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MassRafTer posted:The most complete old match is Earl Caddock vs Joe Stecher from 1920 whoa awesome thanks. Queueing these up right now. e: god drat how long doe this initial lockup take lol Hirez fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jan 27, 2023 |
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Somewhere out there, I have to believe, there exists some amateur footage of an old-timer in the 1980s yelling at Cornette about his love of fake, hokey, bullshit spot-fest wrestling
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Jan 27, 2023 23:15
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Those guys need to learn how to work.
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Jan 27, 2023 23:25
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Dr. Quarex posted:Somewhere out there, I have to believe, there exists some amateur footage of an old-timer in the 1980s yelling at Cornette about his love of fake, hokey, bullshit spot-fest wrestling No but listen, you seen this poo poo? Who the gently caress does Jim Cornette think he is, thinking this hokey bullshit passes as REAL professional wrestling? These fuckin ballet dancers wouldn't hold a candle to Bruno Sammartino or Buddy Rogers! why, the only real wrestling happening nowadays is in All Japan! Jumbo Tsuruta and Kerry Von Erich just had one of the greatest matches I've ever seen! None of this spotfest poo poo, just real grappling by real professional wrestlers! I know Jumbo will never do me wrong by exposing the business like one of Jim Olivier's geeks! *two years later* WHAT the gently caress IS THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvPA36FJp0c
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Jan 28, 2023 00:08
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Dr. Quarex posted:Somewhere out there, I have to believe, there exists some amateur footage of an old-timer in the 1980s yelling at Cornette about his love of fake, hokey, bullshit spot-fest wrestling You joke but a lot of older wrestlers really did hate Ric Flair and thought the Midnight Express (specifically Bobby Eaton) did too many high spots
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Jan 28, 2023 17:57
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Every now and again WWE decide they should just recruit legit athletes straight out of college, rather than actual pro wrestlers. Usually this is amateur wrestlers and football players, but have they ever tried to go after gymnasts? I feel like they’d be the ideal convert: flippydudes with great physiques, who tend to retire from their sport pretty young. Maybe they’re just far too short for WWE tastes…?
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Jan 28, 2023 19:24
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Vince always wanted big muscle dudes, there's not a huge need for luchadores /high flyers in WWE, and gymnasts tend not to want to take bumps/fight and poo poo, whereas football and wrestlers are much more used to that type of stuff playing contact sports.
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Jan 28, 2023 19:36
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Benne posted:You joke but a lot of older wrestlers really did hate Ric Flair and thought the Midnight Express (specifically Bobby Eaton) did too many high spots Nice to imagine the guy celebrated as the best worker ever was once considered the equivalent of the Young Bucks to the old-timers Kvlt! posted:Vince always wanted big muscle dudes, there's not a huge need for luchadores /high flyers in WWE, and gymnasts tend not to want to take bumps/fight and poo poo, whereas football and wrestlers are much more used to that type of stuff playing contact sports.
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Jan 28, 2023 19:39
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Answers Me posted:Every now and again WWE decide they should just recruit legit athletes straight out of college, rather than actual pro wrestlers. Usually this is amateur wrestlers and football players, but have they ever tried to go after gymnasts? I feel like they’d be the ideal convert: flippydudes with great physiques, who tend to retire from their sport pretty young. Maybe they’re just far too short for WWE tastes…? They do recruit women gymnasts.
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Jan 28, 2023 19:42
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Dr. Quarex posted:Nice to imagine the guy celebrated as the best worker ever was once considered the equivalent of the Young Bucks to the old-timers Once upon a time it took a lot of politicking to get Terry Funk the NWA championship because he was "just" an ex-football player.
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Jan 28, 2023 20:34
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Are Fake Diesel and Fake Razor "canonically" the "actual" Diesel/Razor? I know the quotes are doing a lot of work here quick edit: regarded today, I mean, though also curious to what it was at the time as well
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Jan 29, 2023 02:34
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BaronVanAwesome posted:Are Fake Diesel and Fake Razor "canonically" the "actual" Diesel/Razor? No, it's pretty much accepted even in kayfabe that Scott and Kevin are the same people as Diesel and Razor, just like Mick Foley is also Mankind
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Jan 29, 2023 02:45
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BaronVanAwesome posted:Are Fake Diesel and Fake Razor "canonically" the "actual" Diesel/Razor? Even at the time, they weren't canonically the real deal. The gag was that heel JR was selling them as Razor/Diesel, but nobody was buying it, even within kayfabe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaXxU9E4F4M&t=37s
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Jan 29, 2023 03:49
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Gaz-L posted:No, it's pretty much accepted even in kayfabe that Scott and Kevin are the same people as Diesel and Razor, just like Mick Foley is also Mankind rujasu posted:Even at the time, they weren't canonically the real deal. The gag was that heel JR was selling them as Razor/Diesel, but nobody was buying it, even within kayfabe. These are both great answers, thank you!
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Jan 29, 2023 04:14
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Dumb question: how do WWE house shows work? Where I live we only get Raw/Smackdown/PPVs so ive never been to a house show. Is it just matches with no promos/storylines?
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Jan 29, 2023 05:46
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Last time I went to one ~6 years ago the only promo was Elias doing his guitar bit and talking poo poo. I think the matches were mostly wrestlers who were already feuding on tv, but certainly some were just thrown together. Absolutely zero question for the most part who the winners were gonna be, but generally a more fun match than they would ever air on TV.
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Jan 29, 2023 06:00
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That's what I figured but ty for the response! Love Elias
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Jan 29, 2023 06:03
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one thing to add to that. the wrestlers usually act more 'fun' and play up to the crowd more often at house shows. even a lot of the heels. for example, doing little dances or pantomiming stuff. if you're very serious it might piss you right off!
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Jan 29, 2023 06:07
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It also runs the risk of revealing how much WWE forces people to be less interesting on TV in order to not draw attention away from others, as Viscera's promo ridiculing our town got probably the biggest pop of the night after whoever was in the main event
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Jan 29, 2023 06:14
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WWE house shows are so much more fun than the televised stuff. Wrestlers get to loosen up and be themselves more and just seem like they're enjoying it more. I went to one in 2019, they announced that the main event would be Baron Corbin versus a mystery opponent in the main event and everyone was just like 'yeah whatever, Corbin match, fine,' and then the main event came around and the mystery opponent was JOHN CENA AND THE ARENA WENT NUTS BECAUSE IT WAS ALSO A HARDCORE MATCH AND WE GOT TO SEE BIG MATCH JOHN JUST STYLING ALL OVER CORBIN AND PUTTING HIM THROUGH TABLES AND poo poo. It ruled.
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Jan 29, 2023 06:23
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What’s the most anyone’s ever hosed up an iron man match? Like, has there been a situation where the person who’s supposed to win is down by too much with time running out, so they’ve had to spam pinfalls to get out of it?
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Kvlt! posted:Dumb question: how do WWE house shows work? Where I live we only get Raw/Smackdown/PPVs so ive never been to a house show. Is it just matches with no promos/storylines? You might also get to see a little preview of things to come, they often try stuff out in house shows. I went to one in Manchester not long after Ric Flair "lost ownership" of WWE and was wrestling again, to say it was a partisan crowd might be underselling it "Woo" echoed around the building, we were an excited city! The match comes and Edge enters first to a big babyface pop that continues as he plays the crowd, and then Flairs theme hits and the glorious celebratory booing begins, because he's a bad guy and you boo the bad guy. The match begins and obviously we're cheering for Flair who's heeling it up and Edge stays in his Hero mode, and after 2 or 3 minutes of a good match Edge whips Flair into the ropes and by the time Flair has bounced off the ropes they've both clearly switched roles and Edge is suddenly the heel. It was a great fun match that I know they must have done a few times before they moved it to TV.
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Jan 29, 2023 13:06
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BooDooBoo posted:"Woo" echoed around the building To be fair, I could say this about every WWE or AEW show I’ve ever been to.
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Answers Me posted:What’s the most anyone’s ever hosed up an iron man match? Like, has there been a situation where the person who’s supposed to win is down by too much with time running out, so they’ve had to spam pinfalls to get out of it? CM Punk and Colt Cabana claim they did an Iron Man match where Colt was supposed to win but they lost track of how many falls they'd done so they did an indie roll up sequence where Punk didn't kickout of Colts roll ups.
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Diabolik900 posted:To be fair, I could say this about every WWE or AEW show I’ve ever been to. It's tradition before the show to have someone yell out "WOO!" and start a chain going with multiple people throughout the arena letting one out. On house shows: the first one I went to was in 2003 and my last one was in 2016. They haven't changed much and from what I'm gathering it's still more of the same. Matches based on whatever is going on in TV and the wrestlers are a lot more loose and able to play to the live crowd more without worrying about upsetting a TV storyline. They might have a little something special for the live crowd because as far as WWE is concerned what happens at a house show stays at a house show (in their creative minds). Justin Godscock fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Jan 31, 2023 |
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House shows also don't have twenty minute stretches of absolutely nothing happening because you're waiting for the commercials, backstage segments, etc.
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Jan 31, 2023 14:46
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Pope Corky the IX posted:House shows also don't have twenty minute stretches of absolutely nothing happening because you're waiting for the commercials, backstage segments, etc. They still fill time with dumb poo poo like local promotional stuff, t shirt guns, and hawking merch and concessions
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Jan 31, 2023 14:49
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You don't want a t-shirt?
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Why do they call the WCW monster thing a "yeti" when it is CLEARLY a mummy????
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Sisal Two-Step posted:Why do they call the WCW monster thing a "yeti" when it is CLEARLY a mummy???? They were planning on bringing El Gigante back for the role, and he has a much clearer "giant ape-man" look. But there were some delays getting him in, so they just took the first guy his size they could find and put him in the first costume they could think of that covered up everything so they could pretend Gigante was under it the entire time. ... And then El Gigante decided to retire from wrestling for health reasons in December, so it never actually mattered.
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And then at World War III the chyron still read YETI despite him being dressed like a giant ninja.
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Sisal Two-Step posted:Why do they call the WCW monster thing a "yeti" when it is CLEARLY a mummy???? Lurks With Wolves posted:They were planning on bringing El Gigante back for the role, and he has a much clearer "giant ape-man" look. But there were some delays getting him in, so they just took the first guy his size they could find and put him in the first costume they could think of that covered up everything so they could pretend Gigante was under it the entire time. By the way, Sisal Two-Step, being that you're new to a lot of wrestling, have you seen Giant Gonzalez yet? Because if you haven't, you're in for a treat. Especially if it's the WrestleMania 9 attire.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:And then at World War III the chyron still read YETTI despite him being dressed like a giant ninja.
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Earlier today I was thinking about Cody's run as Stardust - more specifically, I was thinking about the famously bad match he had against Dustin near the end of that run, and how they put on a classic the next time they met at Double or Nothing 2019. Is there another case in wrestling history of there being such a wide disparity in quality between two consecutive contests featuring the same competitors?
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Barry Bluejeans posted:Earlier today I was thinking about Cody's run as Stardust - more specifically, I was thinking about the famously bad match he had against Dustin near the end of that run, and how they put on a classic the next time they met at Double or Nothing 2019. Is there another case in wrestling history of there being such a wide disparity in quality between two consecutive contests featuring the same competitors? Yeah, Rude vs Chono in the G1 and then at Halloween Havoc 92. In between Austin broke Chono's neck (on guess what kind of piledriver!) and Chono came back wayyyyyyyyyy too early.
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Barry Bluejeans posted:Earlier today I was thinking about Cody's run as Stardust - more specifically, I was thinking about the famously bad match he had against Dustin near the end of that run, and how they put on a classic the next time they met at Double or Nothing 2019. Is there another case in wrestling history of there being such a wide disparity in quality between two consecutive contests featuring the same competitors? Mark Henry's best days as a worker were during his Hall of Pain run and there were some very noticeable differences in match quality depending on whether he was a face or a heel. Unstoppable heel Henry had some awesome matches against Big Show and Sheamus, but face Henry vs. heel Big Show or face Henry vs. heel Sheamus were outright terrible.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:And then at World War III the chyron still read YETI despite him being dressed like a giant ninja. Ron Reese is kind of fascinating because I'm not sure any other company has had a seven foot wrestler that was used just as a jobber. He wasn't even used as a how can anyone beat Reece? The world's ostentatious giant loser.
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Lid posted:Ron Reese is kind of fascinating because I'm not sure any other company has had a seven foot wrestler that was used just as a jobber. He wasn't even used as a how can anyone beat Reece? The world's ostentatious giant loser. The MUSTACHE guy from NXT Season 2.
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What is Austin's worst match after returning from his neck injury? A real match, not a "match", if the distinction matters.
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Lid posted:Ron Reese is kind of fascinating because I'm not sure any other company has had a seven foot wrestler that was used just as a jobber. He wasn't even used as a how can anyone beat Reece? The world's ostentatious giant loser. Kurgan from Truth Commission/Oddities?
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