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What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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US is going to take from this the lesson that they can totally with a shooting war with China over Taiwan, whatever the outcome of the Ukraine war
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Frosted Flake posted:The government had a vested interest in making sure this did not happen often, so it rounded up large numbers of refugee slaves from contraband camps near the river system and put them to work for the woodlot owners. Voluntarily?
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Jan 30, 2023 15:18
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The criticisms of Russian state control of economy is that the government monopolies don't contribute to the budget as much as they should. The other part of is this that Putin manages to herd the oligarch cats in a single direction. The state owned corporation are functionally private corporations that enrich their owners, but the owners can't just outright sabotage Russian national interests.
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Jan 30, 2023 15:19
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gradenko_2000 posted:likened him to a two-bit gangster running a protection racket. And were they wrong huh?
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Jan 30, 2023 15:23
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Weka posted:Voluntarily? No, it was in the context of a capitalist system in which you must work or starve and/or die from exposure OP.
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Jan 30, 2023 15:29
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Lostconfused posted:And were they wrong huh? Yes, they were wrong. Donald Trump has many bits. Orange Devil posted:No, it was in the context of a capitalist system in which you must work or starve and/or die from exposure OP. This must be one of those russo-fascist talking points.
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Jan 30, 2023 15:31
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Lostconfused posted:The criticisms of Russian state control of economy is that the government monopolies don't contribute to the budget as much as they should. The other part of is this that Putin manages to herd the oligarch cats in a single direction. The state owned corporation are functionally private corporations that enrich their owners, but the owners can't just outright sabotage Russian national interests. Most SOEs are not really designed to amass huge profits but the first place but to soak up excess employment and to provide some public good/service. I think you could have mass layoffs at a bunch of state owned firms and get higher profits, but that isn’t the goal. Also, even if there is cream skimmed off the top it isn’t “effectively make it private” if anything that sounds like an argument for actual privatization. Honestly, it sounds a lot of libs who wouldn’t mind if the people from “the regions” died out.
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Jan 30, 2023 15:32
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i think we've learnt from this war and the pandemic that libs can handle huge body counts without blinking
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Jan 30, 2023 15:42
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Regarde Aduck posted:i think we've learnt from this war and the pandemic that libs can handle huge body counts without blinking Yeah, the whole thing about SOEs is so ridiculously transparent though.
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Jan 30, 2023 15:44
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Jan 30, 2023 15:45
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because without the donbas the russians dont have the industrial and farm land and the natural borders to secure their new province and make it viable, its literally the minimum they have to get to say they walked out of this disaster with any sort of positive win
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Jan 30, 2023 16:01
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WTF is TATO?
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Jan 30, 2023 16:01
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fits my needs posted:they did a photo op? they did a photo op! The very first one is a photoshop from ages ago. These are fake pictures not representative of anything! 
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Jan 30, 2023 16:02
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Tankbuster posted:WTF is TATO? not much what is tato with you?
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Jan 30, 2023 16:04
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Al-Saqr posted:because without the donbas the russians dont have the industrial and farm land and the natural borders to secure their new province and make it viable, its literally the minimum they have to get to say they walked out of this disaster with any sort of positive win When the war ends with pen on paper the borders can be whatever the paper says. Your conditions of russian victory are oddly specific.
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Jan 30, 2023 16:09
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DancingShade posted:You just need to redefine victory to something vague and spin the narrative to your domestic audience that operation gently caress up was a total smashing success victory achieved. The plan was for Russia to flatten the Ukraine, roll up Georgia and Moldova, then start sending LGM into the Baltics. At the same time China could invade Taiwan and the US suddenly finds itself in a two front war trying to project power to opposite sides of the world at once. So we'd have all the powers with nukes bar NK, Pakistan, and India all fighting each other. Ukraine is not the end of Putin's larger, long-term plan to destroy Europe — and Germany, particularly, whose reluctance to push back on Russia may lead to its end, and the end of many other democracies, if Ukraine cannot hold out. If my desire to give Ukraine all of the materiel it needs makes me a simp for the military-industrial complex then give me a loving Raytheon hat and Lockheed Martin jersey because I don't want that alternative.
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Jan 30, 2023 16:11
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Cromulent_Chill posted:When the war ends with pen on paper the borders can be whatever the paper says. Your conditions of russian victory are oddly specific. He has been saying for months that Russia will never get Bakhmut/Kramatorsk.
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Jan 30, 2023 16:12
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Ardennes posted:He has been saying for months that Russia will never get Bakhmut/Kramatorsk. Zelensky or Al-Saqr?
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Jan 30, 2023 16:13
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Ukraine is holding off WW3. i thought syqs were banned
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Jan 30, 2023 16:13
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Lostconfused posted:Zelensky or Al-Saqr? Yes
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Jan 30, 2023 16:14
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Tankbuster posted:WTF is TATO? It's a Baltics thing.
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Jan 30, 2023 16:15
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Ukraine is holding off WW3. the succ is strong in this one
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Jan 30, 2023 16:20
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Looks like the ukranians are sounding the alarm bells https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1620079943349866497?s=61&t=JxYpYcHA6zkGkFaF9oJLQQ
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Jan 30, 2023 16:24
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Al-Saqr posted:Looks like the ukranians are sounding the alarm bells pretty crazy if true, i remember hearing a few weeks ago that ukraine had destroyed all of russias tanks, its airforce and killed 1m men including 40k on the banks of the dinper
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Jan 30, 2023 16:26
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That's this guy, and he's been doing PR photo ops in the trenches since like the start of the war lmao.
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Jan 30, 2023 16:26
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it's really funny that while his army is being turned into paste and losing major holdings Zelensky cares more about the Olympics and Oscars. My man knows what side of the bread is buttered.
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Jan 30, 2023 16:27
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Al-Saqr posted:Looks like the ukranians are sounding the alarm bells More Jeni's ice cream on the way
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Jan 30, 2023 16:30
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Dr Dunkaroos posted:it's really funny that while his army is being turned into paste and losing major holdings Zelensky cares more about the Olympics and Oscars. My man knows what side of the bread is buttered. only natural since his personal fortunes can survive without ukraine but not without western lib hagiography
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Jan 30, 2023 16:31
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Ukraine is holding off WW3. Source your quotes
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Jan 30, 2023 16:32
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Cerebral Bore posted:only natural since his personal fortunes can survive without ukraine but not without western lib hagiography Eventually there is going to be some suburb in Northern Virginia just populated by Guaidos.
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Jan 30, 2023 16:39
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:Ukraine is holding off WW3. Good on
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Jan 30, 2023 16:42
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Tankbuster posted:WTF is TATO? Boil em, mash em, put em in a stew
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Jan 30, 2023 16:44
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I will say I'd take a raytheon and lockheed martin jersey Maybe a rheinmetall jersey if it looks like the kf51 panther
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Jan 30, 2023 16:54
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What happens militarily if Russia actually takes Bakhmut/Ukrainian positions there collapse? It doesn't seem like that big a deal looking at a map,
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Jan 30, 2023 16:54
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:me a simp for the military-industrial complex, give me a loving Raytheon hat and Lockheed Martin jersey
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Dr Dunkaroos posted:it's really funny that while his army is being turned into paste and losing major holdings Zelensky cares more about the Olympics and Oscars. My man knows what side of the bread is buttered. zelensky's main value-add as a ukrainian asset is that he's a democratically elected leader who's good at speaking pablum to ukraine's patrons. this is a strategically critical resource, so that sort of thing is genuinely useful. i really don't think there's many better things he can be doing than making sure that ukraine stays in american headlines Lostconfused posted:That's this guy, and he's been doing PR photo ops in the trenches since like the start of the war lmao. a bewildering amount of the russian and ukrainian nationalists come out of the same milieu, with a fair few of them actually having switched sides as established, adult politicians one of the top ukrainian generals, syrskyi, is an ethnic russian born, raised and trained in russia who happened to have been stationed in ukraine when the soviet union fell apart. looking into a bunch of the guys involved you find this sort of thing all the time, as with arestovych having old ties with dugin etc.
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Jan 30, 2023 16:56
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icantfindaname posted:What happens militarily if Russia actually takes Bakhmut/Ukrainian positions there collapse? It doesn't seem like that big a deal looking at a map, the ukrainians retreat to another, less formidable defensive line. a lot of major fortifications in the donbass (avdiivka, e.g.) would be more difficult to keep in supply and might have to be abandoned, probably with non-trivial losses. the russians would renew their focus, probably on slavayansk. morale would take a serious hit. bakhmut is important as a fortress, a symbol and as a supply hub - without it, a lot of ukrainian positions become untenable. it probably wouldn't be catastrophic, but it would be a blow
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Jan 30, 2023 17:01
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Yeah, it wouldn't be the end of the AFU but a lot of resources were and are still being spent trying to hold it, and if it falls and then Russians push farther West it is going to be hard and harder to contain them. Also, in pro-Kiev circles, there is still hope of a big offensive to take Mariupol/Crimea, and in all honesty if the Donbass starts to fall apart that is just going to less and less physically possible, especially if the Russians start taking out the big fortified positions and victory becomes essentially hopeless. ---- Also, yeah, it is also about forcing the Ukrainians to commit more and more to battle. The spin is usually that the Russians are taking far more casualities with "human wave" attacks (of like 5 dudes) but are some how pushing forward due to mountains of bodies. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 17:14 on Jan 30, 2023 |
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Jan 30, 2023 17:06
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V. Illych L. posted:as with arestovych having old ties with dugin etc. Actually that was a top secret mission he got handed by Ukrainian intelligence to infiltrate the Russian eurasian irredentists. Please ignore all the ranting about orange lutherans that would probably pique FF's interests.
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icantfindaname posted:What happens militarily if Russia actually takes Bakhmut/Ukrainian positions there collapse? It doesn't seem like that big a deal looking at a map, They’re fighting a battle of attrition where the target is the Ukrainian Army itself. The terrain is only important insofar as it helps achieve that (high ground, threatening supply lines) and that it must be worth something to the Ukrainians for them to feed forces into the battle. Verdun was part of the historical fortification system of France, but by 1916 the Western Front was continuous and, unlike the Belgian forts at Liege, taking Verdun would not cause the defence of France to collapse. Instead, Falkenhayn selected a target that would cause the French High Command to commit their Reserves to the battle, where they could be destroyed, causing the collapse of the French Army and therefore the entire front.
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