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forkboy84 posted:Instead we got one wet fart of a campaign. I think that was the point I realised that the people running the remain campaign were that special kind of idiot, where you can give them all the education in the world and they still manage to get everything completely wrong.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:This doesn't make any sense? The assumption is that he promised a vote on it thinking he’d be going into another poo poo coalition and he could bargain it away and blame it on the other party, but instead he had to follow through on that promise because it had stirred up the loudest and thickest and most racist among us into giving him an outright win.
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Jan 31, 2023 12:06
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lol at Brexit being more damaging to the economy than a literal full-scale, long-running ground war. Has anyone ever been more confidently incorrect than anyone who thought/still thinks this poo poo was a good idea?
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the joke was that brexit was britain self sanctioning itself, of course the joke is on us
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Jan 31, 2023 12:07
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Jel Shaker posted:the joke was that brexit was britain self sanctioning itself, of course the joke is on us Turns out sanctions are nbd when you have abundant natural resources, agriculture and functioning industry. When your entire economy revolves around fake money and Warhammer it becomes a little tricky.
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ronya posted:she was not wrong on the political sense that it would immediately turn into more-brexit-than-thou in both her back benches and the opposition right, absolutely, and a key part of her folly was assuming she could get the swivel-eyes on board. the best thing they could have done was a coalition negotiation with all parties, but Tory hatred of Corbyn and the Lib Dums obsession with nulling the referendum would have made that nigh on impossible so instead she chose to stand perfectly still and fartastically poo poo herself for three years straight
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History Comes Inside! posted:The assumption is that he promised a vote on it thinking he’d be going into another poo poo coalition and he could bargain it away and blame it on the other party, but instead he had to follow through on that promise because it had stirred up the loudest and thickest and most racist among us into giving him an outright win. also he expected his stupid "tough negotiations" with the EU to persuade people he tried and made sure our relationship to the EU was the most beneficial so that in the referendum "leave" would lose
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I mean, I’m not sure I particularly want to see Charles getting his breasts oiled https://twitter.com/grahamsmith_/status/1620382167028367360?s=46&t=7geb6RHlN0Irmu_Mzkqzwg
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Ireland is forecasted at 3.8% GDP, this year, beating out almost everyone except India and China. So guess the Brexit updoots are working out for us at least. Shame that our economy is also structured around Z the IVth posted:fake money and Warhammer except pharma companies instead of Warhams
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(Just in case anyone was perhaps thinking it, my post was not a defence of Remain: yes, they were failson poo poo, but the point was, it didn't matter what they did either way.) And with that settled, I just discovered you can do scrambled eggs in the microwave, in a pinch.
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Bullying bad, but the people he's bullying are Tories, so bullying good.
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Jan 31, 2023 12:39
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Failed Imagineer posted:Bullying bad, but the people he's bullying are Tories, so bullying good. The people he's bullying are civil servants.
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Tesseraction posted:right, absolutely, and a key part of her folly was assuming she could get the swivel-eyes on board. the best thing they could have done was a coalition negotiation with all parties, but Tory hatred of Corbyn and the Lib Dums obsession with nulling the referendum would have made that nigh on impossible well, she wasn't wrong on that part: the UKIP vote collapsed; Farage wisely saw it coming and stayed out. CON did indeed reclaim its place as the vehicle for conservative euroskepticism. But Tory party reform had meant that party leaderships had lost many of their tools for formally disciplining rebellious backbenchers - May sacking Johnson did not damage Johnson's career (obviously) as Heath sacking Powell once, because Johnson - unlike Powell - could leverage the membership to return to power
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Tesseraction posted:TrashFuture also points out how much this is on Theresa May's head too: a referendum had just gone 48-52, no-one was sure what that meant, UMMM I think you'll find she was Very Clear
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History Comes Inside! posted:The assumption is that he promised a vote on it thinking he’d be going into another poo poo coalition and he could bargain it away and blame it on the other party, but instead he had to follow through on that promise because it had stirred up the loudest and thickest and most racist among us into giving him an outright win. This is more than an assumption. Sitting governments don't usually gain seats. Cameron thus thought it was safe to put party unity ahead of the country, never considering that by adopting UKIP's sole policy he'd also gather their voters.
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Jan 31, 2023 12:57
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forkboy84 posted:Boris should really go the way of Mussolini. I dunno, I don't think it's inappropriate for him to step down - he invited the referendum yeah but it would be weird for him to lead the government in implementing something he campaigned against. I'm trying to think of a poo poo analogy and I think I've got one: imagine Starmer promising a referendum on nationalising industries, campaigning hard against it, and losing... would you want him to stay PM to carry that out?
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Guavanaut posted:That's why I love "I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome" from free market defenders, because they're almost asking to abolish inheritance and ensure healthcare and education coverage is universal. Yeah, I used to be one of those  Then I made the (now blindingly obvious) leap that if you actually want to achieve equality of opportunity, you need a lotta socialism in your society and economy.That was also the time that I realised a lot of my (then) political bedfellows genuinely believed that 'progressive tax rates', 'comprehensive schools' and 'inheritance duty' were oppressive instruments of forced equality of outcome. Didn't John Stuart Mill (arch proponent of economix liberalism and personal liberty) also state that in order for his ideal system to work that everyone would have to start life with equal wealth and the basic means of production equally shared? Sounds like commie bullshit to me, like that Adam Smith fellow and his views about landlords being indolent parasites... E: Tesseraction posted:TrashFuture also points out how much this is on Theresa May's head too: a referendum had just gone 48-52, no-one was sure what that meant, even Farage had campaigned on the Norway model, and then she just goes out there and puts in a poo poo-ton of hard red lines and basically fait accompli-ed us to absolute hard Brexit for no reason. Yeah, I actually think TM bears most of the blame for the situation we are actually in. A 52/48 referendum result, especially one where even the Leave side was talking about Norway models and 'no one is suggesting leaving the Common Market' would surely lead to a 'soft Brexit' which fulfilled the mandate of the referendum while acknowledging the slim majority. But (perhaps because she campaigned for remain and so felt especially under pressure?) she not only drew up those red lines but pushed the button on A50. I was remarkable blasé about the EU referendum - I was disappointed but not entirely surprised that Leave won, but I genuinely thought it would be the work of at least a decade before we were actually out, because (surely...) it would be national suicide to leave before we had regenerated our own abilities in so many areas, invested in potential growth sectors so they were ready to go, started reforming new international relationships, formulated what our post-EU policies on stuff like immigration were etc. It would be extraordinarily dumb to even start negotiating before any of that work had even begun, wouldn't it? I was genuinely amazed that a government could be so incompetent and destructive, and for no apparent reason. BalloonFish fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Jan 31, 2023 |
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Microplastics posted:I dunno, I don't think it's inappropriate for him to step down - he invited the referendum yeah but it would be weird for him to lead the government in implementing something he campaigned against. He literally said that he would stay on if he lost before the referendum. As soon as he lost, he quit and turned the party over to the psychopath head bangers.
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That is also a sensible move because otherwise it would make the referendum partly about him. Plenty of people don't understand brexit but they understand "get rid of prime minister" and might vote accordingly in numbers
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Jel Shaker posted:lol doing worse than the country currently in a war and heavily sanctioned by the west puts it into perspective
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I'd be happy to keep wearing a mask day to day but given the British public appears to have abandoned the idea completely outside of a few specific contexts I don't really see much point. They're there to protect others not yourself, and if you're literally the only person in the room bothering you're not doing much - I'd just avoid those situations if I felt ill. Plus I'm not inclined to worry too much about people around me where they clearly don't care enough to do the same for me, especially where doing so might provoke eye rolls and whatever. So I still wear one where people ask me to, and definitely in locations where lots of vulnerable people may be (like hospitals), but if I'm just out in a shop or a pub or whatever it's hard to see what you're achieving by staying super strict with it. If you personally are worried about getting covid having one person in a room of 50 wearing a cloth mask isn't going to protect you, and you should probably get one of the fancier types that do actually fully protect you. I'm not really certain that makes me a whiny faux-leftist or whatever, but eh. Speaking of covid my parents both got it for the first time after avoiding it for like 3 years. Thankfully they just seem to feel like horseshit though - vaccines doing their job.
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FFP2 masks provide personal protection, if fitted properly.
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd be happy to keep wearing a mask day to day but given the British public appears to have abandoned the idea completely outside of a few specific contexts I don't really see much point. That seems silly. What if enough people felt that way that if they all wore masks, it actually would make a difference?
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:That seems silly. What if enough people felt that way that if they all wore masks, it actually would make a difference? Perhaps, but getting mass engagement from where we are now would involve committed public health messaging that we're not getting and it's pretty unhelpful to blame individual people for feeling powerless.
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:That seems silly. What if enough people felt that way that if they all wore masks, it actually would make a difference? See: literally everything you could ever ask of the general population that could be seen as even the mildest inconvenience. There aren’t enough people who give a poo poo about the bigger picture for it to matter so unless you have your own personal concerns about whatever the specific thing you’re choosing happens to be, you’re just going to make yourself miserable for no benefit most of the time.
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sinky posted:The people he's bullying are civil servants. Ah, my bad
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Who the gently caress looks at Rees Mogg and thinks "there's a guy that represents me".
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:Who the gently caress looks at Rees Mogg and thinks "there's a guy that represents me". Cunts
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:Who the gently caress looks at Rees Mogg and thinks "there's a guy that represents me". Cunts? Edit lmao
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ThomasPaine posted:I'd be happy to keep wearing a mask day to day but given the British public appears to have abandoned the idea completely outside of a few specific contexts I don't really see much point. They're there to protect others not yourself, and if you're literally the only person in the room bothering you're not doing much - I'd just avoid those situations if I felt ill. Plus I'm not inclined to worry too much about people around me where they clearly don't care enough to do the same for me, especially where doing so might provoke eye rolls and whatever. If i remember right a basic mask if correctly fitted will give yourself some protection for about 10 minutes. I always wear 2 but no longer tape up the edges... it's better than nothing so i go with it.
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:Who the gently caress looks at Rees Mogg and thinks "there's a guy that represents me". Nearly 30,000 people in the area surrounding Bath. Probably many thousand more around England & Wales, as well as some proper sickos in Scotland.
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Almost getting there with the hands.
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Guavanaut posted:Almost getting there with the hands. It's easy to simulate that, you just have to put "Keir Starmer"+"Mr Hands" into your AI imaginarium with the safeties off
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:Who the gently caress looks at Rees Mogg and thinks "there's a guy that represents me". Our old neighbours, Mrs Neighbour used to post stuff about how great he is and how he really “gets” her, an unmarried mother of two working as a cab driver and doing a decent sideline selling dodgy fags. Same neighbour who said “I am racist, I don’t care who knows it and no-one will treat me differently for it.” to me and my Indonesian wife. So I guess I know one thing she’s got in common with Rees-Mogg.
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Picture two there with very big "yes very funny Mr Starmer this skin IS brown" energy
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Masks can help protect the wearer, if it's a barrier one way, it's also a barrier the other. I don't understand where this 'masks don't protect the wearer' idea comes from. I do understand that if you are infected, not spreading your lung gunk around other people is more helpful to them than not wearing a mask, than helpful for you - the mask wearer - being surrounded by 10 unmasked infected lung gunk sharers, but it does offer a modicum of protection more than not being masked. And obviously quality of mask & fit also add further variation to the amount of protection. Yes it's not 100% protection (the argument I see most from non-wearers is 'it doesn't prevent covid' - no and nor do seat belts 100% protect people in car accidents nor does 'the rhythm method' protect 100% against pregnancy, but it protects a bit). Anyway see here for some discussion: https://archive.is/iGlUw Unrelated: UK is in poo poo chat: Just had a full on 'We're in a terrible state, I blame the immigrants' barrage from one of the elderly lady neighbours. That said, the people she was particularly blaming were people like her sister & sister's husband and people like them who are 'expats' living in Spain but come over here for their healthcare and prescriptions.
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No idea if anyone else has piled on. Only answering this because it deserved a reply. Angepain posted:Please do not use my deciding to try to engage with one of your points as a way of sniping at others for not taking time out of their day to engage with your obtuse rambling posts. I am not The Good Example Poster to be paraded around to show how much you think everyone else is a closed-minded idiot. This kind of "ahh, a good poster, unlike the rest of you blowhards" is one of the most annoying kinds of posting out there and I resent having my posts involved in it. I absolutely do not think that everyone here is a closed-minded idiot. The vast majority are interesting and/or funny and cool. Angepain posted:Your stipulation that something had to be "specific" to the trans community to count as being criminalising being trans. I think this is simplistic. For example: No one else here ever posts in overly simplistic broad-brush terms? Again, I'd explicitly identified the statement as pedantic quibbling. Not serious argument. Angepain posted:I am fully aware of the distinction between transvestite and transgender. My point is that laws criminalising cross dressing very much target trans people also. Many, if not all, trans people would be prevented from living their lives as a result of these laws, and so it should count as criminalising transness. Your cutesy " So you ignored my "E; Correcting my loving stupid incorrect use of terminology. Godammit! Left as struck to expose my shame. gently caress, I'm sorry. " then. It was a very stupid, and very bad error on my part that I was absolutely mortified at when I saw it. I corrected it, without trying to hide my shame, and apologised. Back in the 80s most people used transexual not transgender - see "Man Enough To Be A Woman" and then Wayne later Jayne County's lyric "I've got a transexual feeling". Take it up with her. I'd love to hear her reply. I was simply defaulting to how we talked back then. Again, I.Am.loving.Sorry. I obviously know that you are fully aware of the differences between transvestite and transgender. Hence the use of the smiley. Angepain posted:This is absolutely portraying gay and trans oppression as some kind of competition which the gays and transvestites win and I struggle to see how you could not see that interpretation to your posts. I genuinely do not think in terms of vertical heirarchies, I only acknowledge horizontal ranges of difference with no sense of implicit superiority of one over another. Obviously I cannot communicate this well so I wont try. Angepain posted:Additionally, the trans people you were aware of in Edinburgh at that time... that's not necessarily a representative subset of all trans people! It's the ones who were able to be out, the ones who felt able to be open to you specifically, hell, the ones who were alive... Now, I suspect you might point that you did in fact say it was your experience, so let's skip ahead to that: you still used this experience to make a point. Angepain posted:yes and kids these days will never experience the joy of the 1960s when sex was invented. Do you see how utterly patronising this comes off as? Trans experience was absolutely different back in the past. See Wendy Carlos's comment on coming out: "The public turned out to be amazingly tolerant or, if you wish, indifferent [...] There had never been any need of this charade to have taken place. It had proven a monstrous waste of years of my life." I am sure you would agree that that is not the even close to the horror of trans experience these days. Angepain posted:As far as I can tell, nobody has said this. Some of us have picked at other bits of your posts but to be clear your pain is real. the gay struggle of the 80s and 90s was real. Re: Josef bugman taking me to task for using "Correct Thought" this is a term that I never ever use and first encountered in widespread (if possibly ironic) use in previous incarnations of this very thread. It always made me uncomfortable tbh. Thought the scarequotes would have made clear that I was not using it seriously. Oh well. gently caress me and the horse I rode in on, I guess. *jk* Re: It's your job to edit down posts to easily digestable word-nuggets. Oh I did spend hours... Apologies again for my patently shoddy attempts at a discussion. This is an area that I have very strong feelings about and I hurt for all those currently suffering the cruel and unusual treatment that seems to have become socially acceptable. The internet as a vector for utterly barbaric abuse is a horrible, horrible thing that I certainly don't fully appreciate because I'm old and I do not Twitter or the like. Even if I did I would not be a target. My secondhand awareness is clearly not enough - my daughter has shared her personal experiences of online and real world abuse - but a spectator can never truly understand the full pain. I know that much of my thinking is necessarily not up-to-date and genuinely want to improve. I can but try. I'll not bother the thread again. I still love you all unconditionally. Good luck and god bless. And out.
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