for this. assuming its even searchable) the thing he was shilling is called Collector Crypt. Me: "There is literally zero reason this thing needs the "blockchain" for this. Except they want to additionally shill "NFT" as though a link to a jpeg in a json is worth the storage space being used for it. Hint: If one company is the controller you don't need a blockchain for it. May as well spin up a MySQL database. It's just not as attractive as saying, "blockchain"." Their reply: "I don't agree with this. There are many things that the blockchain brings to the party. I live in the united states, so its not a big deal, but if I were in singapore or japan, or maybe lets include Brazil or Argentina, its pretty expensive to buy stuff in USD on eBay. I literally have to jump through 3 layers of transaction fees and then have to deal with international shipping. Instead, with blockchain, I can use my local crypto exchange and get USDC with 0 fees and then buy on a 2% fee marketplace. Composability and decentralization are two things that cannot happen without the blockchain. You probably stuck your head in the ground with the internet as well. You should have kept your head there because now you just use the internet to jump on and call other people's ideas garbage."
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