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Bored Online posted:Quasi-related I have been painting the Minas Tirith troops in the new Middle Earth starter box, and they are great for learning layering. All the capes have deep folds, and the models have just the right amount of detail to not be overwhelming. Can also vouch that the rulebook is delightful. EdsTeioh posted:That's correct; that has basically all of the army lists and data sheets for everything. The various campaign books (Rohan at War and such) have alternate lists and specific scenarios, but aren't necessary. Just echoing this, but yeah Armies of LOTR is an excellent book as well, though it's technically from the previous edition. I doubt any major revisions will happen in the near future as the release schedule for MESBG is such a trickle that it seems we'd be at least a year out from a new version of it. There's nothing in it that's not compatible with the current rules as the new edition is mostly just a tidying up of previous editions, but it's probably worth having in the back of your head that if there are any new books in the future, this one is possibly one that is likely to see a refresh. Thankfully they have yet to go in the direction of faction specific books outside of campaigns. The individual faction lists are fairly short which likely makes individual books a challenge, but they managed to do it for Necromunda so anything is possible with GW. As for the models, yeah everything in that box is a solid kit. People have joked in the past that MESBG has both the best and worst models GW ever designed, with awkward melty-faced metal dudes next to incredibly generic men in armor, next to simple but evocative figures that genuinely look like their screen counterparts. However, I think GW has done a good job of cycling out the worst models from the range and either shelving them or replacing them with a modern redo. I just got the metal Faramir, and yeah he doesn't really at all look like his actor and is fairly dull, but the new plastic one, while unarmored, is straight from the movie. The sons of Elrond are another good example of how the current versions are far superior to the original take. Lumpy posted:I might buy it just for that. It's so absurd to me that this is only just recently becoming industry standard. Though I guess good technical writers and editors don't come cheap.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Just echoing this, but yeah Armies of LOTR is an excellent book as well, though it's technically from the previous edition. I doubt any major revisions will happen in the near future as the release schedule for MESBG is such a trickle that it seems we'd be at least a year out from a new version of it. There's nothing in it that's not compatible with the current rules as the new edition is mostly just a tidying up of previous editions, but it's probably worth having in the back of your head that if there are any new books in the future, this one is possibly one that is likely to see a refresh. Thankfully they have yet to go in the direction of faction specific books outside of campaigns. The individual faction lists are fairly short which likely makes individual books a challenge, but they managed to do it for Necromunda so anything is possible with GW. Aren't all the books from launch-now "technically" compatible with the current rulset? Man, I really hope they *don't* go to individual army books; the current setup is one of the biggest selling points on the game.
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Arbites police thriller kill team box super confirmed now:- 
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lol "ref: RBTz-KT23"
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Such a weird rear end time for an announcement. Did it last year too. I think they’re trying to maximize attendance at LVO (by letting people come in after flights and driving and maybe getting settled at their hotels) and also to make it at a time when the UK is sliiiightly awake? Anyway I agree it’s very weird
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It's the same with Adepticon - they do it on opening night, to allow people to arrive, check in, and get badges. They can't do it during events, because nobody would show up.Dull Fork posted:Ehh, isn't the entire season supposed to be taking place on a spacehulk? Aren't those supposed to be conglomerations of smashed together ships lost in the warp/realspace for centuries? That doesn't really jive with 'shipment of prisoners getting pounced upon by slavers'. Even weirder if the prison ship actually IS part of the spacehulk, and its still populated by the prison guards? Iono. Maybe I'm just grumpy.
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EdsTeioh posted:Aren't all the books from launch-now "technically" compatible with the current rulset? Man, I really hope they *don't* go to individual army books; the current setup is one of the biggest selling points on the game. Correct, at the moment everything is compatible with the new rulebook. It doesn't change anything major: it just tidies things up and is incredibly user friendly. I point out that this is GW we're talking about and a new edition of the corebook is as good a justification as any to start messing around with how the factions are presented. Nothing has been announced or even previewed so far as I know, but I figure if people intend to keep up with the meta, it's something they'd want to consider.
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Thoughts on new Kill Team Expansion reveal:- The Arbites team look very very cool, absolutely a fun faction to pick up! love the handgun dudes! I will absolutely pick up a team! The Terrain looks very good, fully breachable walls and fun panels, but sadly the walls are the same, dont know if it will be worth the price. but the destructible wall aspect is pretty cool Drukhari are extremely dissappointing, no Wytches, nothing fun, just normal spiked warriors. not into them. Overall, an OK expansion, I dont think I will buy it, I will absolutely buy the Arbites on their own though. I will wait for the final Expansion before deciding on an expansion. but the control panels and destructible walls do look cool though
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I’ll grab the Arbites and if there was a wall upgrade pack I’d get that for sure.
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Bloody weird that they spend so long talking about how mysterious and different the Gallowdark is, with ships from all different time periods and cultures and then the terrain is all the same walls with a single sprue of different stuff in each box. The first season of Kill Team, each box had fully different, really cool multi-level terrain from different planets. Or well, I haven't seen it irl or played on it, but it looked cool and thematic a least. I think the Drukhari look... fine. They're what I'd expect a Kill Team of them to look like, knowing that one of the Kill Teams in each box is usually just an upgrade sprue for a unit that already exists and then a set of that unit, I assume these are the basic infantry for the faction. Arbites look very cool, hopefully their rules are interesting but I'll probably wait to get them separately unless I can find someone willing to split the box cause I don't want a second set of the same walls even if it might be useful for other stuff in the future. With how long it's taking them to put out even the breachers/kroot separately it'll probably be awhile.
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Finally Wahapedia has shadowvaults rules in it, what a relief I can now use my custom made turret and drones! I think the two redeeming features of the new box is that the terrain has more substantial feature differences (breachable walls and more stuff like control panels and command decks) and definitely the arbites are super cool. but the drukhari team is a massive let down, is there any way to incorporate their Wytches monsters and snake people and such into the game? this definitely feels like an expansion that's a 7/10 it might be worth it it for the unique terrain features and arbites but definitely super disappointing that GW has taken the lazy way with their terrain, super disappointing. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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Al-Saqr posted:but the drukhari team is a massive let down, is there any way to incorporate their Wytches monsters and snake people and such into the game? I think the compendium has a team that can use 5 Wyches as half your Kill Team but no, don't think any of the other monsters can be used for any Dark Eldar squad, it's either that compendium one (commorites if you wanna look it up), these new guys or the Corsair Voidscarred who are similarly monsterless. It's a bit arbitrary what's considered above the "paygrade" in Kill Team to me. Stuff like Dreadnaughts, Terminators and such are right out of course, the Bloodied Chaos renegade Kill Team has an Ogryn on it and the Tyranid and Genestealer ones from the compendium have some of their nasty monsters as options (like you can use the Kellermorph who in 40k is 80 points on his own, he's much less nuts in KT but still quite good I think). For most of the other factions it's just the basic infantry and elite stuff but usually the elite stuff is like, you can only have 6 of them as your entire Kill Team or whatever. I never played the previous incarnation of Kill Team but that did let you use a lot more varied stuff from what I can gather. I suppose the difficulty is that essentially that just makes it as complicated and hard to balance as regular 40k? The current incarnations version where you have pretty limited options of x amount of specialists with unique abilities/gear but they're all the same basic dude usually is probably easier to balance. Cheaper to buy in as well cause it's just one box of infantry to make a full Kill Team usually. Maybe two if you wanna have all the specialists without magnestising their weapon arms. thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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thebardyspoon posted:Bloody weird that they spend so long talking about how mysterious and different the Gallowdark is, with ships from all different time periods and cultures and then the terrain is all the same walls with a single sprue of different stuff in each box. The first season of Kill Team, each box had fully different, really cool multi-level terrain from different planets. Or well, I haven't seen it irl or played on it, but it looked cool and thematic a least. I’m surprised that they didn’t even take the opportunity to make the additional unique terrain pieces in each box themed to different factions. Like, okay fine, all the walls are Imperium themed (since every box is gonna have an Imperium team, I guess), but they could have had Necron or T’au styled scatter terrain pieces instead of whatever boxes & broken pipes. The holographic table in this new box is cool, but it really just feels like they never really intended to explore this idea of a Space Hulk. They just wanted to have close-quarters maps, and a Space Hulk Setting gives the best reason why random factions would be fighting. Although… thinking about the original Space Hulk game, those boards were nothing more than just Imperium Ship interior, so this isn’t straying too far from precident. But if I remember the lore, That Space Hulk was specifically the remains of multiple Imperial ships (maybe that depends on edition), whereas the Gallowdark is described as a mess of broken and merged ships. The walls don’t even give that good of an impression that this is a derelict craft, aside from some broken pipes & wiring. All that being said, they are pretty nice modular walls.
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Maybe the really cool, varied terrain didn't sell? Terrain seems like a tricky prospect to market, maybe most people who've been into the game for ages already have what they want/need and can just supplement that with cheaper printed terrain that isn't so hard to lug around and then folks who don't just play at stores or at friends who do have it.
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Have people started making Printable terrain that’s compatible with these walls yet? Seems like the natural conclusion for this system, but I’m not in any 3D printing groups or anything. Edit: okay, yeah it exists. Only found some recreations of the current terrain, but I’m sure someone’s made some unique stuff out there. Desfore fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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I was looking for it on Thingiverse but couldn’t find any. Is there some good free stuff out there?
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$40 gets you a whole set of modular walls that can even be made into actual terrain https://a.co/d/2ERWjEM
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Spanish Manlove posted:$40 gets you a whole set of modular walls that can even be made into actual terrain Hell yes these look amazing
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Professor Shark posted:I was looking for it on Thingiverse but couldn’t find any. Is there some good free stuff out there? A quick google popped up some stuff on Cults3D. Just search for “Gallowdark” and stuff should pop up. https://cults3d.com/en/tags/gallowdark The approximate KT-equivalent isn’t free, but there seems to be Fallout Vault inspired walls that are. Desfore fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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Is there a list somewhere that says like this Sisters 40k model can be this Sisters KT model? The local group wants to start KT and ive got a line on huge pile of 40k Sisters for cheap. Also I don't know anything about either game.
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Cat Face Joe posted:Is there a list somewhere that says like this Sisters 40k model can be this Sisters KT model? The local group wants to start KT and ive got a line on huge pile of 40k Sisters for cheap. Also I don't know anything about either game. Does the model have a gun / weapon that looks kind of like the KT model? Congrats, you can use it!
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Cat Face Joe posted:Is there a list somewhere that says like this Sisters 40k model can be this Sisters KT model? The local group wants to start KT and ive got a line on huge pile of 40k Sisters for cheap. Also I don't know anything about either game. As long as you are clear which model is representing which operative on your roster, and you've got WYSIWYG for things like weapons and grenades (and even then, I'm not sure if anyone is going to get mad that your melee weapons aren't exactly modeled correctly, it really comes down the shooty weapons), no one is going to give a poo poo, generally. There are a lot of people using existing models to proxy teams. The cadian box set dropped recently for 40k, and a lot of people were turning models in there into a VG team for KT. Just make sure that your models have the correct base size for their respective operative in KT, and you should be good to go. Having a look at the kt noviatites box to see what is what should give you a good starting idea of what you are aiming for.
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Cat Face Joe posted:Is there a list somewhere that says like this Sisters 40k model can be this Sisters KT model? The local group wants to start KT and ive got a line on huge pile of 40k Sisters for cheap. Also I don't know anything about either game. Yeah, every 40K faction has a KT. Get yourself a copy of the KT Compendium 2021. If you want the Novitiates, you'll need the KT Chalnath book too.
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Captain Magic posted:I’ll grab the Arbites and if there was a wall upgrade pack I’d get that for sure. Yeah same, I'm not buying a box that has a whole team thats half assed (and I'm starting to feel that way about Hierotek Circle too), and walls I already have 2 copies of, even if the extra bits are super cool. Let the waiting for individual team boxes begin!
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berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah, every 40K faction has a KT. Get yourself a copy of the KT Compendium 2021. If you want the Novitiates, you'll need the KT Chalnath book too. Not so fast, Votann, you have to wait for a bit...
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thebardyspoon posted:Maybe the really cool, varied terrain didn't sell? Terrain seems like a tricky prospect to market, maybe most people who've been into the game for ages already have what they want/need and can just supplement that with cheaper printed terrain that isn't so hard to lug around and then folks who don't just play at stores or at friends who do have it. Most people I know see the official GW terrain in these boxed sets as a burden and not something they want. Terrain is bulky to store and takes even more shelf space than models. Only one player needs to bring terrain to any given game. Most people I know end up playing in-store anyways, and the local stores all have piles of terrain ready to go. In my immediate group of 3 people I play the most often with, we play at my house most of the time, so I have the terrain. I bring terrain if we play at a friend's. If I'm playing outside that group, I'll just play in-store at the local shop and use the shop's terrain. For people who do still want terrain after all that, FDM 3D printing can make great terrain quickly, some people like laser cut terrain which can also be done super quick. I've ended up with a lot of GW terrain out of it just coming in the other boxes, but I still have a ton of 3D printed stuff, too.
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Spanish Manlove posted:I would be all over the new box if it was any team other than dark eldar. Those DE are aggressively boring. At first I thought they just included the existing warriors with an upgrade sprue. I love the little table though. That's absolutely getting some Epic figures stuck in there.
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It's a real shame all the Compendium teams are not worth playing if you have the option for a real one. Two teams a boxed set is such a pain, one of the main reasons I abandoned Kill Team early. Hopefully they will compile them all in a new edition or something eventually.
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moths posted:Those DE are aggressively boring. At first I thought they just included the existing warriors with an upgrade sprue. It's not just the existing warriors with an upgrade sprue??? moths posted:I love the little table though. That's absolutely getting some Epic terminators and genestealers stuck in there.
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Eediot Jedi posted:It's not just the existing warriors with an upgrade sprue??? Based on the warhammer community article it seems like it is an upgrade.
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Vulpes Vulpes posted:Is this helmet off the Kabalite sprue or an upgrade? I think it's neat. That has been the least popular head on the Kabalite sprue since day one. I kinda dig it, but there are people out there that HAAAAATE it.
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Lucinice posted:Based on the warhammer community article it seems like it is an upgrade. poo poo I misread that. Ok it's as boring as I thought.
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Hey guys, I have some really great news to report today! a couple days ago one of my co-workers asked to go play kill team, this is the second time I’ve been able to play a real game with other people, so we agreed to meet in the same card game hobby shop as before. So becuase I thought it would be just me and him I brought with me my gallowdark stuff and my octarious stuff, since I thought now we would be playing actual real missions and scenarios. but, while we were there a couple people saw me setting up the board and asked me about the game, they were two Yu-gi-oh players, I invited them to play the game with me and my co-worker and they agreed! so I scrapped the more complex terrain and set up a quick basic terrain setup with symmetrical cover and objectives and split my Imperial guard and Orks into teams to accomidate four players. Not only did we have a wonderful time, another person walked up and mentioned he actually likes 40k and sat down with us, then two arab americans showed up and it turns out he actually plays 40k and had a space marine and necron armies! And when I showed them whats in store with the gallowdark and full octarius terrain they loved it! We all exchanged contact info, and we all decided to meet bi-weekly to play kill team and 40k!!! We even set up a whatsapp group for all of us! I went from one person to play kill team with to SIX in one evening!! I am absolutely gonna buy more teams now so they can join in! The question is, how am I going to get four people to play a gallowdark mission? Do I expand and get soulshackle? I wonder, I might actually be able to play boarding actions with the two normal 40k fans I met!!! Good times! 
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