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hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

band-aids and camera film are like the perfect literal textbook examples of institutional racism, but chuds are way, way too fuckin stupid to think about things that hard. even if it's part of a required course at university, they will simply not pay attention

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BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
Nothing persecutes these people like their own imaginations.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



hawowanlawow posted:

band-aids and camera film are like the perfect literal textbook examples of institutional racism, but chuds are way, way too fuckin stupid to think about things that hard. even if it's part of a required course at university, they will simply not pay attention

Not being provocative, genuinely curious, how is camera film racist?

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Not being provocative, genuinely curious, how is camera film racist?

Camera film were calibrated using various stock photos. These were almost always white people and some Japanese people thrown in (as Japan dominated the industry) but it meant black skin tones absolutely sucked for decades.

https://www.npr.org/2014/11/13/363517842/for-decades-kodak-s-shirley-cards-set-photography-s-skin-tone-standard

Mega Comrade has a new favorite as of 17:06 on Jan 27, 2023

LawfulWaffle
Mar 11, 2014

Well, that aligns with the vibes I was getting. Which was, like, "normal" kinda vibes.

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Not being provocative, genuinely curious, how is camera film racist?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/lens/sarah-lewis-racial-bias-photography.html

White skin became the baseline for color correcting in photography, meaning that dark skin needed "touching up." This reinforces a racist notion that white skin = correct skin. The article does a better job of getting into the details.

Hobbes
Sep 12, 2000
Forum Veteran
Dinosaur Gum

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Not being provocative, genuinely curious, how is camera film racist?



(still from here)

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Riot Carol Danvers posted:

I saw it yesterday with one of my follows responding to it, and "Doctor Karlyn" saying "it's true, here's a deep dive" and linking some other doc. I think the person I follow was correct in responding, "nah, I'm not gonna read your right wing propaganda rag, nice try though"

Also, on the topic of the good doctor, a thread:

https://twitter.com/NotMikeHarlow/status/1553034086192660482?s=20&t=vWV3S7qNNbBFRVnPIOXqEw

https://twitter.com/NotMikeHarlow/status/1552098047655641091

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

Not being provocative, genuinely curious, how is camera film racist?

this was a topic I learned about in college, a sociology course I think, but this article sums it up pretty well

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/lens/sarah-lewis-racial-bias-photography.html

quote:

Light skin became the chemical baseline for film technology, fulfilling the needs of its target dominant market. For example, developing color-film technology initially required what was called a Shirley card. When you sent off your film to get developed, lab technicians would use the image of a white woman with brown hair named Shirley as the measuring stick against which they calibrated the colors.

kind of a problem inherent in the technology, but some companies were better than others and it was a conscious decision

quote:

Earl Kage, Kodak’s former manager of research and the head of Color Photo Studios, received complaints during this time from chocolate companies saying that they “weren’t getting the right brown tones on the chocolates” in the photographs. Furniture companies also were not getting enough variation between the different color woods in their advertisements. Concordia University professor Roth’s research shows that Kage had also received complaints before from parents about the quality of graduation photographs — the color contrast made it nearly impossible to capture a diverse group — but it was the chocolate and furniture companies that forced Kodak’s hand. Kage admitted, “It was never black flesh that was addressed as a serious problem at the time.”

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



LawfulWaffle posted:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/lens/sarah-lewis-racial-bias-photography.html

White skin became the baseline for color correcting in photography, meaning that dark skin needed "touching up." This reinforces a racist notion that white skin = correct skin. The article does a better job of getting into the details.

So weird how facial recognition software ended up having the exact same problem, decades later.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

This dude's own bio says he's a "#GaysAgainstGroomers contributor" so it's a civil war among transphobic freaks.

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





I don't know if this is a good illustration of the issue, but it did strike me just how invisible the black model is, compared to white models in this video.

https://i.imgur.com/34MFtZq.mp4

edit: also that the entire concept of these dresses is magnificently silly.

Scratch Monkey
Oct 25, 2010

👰Proč bychom se netěšili🥰když nám Pán Bůh🙌🏻zdraví dá💪?

BaronVonVaderham
Jul 31, 2011

All hail the queen!
That can't be a real, serious fashion show....please?

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



BaronVonVaderham posted:

That can't be a real, serious fashion show....please?

Outtakes from a fashion show

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

BaronVonVaderham posted:

That can't be a real, serious fashion show....please?

I think you may be the first one to notice those dresses aren't very practical! What were those fashion designer clowns thinking?

selec
Sep 6, 2003

BaronVonVaderham posted:

That can't be a real, serious fashion show....please?

You know how sometimes devs will get together for a game jam weekend and they show off weird little games they made, most of which don’t actually end up being widely distributed if at all, and are mostly about showing off interesting concepts, sometimes in ways that are almost not a game as we understand them at all, and also ways to present those concepts in more “normal” game concepts or code structures?

That’s what fashion shows like that are about. It’s insider-to-insider concept demos and craftsmanship.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012





Oh, the axis! Okay now it makes sense

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Hobbes posted:


(still from here)

It's one of those things where if you just take it at face value, you'd probably come away with the conclusion that that's just how it is, like a law of nature that black skin doesn't show up on film very well. Rather than a conscious decision.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

selec posted:

You know how sometimes devs will get together for a game jam weekend and they show off weird little games they made, most of which don’t actually end up being widely distributed if at all, and are mostly about showing off interesting concepts, sometimes in ways that are almost not a game as we understand them at all, and also ways to present those concepts in more “normal” game concepts or code structures?

That’s what fashion shows like that are about. It’s insider-to-insider concept demos and craftsmanship.

Its very funny to me that you have had to explain this to someone enoughthat you have figured out the exact metaphor you need to do so sucessfully

selec
Sep 6, 2003

Jezza of OZPOS posted:

Its very funny to me that you have had to explain this to someone enoughthat you have figured out the exact metaphor you need to do so sucessfully

This was actually my first take on it, it just makes sense as “tech demo” to me anytime I see these

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



Mega Comrade posted:

Camera film were calibrated using various stock photos. These were almost always white people and some Japanese people thrown in (as Japan dominated the industry) but it meant black skin tones absolutely sucked for decades.

https://www.npr.org/2014/11/13/363517842/for-decades-kodak-s-shirley-cards-set-photography-s-skin-tone-standard

I did not know that. Thank you!

cult_hero
Jul 10, 2001

selec posted:

You know how sometimes devs will get together for a game jam weekend and they show off weird little games they made, most of which don’t actually end up being widely distributed if at all, and are mostly about showing off interesting concepts, sometimes in ways that are almost not a game as we understand them at all, and also ways to present those concepts in more “normal” game concepts or code structures?

That’s what fashion shows like that are about. It’s insider-to-insider concept demos and craftsmanship.

It's just the new Bethesda spring line.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

I’m not gonna prepurchase Starfield, but I’m definitely gonna play the poo poo out of that crap heap

TheMostFrench
Jul 12, 2009

Stop for me, it's the claw!



After that Hitman mission, I would play a full fashion model game. I'm suprised it hasn't been in the Yakuza series yet.

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

Pookah posted:

I don't know if this is a good illustration of the issue, but it did strike me just how invisible the black model is, compared to white models in this video.

https://i.imgur.com/34MFtZq.mp4

edit: also that the entire concept of these dresses is magnificently silly.
When the graphics glitch in real life

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Pookah posted:

I don't know if this is a good illustration of the issue, but it did strike me just how invisible the black model is, compared to white models in this video.

https://i.imgur.com/34MFtZq.mp4

edit: also that the entire concept of these dresses is magnificently silly.

I thought she was wearing body paint because she seems to have her hair and nails done to match.

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Pookah posted:

I don't know if this is a good illustration of the issue, but it did strike me just how invisible the black model is, compared to white models in this video.

https://i.imgur.com/34MFtZq.mp4

edit: also that the entire concept of these dresses is magnificently silly.

While the skin tone issue continued into digital photography, it's mostly been fixed now, this example is 'mostly' a tech problem here. The camera is almost certainly a phone. Phone camera sensors are tiny so the dynamic range is very poor. Add in the poor lighting conditions and the camera just cannot handle it. Even the white people are blown out. The footage has probably been compressed a lot to further reducing colour detail.

A higher quality dedicated camera wouldn't struggle with that so much.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

BaronVonVaderham posted:

That can't be a real, serious fashion show....please?

"Haute couture" or "high fashion" is not about making clothes that humans will wear, it's about creating art.

Feliday Melody
May 8, 2021

I don't post here very much, but I thought that this one was suitable.

https://twitter.com/Edited_for_TV/status/1618624903300911104?s=20

What if... "don't talk to cops" but just talk to them a little bit. Just a little. Then voluntarily follow them and get locked in a room.

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012

Feliday Melody posted:

I don't post here very much, but I thought that this one was suitable.

https://twitter.com/Edited_for_TV/status/1618624903300911104?s=20

What if... "don't talk to cops" but just talk to them a little bit. Just a little. Then voluntarily follow them and get locked in a room.

Oh it gets worse:

https://twitter.com/mattzeitlin/status/1618290646703542273?s=61&t=MzLCVyvhUja6h1Q5SlSfPA

Yes Alec, please tell the cops how to do their jobs, they'll love it

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Data Graham posted:

So weird how facial recognition software ended up having the exact same problem, decades later.

It’s not that weird when you realise that the stereotypical white tech bro is actually not a new phenomenon

Fishstick
Jul 9, 2005

Does not require preheating
You can answer some of a cop's questions, as a treat

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

hawowanlawow posted:

this was a topic I learned about in college, a sociology course I think, but this article sums it up pretty well

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/lens/sarah-lewis-racial-bias-photography.html

kind of a problem inherent in the technology, but some companies were better than others and it was a conscious decision

As another example, I used to do tech theatre and lighting a stage to get the mood/effect that a director is looking for is more difficult when you also have to make people with different skin tones look equally good and well-lit. It's not something I was taught in school a quarter of a century ago so I had to learn on the job, but I'm told that it's more commonly part of what kids get taught nowadays.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

🍖🍖😛🍖🍖

Platystemon posted:

It is traditional to be buried at sea, to nourish the smooth lions.
I thought at first you meant like, sea lions and seals, but from the emphasis on smoothness I have to infer you are referring to the sharks.

Read After Burning
Feb 19, 2013

"All this, for me? 💃Ah, you didn't have to! 🥰"

https://twitter.com/davidmdejong/status/1611393082037002240

AM I RIGHT, FELLAS?!?

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Riot Carol Danvers posted:



Pro skateboarder is a turbo chud was not on my bingo card this month

It should be noted that she lost her rear end to a 10 year old cis girl, but sure, it's the transes who are ruining women's sports

It should also be noted that she entered a contest specifically to benefit LGBTQ+ skaters, lost to a trans woman, and then threw a fit about it. Now she's friends with Crowder and gone full #savewomenssports. The :unsmith: is that her IG feed is a deluge of comments about how hateful she is, coming from men and women skaters, trans and cis.

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗
(not responding to you, just the TRANSMAXXING)
That stuff all reads like someone's wank material. Like this is just another go round of conservatives finding the sissy hypnosis and bimbofication stuff and assuming it's a real manifesto and phenomenon.
Though it's kinda funny that this porn logic is pretty much indistinguishable from bad medical takes from 80 years ago, complete with "eh transmen probably exist, idk I guess this stuff probably applies to them ~somehow~ too"

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

HenryJLittlefinger posted:

It should also be noted that she entered a contest specifically to benefit LGBTQ+ skaters, lost to a trans woman, and then threw a fit about it. Now she's friends with Crowder and gone full #savewomenssports. The :unsmith: is that her IG feed is a deluge of comments about how hateful she is, coming from men and women skaters, trans and cis.

That loving figures. What a useless piece of poo poo.

I'm glad she's getting raked over the coals for it, and I hope it means she loses whatever sponsorships she does have.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!


All I will say is I never had to clean literal poo poo off the ceiling of the men's restroom.

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jjack229
Feb 14, 2008
Articulate your needs. I'm here to listen.

Garrand posted:

All I will say is I never had to clean literal poo poo off the ceiling of the men's restroom.

What I've heard from former bartenders is that on average the men's bathroom was worse than the women's. But, the worst states of the women's bathrooms were worse than the worst states of the men's bathroom.

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