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Klyith posted:At 2-4 hours per week you'll be playing for a long time. Like, you can still make progress but you're gonna be playing for a hella long time. Playing for a really long time is fine as long as there's some progress every week. In fact it might work well, we're constantly struggling to find co-op games that support 5 players. Setting up a persistent server is easy, one of the guys in the group does that regularly for games like this. The only issue with persistent servers is that we've had problems where someone in the group would put in 10x the hours everyone else was so it wasn't much fun for the other 4 in the weekly session. That someone was definitely me when we were on Valheim. After that happened with a few games in a row we might have learned our lesson though.
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oXDemosthenesXo posted:Playing for a really long time is fine as long as there's some progress every week. In fact it might work well, we're constantly struggling to find co-op games that support 5 players. There will be progress every week for a month or two. When you hit tier 5 & 6 it gets much slower, but by that point you'll either be hooked or you won't. oXDemosthenesXo posted:Setting up a persistent server is easy, one of the guys in the group does that regularly for games like this. The only issue with persistent servers is that we've had problems where someone in the group would put in 10x the hours everyone else was so it wasn't much fun for the other 4 in the weekly session. That someone was definitely me when we were on Valheim. After that happened with a few games in a row we might have learned our lesson though. So the good thing about someone putting in extra hours is that everything is global unlocks and one person grinding won't make them overpowered. If that guy unlocks the jetpack, everyone can have a jetpack. The bad thing is that y'all might come back and the game has gone from making steel to making computers and everyone else is kinda lost looking at the jump in complexity.
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I used the dedicated server while playing entirely solo, partly so that I could leave it running in the background producing without having the game client itself running, but mostly so that when the game client had one of its frequent crashes I wouldn't lose anything because it hadn't autosaved in a while.
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Jan 26, 2023 16:06
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Klyith posted:There will be progress every week for a month or two. When you hit tier 5 & 6 it gets much slower, but by that point you'll either be hooked or you won't. This happened with me. Started up together and a couple days later there was a 30 belt bus system set up with a smart splitter sushi belt sorter from a train station input. I hosed off to build satellite factories to train stuff in until I took a copy of the save and went to SP with it
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Jan 26, 2023 16:17
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oXDemosthenesXo posted:Playing for a really long time is fine as long as there's some progress every week. In fact it might work well, we're constantly struggling to find co-op games that support 5 players. In my game I have a guy who does this but he's an artist and isn't as interested in the factory building stuff, so he'll go in for 8 hours and explore for new resource nodes and other goodies, and will also build structures and decorations around my and the other player's spaghetti mess. This is the ideal outcome in all ways. If you think someone is gonna log in and dump 8 hours into advancing the tech tree that will probably kinda suck for everyone else if I'm being honest. There will be a massive jump in complexity everyone suddenly has to deal with. Your server guy might also want to do regular resets of the server, when a single session is running for too long historically that causes substantial performance problems. Idk if they fixed that in the 2 more recent updates though I haven't been able to convince my buddies to play in a little bit.
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Thanks for the multiplayer advice everyone. I pitched the game last night and I think the guys are interested so we'll probably give it a go when we're bored with our current game.
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The game slowed down for me around the time I was dealing with oil, I started having enough projects to think about that I'd spend days or weeks figuring one out and just switch to another. Multiple people might make that part easier. You'll also probably struggle with having enough power for the first chunk of the game, that's one job that someone could work on for a long time and not really effect what other people are doing in a negative way. It sucks to finish a nice big steel factory or something and it immediately shuts down because you don't produce enough power. Transport also becomes an issue, setting up a rail network or trucks takes a large amount of time. Aluminum production is a hell of a thing to figure out. Ongoing exploration for hard drives. Producing enough consumables (med inhalers, ammo, nobelisks, etc) and equipment for everyone to have what they need would be no small thing and they can't necessarily be automated (there's no way to make inhalers from 100% mined resources right?) Then of course is the ongoing struggle to make things pretty. I have a ring railroad around the map but I'd really like to make some nice big bridges instead of having things just floating out in space.
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The trick is to play with people who don't step on each other's toes and more importantly, can tolerate each other's chaos. I play a duos game with my partner and while she loves dumb projects and handling transport, whenever we have to make something like a heavy modular frame assembly line that's left to me (and I like it). Don't look under any foundations we use to hide our belt spaghetti.
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boxen posted:(there's no way to make inhalers from 100% mined resources right?) Unfortunately no. There are four different recipes for inhalers but they all require plants/fungus or animal parts and none of them can be automated. It used to be one of the main things I wanted in the game but after regenerating health was introduced it's not that big a deal.
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I turn all creatures to passive instantly. They don’t add anything to the game for me
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Jan 26, 2023 20:07
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SettingSun posted:The trick is to play with people who don't step on each other's toes and more importantly, can tolerate each other's chaos. I play a duos game with my partner and while she loves dumb projects and handling transport, whenever we have to make something like a heavy modular frame assembly line that's left to me (and I like it). Don't look under any foundations we use to hide our belt spaghetti. If I do end playing with my group I'll have to let go of my need to keep things neat and organized. With only a few hours a week to gently caress around that shouldn't be too difficult. The group's game personalities range from "efficiency at all costs" to "chaos elemental" so these things are always interesting.
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euphronius posted:I turn all creatures to passive instantly. They don’t add anything to the game for me I went so far as to get the mod that not only removes the creatures entirely but also removes gas pockets. None of that enhances my gameplay in any way shape or form
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CainFortea posted:I went so far as to get the mod that not only removes the creatures entirely but also removes gas pockets. None of that enhances my gameplay in any way shape or form Yeah, the noises they make are disgusting to me, so passive doesn't work. Also I did the same with gas after I found out there's no way to remove them. I'm fine working around stuff if there's an official way to deal with it down the line but if it's just persistent than no thanks.
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Animal protein is a great boost to sink ticket sales so I actually go out of my way to bash some heads now. Or rather, shoot at them with these hugely damaging bolts of explosive rebar.
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SettingSun posted:more importantly, can tolerate each other's chaos. I When my brother goes off to make a factory and I go to check on his progress: 
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When my partner goes to make something and asks me to check it out I can only go 'looks good babe!' while screaming internally.
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BELTS           Still a lot of work to be done but that's the hardest part out of the way. Setting up the item mall is always one of the best parts of any playthrough, looking forward to having this one functional.
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Has anyone got any tips for nuclear power? I am at the stage where I need to spin up another power plant and I've just unlocked nuclear, just not sure if it is going to be a massive pita compared to another fuel plant.
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:BELTS Are the trucks acting as the overflow relief in this set up ? Hard for me to see things on my phone euphronius fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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Dravs posted:Has anyone got any tips for nuclear power? I am at the stage where I need to spin up another power plant and I've just unlocked nuclear, just not sure if it is going to be a massive pita compared to another fuel plant. Nuclear is going to be a big pain to set up compared to fuel, but that's the fun of it. It requires basically everything, and needs you to figure out a way to deal with the waste. In return you're probably never going to have to worry about power again. Compared to oil there's not much in the way of secret tips for efficiency or anything. The nuclear items have alternate recipes but they're not objectively better. Just settle in to build a nice new facility to handle it. A bit later you'll unlock plutonium power, which offers you a choice between being able to sink the fuel rods (making your nuclear power infinitely sustainable) or burn them for quite a lot more power. Up to you which way you want to go. Tenebrais fucked around with this message at 13:04 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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if you're gonna go nuclear I say just find your most convenient uranium ore node, max it out with a mark 3 miner with 3 power shards, and base your production around that number. it's going to be roughly the same level of complicated whether you build 1 nuke gen or 12, so go big. getting the base power itself up and running is a task but not ridiculous-- adding on the waste management components to sink plutonium fuel rods gives it a whole other level of complexity. it is definitely manageable though, and I now have 66 gigawatts of power!
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euphronius posted:Are the trucks acting as the overflow relief in this set up ? There are 33 truck stations linked to 33 storage bins, each station acts as a dropoff point for a specific building material. Fuel (batteries at this point) is brought in by the drone port and distributed to all the stations. Not going to do overflow at the mall, I always do that at the subfactories producing the supplies. Every delivery route will be run by Cyberwagons being launched across the world by bounce pads. Probably underestimating what a hassle this will be. 
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Sarcasm doesn't come through written word quite so well.
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M_Gargantua posted:Sarcasm doesn't come through written word quite so well. I 100% believe they're serious
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If you mean NoEyedSquareGuy, that is not sarcasm... They have done some crazy stuff, like all factory cart worlds. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3884092&userid=148423&perpage=40&pagenumber=4#post519553835
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100% real thing I'm doing. Cyber wagons are a silly easter egg but it's still possible to use them for automation and throughput doesn't really matter for an item mall. They have square wheels and drive like you would expect, can only transport one item stack at a time, and consume fuel faster than any other vehicle. They're the shittiest possible choice for transporting materials, worse than factory carts even, but they have a unique property where driving one onto a bounce pad will send them flying about 20 times farther than what the indicator shows. Might actually be easier to set up than the factory cart only world, and I don't have to build the big towers everywhere this time.
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But does it magically not unload as a physics object when it gets too far away from the player? All the other vehicles become abstractions at distance.
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It will become simplified at a distance but the route will still work. The introduction of ghosting made vehicle routes 100% reliable as long as they don't gridlock with another vehicle, even if something weird happens with the physics and they get knocked off course they'll ghost to the next node in the route after a few seconds.
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Oh thats a nice fix.
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Entirely blueprint constructed 20GW fuel plant in progress.  About 75% done. The best part about this is that right next door is my game's original 20GW fuel plant. It took me like two/three weeks to build and when I was done I decided to take a break from the game, just completely burnt out. This took me 2ish days to design the blueprints to my liking (98% of that time on aesthetics) and I threw this much of the plant up in a single day. The old plant is 4 floors of generators and a floor of refineries/blenders. This one is a single floor. The building is so long that I'm running into the map's limits. I didn't know until today that the game will begin to kill you for straying outside the invisible border.
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Tenebrais posted:A bit later you'll unlock plutonium power, which offers you a choice between being able to sink the fuel rods (making your nuclear power infinitely sustainable) or burn them for quite a lot more power. Up to you which way you want to go. IMO do not build a nuke plant without having plutonium unlocked and part of your build plan. If you're making large amounts of power -- enough that nukes are a good idea vs a turbo blend plant -- you're making too much waste to store. OTOH totally agreed that the alt recipes for nuke stuff aren't needed or even really a good idea for most people. Pretty much all of them are to use uranium ore more efficiently at the cost of more buildings & more inputs. But you really don't need to use uranium more efficiently, a single node is up to like 75GW already. (And making plutonium more efficiently is straight up counterproductive if the goal is to have zero waste.)
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Ice Fist posted:Entirely blueprint constructed 20GW fuel plant in progress. Generator house done. Easily the longest building I've done right next to one of the tallest 
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So I haven't played this in years. Glad to see Blueprints in but the size is very restrictive, I can't even figure out how to get a 2 row setup of smelters to fit in this square.
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socialsecurity posted:So I haven't played this in years. Glad to see Blueprints in but the size is very restrictive, I can't even figure out how to get a 2 row setup of smelters to fit in this square. Embrace V E R T I C A L I T Y
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CainFortea posted:Embrace I refuse Factorio was too good for a Z-axis so I'm gonna pretend this is too!
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socialsecurity posted:So I haven't played this in years. Glad to see Blueprints in but the size is very restrictive, I can't even figure out how to get a 2 row setup of smelters to fit in this square. Did you mean more than 2 rows of smelters? Because 2 rows of smelters fits in the BP box just fine:  Foundries too: 
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How about a coal generator? After looking it up and seeing that the hoverpack is gated behind like, the entire game, I cheated myself one with an editor and it is actually unbelievable they don't give you access to this earlier. It's restricted enough with the power pole distances and power usage requirements. I would say probably half my time playing is fighting with the camera/perspective and undoing things I placed just one square off, or getting back to places I fell off of or other poo poo. This should be unlocked with coal. When you are placing walls on a square and they meet at the edge you get this little guy:  Is that just how it is
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It's done.      I used the map editor to delete the only plant and I'm going to copy this one (I feel like I've paid my dues building two plants already). Then I'm not touching fuel power again for the rest of the playthrough. I'll be ~20 GW ahead of my max consumption which should be enough to get me to nuclear after I get drones going.
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All that fuel stuff is kind of off-putting, considering how large of a grid of the same it becomes, bringing some weird uniformity. Some double efficiency Mk.2 type of buildings to reduce the footprint would be nice. I've been trying some decentralized power generation before my hiatus, to break it up visually, but that requires hauling fuel around the map.
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zoux posted:How about a coal generator? They fixed the coal generators so they fit in the BP box, so yes you can do those. zoux posted:When you are placing walls on a square and they meet at the edge you get this little guy: Yes. Walls used to be thinner and that notch was less visible, but it caused a lot of clipping and z-fighting issues. So now they have some thickness but you get indents. You can use beams or small pillars to make a decorative corner or quoins, it looks good on large builds. I really like the wall styling! Particularly on the generator section. Combat Pretzel posted:All that fuel stuff is kind of off-putting, considering how large of a grid of the same it becomes, bringing some weird uniformity. Some double efficiency Mk.2 type of buildings to reduce the footprint would be nice. Power shards are better now. IMO a 250% machine is balanced about where I'd call a good mk2 version. And they've always been great for generators. But also, that isn't that huge of a build that Ice Fist has there. It's just very long, and the main production space looks like it has some high ceilings so a lot of airspace. I think I'd have run the generator hall at right angles to make an overall T shape, which would make it a bit more visually compact from the outside. But I also always shard my fuel generators.
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