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| Shohei Ohtani |
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technically the rockies were correct for the first part
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Jan 28, 2023 20:59
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live with fruit posted:It's funny that Bud Black turned down the Nats job over money and has been stuck in Colorado hell ever since. hell, i'd take a high-paying job in Denver with basically no stakes or expectations attached to it
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Jan 28, 2023 21:08
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The Rays are having a very Rays offseason. They signed Zach Eflin for 3/40 early in free agency, and it seemed like an overpay, until we saw what other pitchers were getting. Eflin's never walked a lot of guys, and he added a cutter last year and Statcast loved that (3.27 xERA). They extended Jeffrey Springs for $31 million, buying out a couple arb years and a couple FA years. He was terrible in Texas and Boston, but the Rays turned him into a solid reliever in 2021, then moved him into the rotation last year. 2.46 ERA, lol. They just gave Yandy Diaz a similar deal. Dude hit 9 home runs last year... with a .400 OBP. They are so good at the Moneyball stuff, man. They find undervalued players and keep them around
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Jan 28, 2023 21:11
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coco crisp
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Jan 28, 2023 21:26
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Hand Row posted:Uh have you considered you are the weird one. rickiep00h posted:Fun fact about Lars I learned this week: his mother is Japanese and he is playing for Japan in the WBC. When you get the chance to play with Shohei (et al), you take it.
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Jan 28, 2023 22:04
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The Pussy Boss posted:The Rays are having a very Rays offseason. They signed Zach Eflin for 3/40 early in free agency, and it seemed like an overpay, until we saw what other pitchers were getting. Eflin's never walked a lot of guys, and he added a cutter last year and Statcast loved that (3.27 xERA). They extended Jeffrey Springs for $31 million, buying out a couple arb years and a couple FA years. He was terrible in Texas and Boston, but the Rays turned him into a solid reliever in 2021, then moved him into the rotation last year. 2.46 ERA, lol. They just gave Yandy Diaz a similar deal. Dude hit 9 home runs last year... with a .400 OBP. They are so good at the Moneyball stuff, man. They find undervalued players and keep them around
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Jan 29, 2023 01:59
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lol the Rockies owner is big mad that the Padres have a high payroll https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2560558 quote:"What the Padres are doing, I don’t 100% agree with, though I know that our fans probably agree with it. We’ll see how it works out," Monfort said Saturday, according to the Denver Post's Patrick Saunders. 
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Jan 29, 2023 04:53
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lol Rockies definitely having a normal one today. Edit: Really what is it with baseball execs going to local country clubs and completely owning themselves? Popete fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jan 29, 2023 |
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Jan 29, 2023 04:58
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yeah im sure your fans would agree with paying to have a good team and also drafting and developing players to help with that not the big genius owner-man though he's got other things to think about
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Jan 29, 2023 06:42
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The two theories I've heard were Track and Field were drawing more people (Usain Bolt was decent with a bat iirc) and West Indian players have gone big time in taking T20 league contacts. Not to mention the Windies board makes even the worst MLB owner seem competent. E: oops didn't realize phone posting would lead me to necro this: BrigadierSensible posted:Forgive this stupid uninformed question: InsensitiveSeaBass fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jan 29, 2023 |
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Jan 29, 2023 16:09
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The Pussy Boss posted:The Rays are having a very Rays offseason. They signed Zach Eflin for 3/40 early in free agency, and it seemed like an overpay, until we saw what other pitchers were getting. Eflin's never walked a lot of guys, and he added a cutter last year and Statcast loved that (3.27 xERA). They extended Jeffrey Springs for $31 million, buying out a couple arb years and a couple FA years. He was terrible in Texas and Boston, but the Rays turned him into a solid reliever in 2021, then moved him into the rotation last year. 2.46 ERA, lol. They just gave Yandy Diaz a similar deal. Dude hit 9 home runs last year... with a .400 OBP. They are so good at the Moneyball stuff, man. They find undervalued players and keep them around Yes it's been irritating me. They've had a secretly fantastic off-season. At least the Astros aren't in the same division as them... they are going to be a thorn in the AL East's side forever.
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Jan 29, 2023 19:34
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https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1619759542728024064?t=cw2U0Jw35IpJxySrkYKUIQ&s=19 The Yankees won't take anybody to an arb hearing this year, which seems like something they're making a concerted effort on since the Betances debacle. It really seems like another penny wise pound foolish thing that teams will absolutely torch a relationship over a rounding error's worth of paycheck.
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Jan 29, 2023 19:47
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Inspector_666 posted:https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1619759542728024064?t=cw2U0Jw35IpJxySrkYKUIQ&s=19 Yeah, I've said it before, but it's in everyone's best interests to avoid arbitration hearings. The player and his agent make their case, and then the team comes in and says, "Well, actually, here's a 41-slide PowerPoint deck of why this guy sucks poo poo and doesn't deserve the extra $300,000 that he's asking for." It's not terribly conducive to healthy player-team relationships.
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Jan 29, 2023 19:57
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What's the number? Atlanta's only pending case is with Max Fried over like $500K
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Jan 29, 2023 20:00
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KICK BAMA KICK posted:What's the number? yeah I really don’t see why they’re not just giving him that. guess they could still extend him but yeesh
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Jan 29, 2023 20:27
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Chief McHeath posted:lol the Rockies owner is big mad that the Padres have a high payroll What is it with MLB owners whining about payroll? While I'm sure NFL and NBA teams would like to pay players less, you don't hear them complaining that often
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Jan 29, 2023 20:45
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Inspector_666 posted:https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/1619759542728024064?t=cw2U0Jw35IpJxySrkYKUIQ&s=19 he should have either been nontendered or traded for michael harris
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Jan 29, 2023 20:47
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What is it with MLB owners whining about payroll? While I'm sure NFL and NBA teams would like to pay players less, you don't hear them complaining that often A bunch of nba owners were complaining about the warriors just last season
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Jan 29, 2023 20:49
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What is it with MLB owners whining about payroll? While I'm sure NFL and NBA teams would like to pay players less, you don't hear them complaining that often MLB doesn't have an official salary cap, only a de facto one with the luxury tax (which Steve Cohen has shown is no problem to any team that has the money, which is probably 75 percent of them). So owners tend to whine a little bit more.
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Jan 29, 2023 20:51
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Intruder posted:he should have either been nontendered or traded for michael harris You got me so loving heated for a second there.
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Jan 29, 2023 20:54
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:What is it with MLB owners whining about payroll? While I'm sure NFL and NBA teams would like to pay players less, you don't hear them complaining that often NFL has a hard cap. NBA has a soft cap like MLB, but then there's a max you can spend per player.
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Jan 29, 2023 21:08
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You also can’t sign anyone outside of your team for decent money if you are over the cap in the NBA which is a big deal.
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Jan 29, 2023 21:12
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MLB both has guaranteed contracts and no salary cap or contract max, which allows superstar plays to actually demand something closer to their true worth. The owners are instead trying to use the luxury tax as a de facto cap, and the cheaper owners are pissed that some teams are breaking owner solidarity and spending past it to try and make a run. For reference this "massive payroll" that Monfort is  ing over? They're only ~$7M over the first tax threshold and are looking at a total tax bill of like $4M. But if any owners spend into the tax then theoretically any team could too, which diminishes the ability to cap payrolls.The owners have to be kicking themselves in particular for approving Cohen buying the Mets. Dude's racked up a luxury tax bill that is by itself higher than the payrolls of 6 other teams.
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Jan 29, 2023 21:20
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I don't know why teams are willing to go through this lovely process of trying to convince an arbitor that their player sucks to save $500k. That's one of the few (only?) things the Rangers have consistently done well. Their last player that went to arbitration was Lee Stevens in 2000.
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Jan 29, 2023 21:25
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Bandire posted:I don't know why teams are willing to go through this lovely process of trying to convince an arbitor that their player sucks to save $500k. That's one of the few (only?) things the Rangers have consistently done well. Their last player that went to arbitration was Lee Stevens in 2000. Because the salary is done by player comparison it will cost a heck of a lot more than just 500k as you continually go through iterations. It might continue to rise so high players might actually get paid what they are worth!
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Jan 29, 2023 21:30
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Hand Row posted:Because the salary is done by player comparison it will cost a heck of a lot more than just 500k as you continually go through iterations. It might continue to rise so high players might actually get paid what they are worth! The idea being that you sit down with the agent and compromise on $250k rather than go through the bitter process of the arbitration case to breed animosity with a player you ostensibly want to retain. Arbitration has zero flexibility. Team and player both submit a number, team makes the case why player sucks and doesn't deserve his number, player rep does otherwise, and all the arbitor can do is pick one number or the other.
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Jan 29, 2023 22:14
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Yeah what I am saying is it’s not isolated to that player. The value is determined by the market and those compromises increase the market, especially if it goes to an arbitrator and the player comparables are now much increased that the arbitrator uses to make their ruling. So it’s not as simple as give the player the extra bit because the following year the next player will say I want what that guy got plus 500k. Not that I agree with it, just explaining planning why teams quibble over these amounts. They want to suppress the entire market.
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Jan 29, 2023 22:24
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Sydin posted:Molina is an exception guy where he doesn't have the WAR or counting stats to really deserve the Hall but will 100% get in because he was like the platonic ideal of the franchise catcher. Molina is interesting because there was no way he wasn't going to make it well before he actually became a pretty borderline case. He had a strong peak but not strong enough to put him over the top even with the adjustment for catching stats; he was just going to float in because he has the most hard-nosed reputation since, like, Pete Rose if not longer. But then he was a useful starter for so drat long that his case actually became decent. You can easily justify including him and easily justify leaving him out. But yeah he's gonna loving sail in. Dude has had Gritty Veteran Leader status since he was like 26 lol
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Jan 29, 2023 23:50
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Also I totally understand the million-and-one reasons opponents (or even neutral fans!) would hate Molina or find him insufferable, all the Cardinals aura bullshit, the neck tattoo, etc. etc. but man one thing you have to say about the guy: he is a committed and incredibly tough motherfucker. Man could not hit his way out of a paper bag when he came up and became a good enough bat that he put up a 106 OPS+ over the middle 11 years of his career. And that was while catching 140 games a year, which basically nobody does anymore. Hard not to respect the bastard.
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Jan 29, 2023 23:58
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Criminal Minded posted:Also I totally understand the million-and-one reasons opponents (or even neutral fans!) would hate Molina or find him insufferable, all the Cardinals aura bullshit, the neck tattoo, etc. etc. but man one thing you have to say about the guy: he is a committed and incredibly tough motherfucker. Man could not hit his way out of a paper bag when he came up and became a good enough bat that he put up a 106 OPS+ over the middle 11 years of his career. And that was while catching 140 games a year, which basically nobody does anymore. Hard not to respect the bastard. The real problem with Molina is having to hear Joe Buck and every other announcer say things like this for 15 years.
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Jan 30, 2023 03:11
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live with fruit posted:The real problem with Molina is having to hear Joe Buck and every other announcer say things like this for 15 years. Hahaha like I said I totally get it. I'm a Cardinals fan and I hate the self-perpetuating hagiography of the franchise. Especially because it's so unnecessary. They win a lot, do a great job of developing talent and are clearly an excellent organization. Stop tryna suck your own dick!
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Jan 30, 2023 03:43
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Regarding the arbitration nickel and diming, I saw a video the other day that tries to explain it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alWyEsqWxrA tl;dr: if the arbitrator goes with the player's $500k higher amount, in the 2nd arb year, it'll be up to $1 mil more, 3rd arb year it'll be up to $2 mil more, etc. If that happens for many players on a team's payroll, losing many arb cases can inflate the budget by 10 or 20 mil from what looked like pretty small potatoes at the start. But as the video goes into more depth on, a lot of teams just have this "magic secret number" that they'll agree to as a compromise with a player before the arb stuff starts, and if the player won't settle for that max number the team has in mind, then they're going to the arb hearings because in the aggregate, it's going to save the team more money. Like Hand Row said, they just want to suppress the market / their overall budgets. It's not usually personal to a specific player but it does suck that they basically have to bash their own players to save some cash. More teams should do the Atlanta Braves things and just buy out those years in advance and skip all that drama. Ofc, not every player is gonna agree to those team friendly multi-year deals when they're young but ambitious.
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Jan 30, 2023 05:15
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Timby posted:Yeah, I've said it before, but it's in everyone's best interests to avoid arbitration hearings. The player and his agent make their case, and then the team comes in and says, "Well, actually, here's a 41-slide PowerPoint deck of why this guy sucks poo poo and doesn't deserve the extra $300,000 that he's asking for." Crybaby Derek Jeter is still pissed about it 30 years later.
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Jan 30, 2023 05:44
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davecrazy posted:Crybaby Derek Jeter is still pissed about it 30 years later. How? There’s no way they haven’t given him at least one gift basket since the late 90’s.
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Jan 30, 2023 09:02
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Inspector_666 posted:He had a kid almost right when he turned it all around. Players are people, he was almost assuredly distracted that first half. It’s interesting how hard this sort of thing is to consider for whatever reason with athletes. I’m guilty of downplaying it too. I got a new puppy a little before Christmas and I’m still barely able to keep up with like half of my usual routine. The mental energy drain alone is a lot to handle. It’s tough! I can’t imagine being a pro athlete and trying to deal with things like that. Balancing it all. All the money and help in the world doesn’t really change how much it can affect a person.
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Jan 30, 2023 10:36
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Keith Law out with his Top 100. As usual, he has his own thoughts on prospect peccadillos and often diverges heavily from the prospect industrial complex's hivemind. Preamble: quote:This year’s list is, to be blunt, not great — we had so many graduations in 2022, including seven of my top 10 and more than 30 of my top 100, that the best 50 or 100 or 150 prospects in the minors are now, in bulk, not up to the level of talent that it usually is. That might be pandemic-related, because so many players lost a year or more of development. It might also have to do with MLB’s decision to eliminate all short-season leagues between the complexes and Low A, a move that especially hurts teenaged players who aren’t quite ready for full-season ball after they’ve finished a summer in the Arizona or Florida Complex Leagues. A draft class in 2022 that was generally seen as mediocre, with very little college pitching, didn’t help matters either. That said, there are a lot of potential superstars at the top of the list, and as you move through it, you’ll see a lot of players with the upside to be stars (I’m thinking 5+ WAR, roughly), but who might have a lower probability of reaching those ceilings. I've included some of the writeups I found interesting but happy to take requests (and even happier if any other Athletic subscribers take them as I'll be in and out of meetings all day) quote:1. Corbin Carroll, OF, Arizona Diamondbacks
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Jan 30, 2023 16:23
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Paracaidas posted:Keith Law out with his Top 100. As usual, he has his own thoughts on prospect peccadillos and often diverges heavily from the prospect industrial complex's hivemind. ctrl+f, search "braves", no results. ruh roh
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Jan 30, 2023 16:42
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Bubba Chandler made the list!!! I'm 100% sure he's no Shohei, but I hope he manages to keep being a 2 way player in the Majors
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Jan 30, 2023 16:48
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I would not be putting Jack Leiter in the Top 100 with how his professional career has gone so far
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Tatsuta Age posted:ctrl+f, search "braves", no results. ruh roh they’re all up or traded already, Smith-Shawver will be on the midseason lists and a couple guys like Jesse Franklin might still figure things out but other than that it’s waiting for the last draft or two to shake out, especially the ones who had injuries coming in
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