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Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
Do 1970 Mustangs have side impact beams in the doors? I know from the Olds Cutlass projects I have been involved with they didn’t have them until either 70 or 71.

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MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!

Applebees Appetizer posted:

Damage doesn't look that bad either but it's still a 1970's car with 1970's safety standards. Pretty big tradeoff with these super powerful resto mods.

If he was in a modern car with curtain airbags he probably would have walked away.

Apparently you can buy aftermarket Recaro bucket seats that have built in side impact airbags, but I imagine you need a car with factory equipment to activate them.

MetaJew fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jan 30, 2023

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Applebees Appetizer
Jan 23, 2006

Fornax Disaster posted:

Do 1970 Mustangs have side impact beams in the doors? I know from the Olds Cutlass projects I have been involved with they didn’t have them until either 70 or 71.

From the looks of the door it doesn't seem so.

My neighbor has a '69 fastback with a built 351 in it. He took me for a ride in it once, drove like a maniac and all I kept thinking was if he loses control and we crash and hit anything we're dead. It felt like riding in a scary fast tin can with lovely little bucket seats and lap belts.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup




That's gotta be hell on the batteries.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy



Impressive to only wreck 2 cars yet ruin 3

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


That Works posted:

Impressive to only wreck 2 cars yet ruin 3

Thread title material?

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

90s Solo Cup posted:

That's gotta be hell on the batteries.

Ah but he has 2 sets of batteries

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!



And Copart just leaves it sitting out uncovered in their dusty lot...

Humphreys posted:

How much? Gotta be worth it for the engine alone

The auction estimated value says $350K

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

Isn’t welding two chassis together no bueno in terms of crashes and general metal fatigue? I’m no engineer but I thought it caused the metal around the welds to become more brittle and more likely to break where you’d normally want some tough-as-hell metal.

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

funeral home DJ posted:

Isn’t welding two chassis together no bueno in terms of crashes and general metal fatigue? I’m no engineer but I thought it caused the metal around the welds to become more brittle and more likely to break where you’d normally want some tough-as-hell metal.

How do you think limousines are made

trouser chili
Mar 27, 2002

Unnngggggghhhhh

razorscooter posted:



saw this bad boy at work today

It looks like a car when streetview incorrectly stitches two images together.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


:lol:

https://twitter.com/clare_eliza/status/1619819420465131520?t=3j8fouW6WUu1OmQlhFxluw&s=19

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

funeral home DJ posted:

Isn’t welding two chassis together no bueno in terms of crashes and general metal fatigue? I’m no engineer but I thought it caused the metal around the welds to become more brittle and more likely to break where you’d normally want some tough-as-hell metal.

Just keep adding more metal. That’s what I do to my minivan when pieces break off.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

I was late to work one day last year because I had to update the firmware on my jacket

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Is this an issue of the software update somehow shifting the car out of park?

Edit: which lead me to look up how a Tesla "parks". Looks like it's just a mechanical brake.

Uthor fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jan 30, 2023

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

not a car engineer but it seems like the software that controls the brakes and the software that is internet connected should be two isolated systems

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Fellatio del Toro posted:

not a car engineer but it seems like the software that controls the brakes and the software that is internet connected should be two isolated systems

I don't have any specific examples, but car software is basically all connected and super easy to hack.

Fake edit, here's a list of hacks found. I haven't actually spent the time to read it, but I found the link on a blog I trust about security.
https://samcurry.net/web-hackers-vs-the-auto-industry/

The blog:
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/01/remote-vulnerabilities-in-automobiles.html

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

You can drive a Tesla from the app/remote. Not sure if that extends to driving on the road (lol maybe!) but you can definitely Ferris Bueller it out of the garage remotely.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Car hacks are the main reason I always watch Defcon talks on YouTube. The car industry is still behind the times when it comes to security and the amount of cheaply purchased electronics they're bodged together with from a variety of different companies who also leave backdoors into their poo poo under default passwords is concerning.

Car hacks 2022 playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9fPq3eQfaaBWzHk48RZOPJ8NdF-eH1Qg

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Uthor posted:

I don't have any specific examples, but car software is basically all connected and super easy to hack.

Fake edit, here's a list of hacks found. I haven't actually spent the time to read it, but I found the link on a blog I trust about security.
https://samcurry.net/web-hackers-vs-the-auto-industry/

The blog:
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/01/remote-vulnerabilities-in-automobiles.html

Super easy to hack in that there is almost no security between the control modules at all, if you get onto the bus you own the car.

Olympic Mathlete posted:

Car hacks are the main reason I always watch Defcon talks on YouTube. The car industry is still behind the times when it comes to security and the amount of cheaply purchased electronics they're bodged together with from a variety of different companies who also leave backdoors into their poo poo under default passwords is concerning.

Car hacks 2022 playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9fPq3eQfaaBWzHk48RZOPJ8NdF-eH1Qg

Yup. Its why OTA updates for vehicles scare the gently caress out of me as an Infosec/Security guy.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Olympic Mathlete posted:

Car hacks are the main reason I always watch Defcon talks on YouTube. The car industry is still behind the times when it comes to security and the amount of cheaply purchased electronics they're bodged together with from a variety of different companies who also leave backdoors into their poo poo under default passwords is concerning.

Car hacks 2022 playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9fPq3eQfaaBWzHk48RZOPJ8NdF-eH1Qg
i have a "The Club" on it's way because i own a kia with a key ignition

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

funeral home DJ posted:

Isn’t welding two chassis together no bueno in terms of crashes and general metal fatigue? I’m no engineer but I thought it caused the metal around the welds to become more brittle and more likely to break where you’d normally want some tough-as-hell metal.

Welding fucks up heat treatments, so it'll ruin springs, knives, or bra clasps. It won't mess with anything that isn't heat treated.

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.

Blue Footed Booby posted:

Welding fucks up heat treatments, so it'll ruin springs, knives, or bra clasps. It won't mess with anything that isn't heat treated.

crash structures: famously not heat treated

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

How do you think limousines are made

with a mild steel frame

mainly im just shitposting, but yeah i thought unibodies were more vulnerable to yeehaw bullshit than your average farm truck

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

funeral home DJ posted:

Isn’t welding two chassis together no bueno in terms of crashes and general metal fatigue? I’m no engineer but I thought it caused the metal around the welds to become more brittle and more likely to break where you’d normally want some tough-as-hell metal.

It's less the impact on the metal and more that you can't really weld a unibody correctly when making a stretch anything. It's multiple layers of bent sheet metal that's spot welded together as it's built up. If you Sawzall it in half and start welding you only really get the outside.

Also no engineering or testing to the design and unibodies are just barely enough for specific crash tests.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

honda whisperer posted:

It's less the impact on the metal and more that you can't really weld a unibody correctly when making a stretch anything. It's multiple layers of bent sheet metal that's spot welded together as it's built up. If you Sawzall it in half and start welding you only really get the outside.

Also no engineering or testing to the design and unibodies are just barely enough for specific crash tests.

This is why you really don’t want to get into a major accident in a stretch limo, RV, or airport van. They’re essentially unregulated for crashworthiness.

Disgruntled Bovine
Jul 5, 2010


Priapus

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I got a recall notice a couple weeks ago and the next day started the Silverado and asked me if I wanted to do an update. Read the notes and it was something about a recall.

Guess my recall is now done remotely? :lol:

trouser chili
Mar 27, 2002

Unnngggggghhhhh

MrYenko posted:

This is why you really don’t want to get into a major accident in a stretch limo, RV, or airport van. They’re essentially unregulated for crashworthiness.

One exception to the RV, the Wanderlodge. They’re made by BlueBird with the primary construction based off their school bus. It’s my understanding the Wanderlodge “FC” model is even designed for a rollover crash.

This one was totaled, but apparently was drivable after righting.

Blue Footed Booby
Oct 4, 2006

got those happy feet

Raluek posted:

crash structures: famously not heat treated

with a mild steel frame

mainly im just shitposting, but yeah i thought unibodies were more vulnerable to yeehaw bullshit than your average farm truck

The heat treat on blades and springs works because the steel is high carbon. Mild steel is what you call it when there isn't enough carbon for those kinds of heat treats.

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe

trouser chili posted:

One exception to the RV, the Wanderlodge. They’re made by BlueBird with the primary construction based off their school bus. It’s my understanding the Wanderlodge “FC” model is even designed for a rollover crash.

This one was totaled, but apparently was drivable after righting.



Didn't even pop the glass out. Nor does the 3208 give a poo poo.


Wanna build one of those someday with not a Shitterpillar and with awd.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

MrYenko posted:

This is why you really don’t want to get into a major accident in a stretch limo, RV, or airport van. They’re essentially unregulated for crashworthiness.

Reminds me of that loving SUV limo nightmare crash in New York that 20 people died from

Owners were too cheap to fix the brakes :bang:

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

OBAMNA PHONE posted:

Reminds me of that loving SUV limo nightmare crash in New York that 20 people died from

Owners were too cheap to fix the brakes :bang:



Worth noting the stretch limo or not Ford trucks of the time did notoriously bad in front impact ratings especially if you get hit offset to the side just like so.

https://youtu.be/wsg6Zgtijdk

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jan 31, 2023

MrOnBicycle
Jan 18, 2008
Wait wat?

MrYenko posted:

This is why you really don’t want to get into a major accident in a stretch limo, RV, or airport van. They’re essentially unregulated for crashworthiness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuNOarORALM&t=134s

In Swedish, but the video speaks for itself. Oofff.


Lmao.

MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jan 31, 2023

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

CommieGIR posted:

This reads like a massive security hole waiting to happen.

They're just taking advantage of a security hole. :v:

Wonder how long until Tesla patches the hole they're exploiting?

slidebite posted:

Similar to GMs new infotainment. It's making me loathe android auto.

To be fair, this is Android Automotive with GMC and Volvo, not Android Auto. They're two completely different products.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I did not know that!

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

A lil more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_Automotive

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
I'm planning on getting an S60 so that's good to know.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Have to admire their creativity

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opengl
Sep 16, 2010

100% wrong thread

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