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Twerk from Home posted:Back in my day, system requirements said “Hardware transform and lighting” and you better believe people didn’t try and handwave about how their Voodoo3 was actually comparable to a GeForce, they just cried. Very specifically, 3DMark 2000 made use of hardware t&l... BUT.. I remember running the demo on a voodoo3 3000 AGP, and nobody (in person, at the time) could figure out why. It ran, in its entirety I'm one of those guys (except not). I never got an answer as to why the demo ran.. NOT the full benchmark, parts were skipped 3Dmark 2000 was totally iconic in my eyes, but probably means dick all to people these days. I don't have the hardware in front of me to test, as it's in another country (or, at worst, thrown out) HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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Jan 27, 2023 19:13
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If I wanted to do a very dumb thing, does anyone actually sell pre-waterblocked 4090s? The only model I can even find evidence of existing is some Inno3D thing that doesn't appear to even be sold in the US.
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Jan 27, 2023 19:54
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I was looking at 3090s on ebay and I saw this. Makes me think of those anti-pigeon spike strips that don't work.
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Jan 27, 2023 21:01
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Kramjacks posted:I was looking at 3090s on ebay and I saw this. galaxy brain
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repiv posted:i suppose, but system requirements are usually taken as a rough performance guideline that can be fudged a bit, rather than a hard cut-off where the game won't run at all Wow that’s actually crazy, that’s… everything pre-Vega actually, and also knocks off Xbox One and One X family (and presumably PS4 family but they don’t have an official DX level). Like that’s actually a crazy recent cutoff, Polaris isn’t that old, only just… 7 years?  But yeah there are gonna be some unhappy 480/580 owners if that becomes the pattern… and pricing has been downhill from there, that was the last of the Good Cheap Mainstream Cards. Still runs on Maxwell though, it’s all about that long-term support story, aging like a fine wine  (unironically tho bringing DX12 11_0 support to Fermi even if it’s not great was a nice gift for the community that NVIDIA didn’t have to do, especially in an era when AMD was dropping early GCN support let alone adding features, and there was no real profit motive in doing a big driver update for something that old.)
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power crystals posted:If I wanted to do a very dumb thing, does anyone actually sell pre-waterblocked 4090s? The only model I can even find evidence of existing is some Inno3D thing that doesn't appear to even be sold in the US. The only other thing I've seen is the factory AIO models from Gigabyte, MSI, and Colorful, which you probably already looked at and ruled out. I recall seeing the MSI model, at least, coming up often enough on a stock alert discord that it seems realistically obtainable. If your very dumb thing involves aggressive overclocking and/or benchmark chasing, I'd suggest just biting the bullet and doing it yourself. Seems like the competitive overclocking crowd do a lot of fiddling with setups anyway due to ram temp sensitivity issues. Apparently the GDDR6X doesn't like to run cold, and watercooling easily gets you into a tricky range to work with. eviltastic fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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eviltastic posted:The only other thing I've seen is the factory AIO models from Gigabyte, MSI, and Colorful, which you probably already looked at and ruled out. I recall seeing the MSI model, at least, coming up often enough on a stock alert discord that it seems realistically obtainable. Nah, not extreme OC, just open-loop cooling the thing in general. While EK has blocks for quite a few different models I was just hoping it was possible to not have to disassemble the thing myself. I have seen that MSI AIO in stock occasionally as well, but the lack of user maintainability on GPU AIOs has always put me off those.
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Jan 27, 2023 22:45
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Minimum requirements could definitely be clearer. I spent a couple years with my Phenom II 965 BE as my main machine, and with a mild overclock it was keeping up with games pretty drat well. Then games started requiring SSE 4 or whatever instruction set, and I started having to search before buying a game to make sure it was going to work on my otherwise competent system. That different studios have a very different approach to system requirements, with the most common approach seeming to be to overstate the requirements a fair amount, doesn't help matters.
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Jan 27, 2023 22:50
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OK how is it I got an Asus laptop made 2 weeks ago with an RTX 3060 in it that has: - no Gsync or VRR support for the 120hz OLED panel - no Advanced Optimus - no resizable bar - no ability to undervolt with Afterburner as this laptop continues to cook my loins Like, are these some big technical hurdles to include or did they just... neglect to do it?
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Zero VGS posted:OK how is it I got an Asus laptop made 2 weeks ago with an RTX 3060 in it that has: Because it was cheap.
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Zero VGS posted:OK how is it I got an Asus laptop made 2 weeks ago with an RTX 3060 in it that has: -GSync is a power sucker and heat generator, I think there's a good argument for it to really not be a good fit for laptops. -I think Asus is using MUXs and Advanced Optimus on their 2023 models going forward, they only had it for certain models before now. There's a cost implication and a "what engineering can we reuse across our models" implication. -Which laptop do you have? You may need to enable it in BIOS or get a firmware upgrade, ex: https://www.reddit.com/r/ASUSROG/comments/my8rkt/resizable_bar_on_laptops/ Or maybe not, in which case I have no idea why it wouldn't be there. Lazy BIOS development probably. -I think undervolting was disabled to avoid the plundervolt vulnerability. ASUS laptops should manage power itself, setting it to "Silent" for instance will use less power. This isn't as nice as something like afterburner for a power user but it gets you most of the way there.
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Jan 27, 2023 23:44
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Burning more power and overheating laptops because some infosec guys wrote a conference paper
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seeing some people say dlss for dead space is a vaseline filter. i guess either the the lod bias is busted and borking mipmaps, or nvidia separating the sharpness from dlss is making some kind of mess of things? someone has a comparison: https://www.resetera.com/threads/dead-space-remake-pc-performance-thread.680245/page-6#post-100340722 e: nvm! https://twitter.com/Dachsjaeger/status/1619064235384016896
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Lockback posted:-GSync is a power sucker and heat generator, I think there's a good argument for it to really not be a good fit for laptops. GSync doesn't run all the time with Advanced Optimus. It only engages when you start a game and the NVIDIA GPU takes over. G-Sync is a great fit for laptops because the power and thermal constraints lead to less stable framerates.
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kliras posted:seeing some people say dlss for dead space is a vaseline filter. i guess either the the lod bias is busted and borking mipmaps, or nvidia separating the sharpness from dlss is making some kind of mess of things? VRS is one of those technologies that on paper sounds like free performance but actually comes with a real cost to image quality (the effect can be dialed down, but then so will the uplift).
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Jan 28, 2023 01:26
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Every single VRS implementation I've ever seen has either a) done literally nothing (e.g. hitman), or b) completely ruined image quality, with nothing in between.
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i think there's possibly room for VRS to improve if it's integrated with temporal upscalers, i.e. focus more samples on freshly disoccluded areas, while undersampling areas with a lot of samples accumilated neither DLSS or FSR currently support that kind of feedback though
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Lockback posted:-GSync is a power sucker and heat generator, I think there's a good argument for it to really not be a good fit for laptops. When I say Gsync I mean, there's no dedicated Gsync chips on laptops so Nvidia does freesync for the laptop panels and calls it Gsync. But this laptop doesn't even have that even though it's been a thing for years now! Almost forgot, doesn't have Mux switch either. When I'm running Warframe for example, it says the 3060 is using 48% 3D capability and 18% Copy, and that the Intel UHD graphics is using 65% 3D capability. Why is the iGPU doing that much work when the dGPU is doing all the rendering?
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Zero VGS posted:Why is the iGPU doing that much work when the dGPU is doing all the rendering? quote:doesn't have Mux switch Rendering has to pass through the igpu
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Jan 28, 2023 06:35
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give these people this: they know to actually give you the pcie brackets you need for something of this size https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1619371732124553219 e: https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1619375009314795520 kliras fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jan 28, 2023 |
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Jan 28, 2023 17:36
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power crystals posted:Nah, not extreme OC, just open-loop cooling the thing in general. While EK has blocks for quite a few different models I was just hoping it was possible to not have to disassemble the thing myself. I have seen that MSI AIO in stock occasionally as well, but the lack of user maintainability on GPU AIOs has always put me off those. They're not too bad to apply tbh. The biggest pain in the rear end is cutting thermal pads to size and trying to get the plastic backing off them.
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Does it come with a case large enough to actually fit the card? That should be a bundle you could buy.
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Jan 28, 2023 19:34
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I think it's assumed if you're buying this you're running a full tower. So I look forward to SFF maniacs trying to fit it in an NR200.
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grack posted:Does it come with a case large enough to actually fit the card? That should be a bundle you could buy. I mean it should just come with its own case and power supply at this point
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Jan 28, 2023 19:46
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egpu enclosure stocks on the rise
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kliras posted:egpu enclosure stocks on the rise  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlYHPj-0DTE
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well that's slightly worse than the 20-30% performance drop-off the benchmark i saw suggested. yikes. speaking of gpu's being a mess, i finally got an overpriced evga powerlink just to mess around with and keep for fun, and of all the possible incompatibility issues with my own gpu i could have predicted, the pcie connectors being upside-down compared to my own gpu was not one of them. why must standardization be such a mess kliras fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jan 28, 2023 |
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Jan 28, 2023 21:06
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Is it too late to post my avocados? AMD 5900x, Geforce 3080 (strix), WD_BLACK SN850, PCIE4, bridge slot, Windows 11 bypass io disabled due to filter  bypass io enabled 
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I've an eclectic setup with 4 SSDs and one platter, so lets see. Win10 so no bypassio. Avocadoes (loading 5.49gb) take between 3.7 and 5 seconds when loading from my platter drive (Seagate Barracuda 2tb) A repeatable, exact 2.64 seconds from my SATA 860 EVO And right about ~0.5 from my various NVME drives (one 970 EVO Plus, two BPX Pros) While eating as low as 7% and as much as 30% CPU usage. i7-9700k, 64gb ram, 10gb 3080. Arrath fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jan 28, 2023 |
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Jan 28, 2023 21:43
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kliras posted:give these people this: they know to actually give you the pcie brackets you need for something of this size 800W seems like a nonsense spec with the new fire hazard of a cable only being rated for 600.
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it'll probably use a pair of 12VHPWRs it''ll probably also be "up to" 800W, like how the 4090 is "up to" 600W but is configured for 450W out of the box
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If it's marketed as a Titan it's also a card meant solely for workstation machines, though I don't doubt Nvidia are at least thinking about making it a 4090Ti and pushing it as the ULTIMATE 8K GAMING CARD.
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njsykora posted:making it a 4090Ti and pushing it as the ULTIMATE 8K GAMING CARD. That was the 3090. 4090 Ti has to be 16K. It's marketing law
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Let's see if it has 48GB of VRAM since that'd put it up against the Ada 6000 workstation card which is priced a lot higher.
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kliras posted:give these people this: they know to actually give you the pcie brackets you need for something of this size If you need proof the atx standard is dumb and out this is it.
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EngineerJoe posted:Is it too late to post my avocados? mx500 sata 4tb:  hp ex920 1tb pcie3 nvme: 
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Wanna see how that gigantor is gonna fare on AvocadoMark
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