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tater_salad posted:Ohan the discussion is going deeper people and then the franzia came up tops
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Feels Villeneuve posted:on the other hand the majority of audiophile network switches i see are unmanaged ethernet switches which frequently run at 100Mbps, probably because that's the speed of the TP-Link card that they're using to make their dumb poo poo an update on this is that apparently some audiophiles think 100mbps switches sound better because gigabit switches need more powerful processors, which introduce more noise into the signal chain or something, which is just to say that the "sell old network hubs to audiophiles" thing would totally work
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Feels Villeneuve posted:an update on this is that apparently some audiophiles think 100mbps switches sound better because gigabit switches need more powerful processors, which introduce more noise into the signal chain or something, which is just to say that the "sell old network hubs to audiophiles" thing would totally work Token ring gives a warmer sound
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Jan 29, 2023 22:46
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Look at a headphone splitter Now look at a hub and spoke network They’re the same thing, and they do the same thing to your sound
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Grassy Knowles posted:Token ring gives a warmer sound Appletalk is really a better option as it uses a special adapter that reduces digital jitter which really opens up the sound stage and reduces additional audio cooling.
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Grassy Knowles posted:Token ring gives a warmer sound null modem is where the crystal highs are
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Feels Villeneuve posted:an update on this is that apparently some audiophiles think 100mbps switches sound better because gigabit switches need more powerful processors, which introduce more noise into the signal chain or something, which is just to say that the "sell old network hubs to audiophiles" thing would totally work I recently ordered an usb to ethernet dongle from ali, and got a 10mbit one. Could I resell that to an audiophile?
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Jan 30, 2023 12:13
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VictualSquid posted:I recently ordered an usb to ethernet dongle from ali, and got a 10mbit one. Could I resell that to an audiophile? im more amazed its still possible to get a purely 10mbps one
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Palladium posted:im more amazed its still possible to get a purely 10mbps one Same
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Never underestimate the ability for cheap companies to justify saving $0.03 on a device with costing thousands while cutting performance by an order of magnitude. LG's OLED TVs, most of which have four digit price tags and some even in the five digit range, have 100mbit ethernet interfaces which do actually limit what you can play on them without adding a USB gigabit adapter.
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Jan 30, 2023 19:48
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wolrah posted:Never underestimate the ability for cheap companies to justify saving $0.03 on a device with costing thousands while cutting performance by an order of magnitude. A ultrahd blu-ray uses h265 encoded streams at 50-60mbps, a 100mbps NIC is not a bottleneck if you use current codecs(nobody encodes commercially with h264 beyond 1080)
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Jan 30, 2023 21:04
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wolrah posted:Never underestimate the ability for cheap companies to justify saving $0.03 on a device with costing thousands while cutting performance by an order of magnitude. I have an OLED CX and it bugs the poo poo out of me because I'd bet $20 the SoC used has a Gigabit MAC, but they saved pennies (or were supply chain geniuses) by using a 10/100 PHY. Or the pins on the SoC fell in such a way they had to use RMII vs. RGMII but it was probably to save a few cents. Ubiquiti pulled the same thing on their G5s, though in that case, there is no legitimate reason for an IP security camera to need a gigabit NIC. It's just human psychology of "But, G5 > G4, but also number go down???". (I would however fully believe UI did this for supply chain reasons)
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wolrah posted:Never underestimate the ability for cheap companies to justify saving $0.03 on a device with costing thousands while cutting performance by an order of magnitude. even the most bottom barrel router/NIC crap made in china for their domestic market is at least 100mbps it would probably take more money to make a 10mbps device than a 100mbps one
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A sloppy design might end up turning off link negotiation or destroy signal integrity and turn a 100 capable IC into something that only does 10.
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Palladium posted:even the most bottom barrel router/NIC crap made in china for their domestic market is at least 100mbps You'd be surprised what people will do to unload a pallet they found in a warehouse untouched for 10 years. Every now and then I'll see a 10-pack of 2GB USB2 drives pop up in my vine queue. They're trying to sell it if they can, and even enough to give a few away for review.
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Michaelcenter frequently gives that kind of poo poo away if you just show up and ask
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SlowBloke posted:A ultrahd blu-ray uses h265 encoded streams at 50-60mbps, a 100mbps NIC is not a bottleneck if you use current codecs(nobody encodes commercially with h264 beyond 1080) That is a 60 FPS release of course so it's a special case, but Highlander isn't far behind at 85.5mbit/sec average and also gets in to the 120 range regularly while peaking over 140. I'm not saying it's a super common problem, and I'm definitely not saying that extra bitrate is actually doing something I can notice, but I'm not re-encoding anything, I have plenty of hard drive space so I just use what came on the disc, and that does exceed 100mbit/sec more often than you'd think so LG's cheapness legitimately creates a bottleneck with commercial content.
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wolrah posted:Looking at my collection the actual range is more like 40-80, with the top spot going to Gemini Man at 85.9mbit/sec. The thing is that's average bitrate, where when we're discussing whether a network interface would be a bottleneck the peaks are what matters. That movie goes over 100mbit/sec all the time, over 120 intermittently, and even pushes the boundaries of UHD Bluray (officially 144mbit/sec) at points. Gemini man blu-ray made me slightly nauseous while looking super sharp when used by sony for demo purposes at my local mediamarkt so i'm not surprised at the super high bitrates. Keep in mind that the stream will get buffered in advance so every second below 100mbps bitrate will compensate for the peaks. Android loves ram and it's easier to justify on the BOM than gigabit phys. I do keep an eye on my household lan usage and my xbox never goes over 100mbps down, the gigabit nic is pretty much spinning its wheels if used just for media.
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wolrah posted:Looking at my collection the actual range is more like 40-80, with the top spot going to Gemini Man at 85.9mbit/sec. The thing is that's average bitrate, where when we're discussing whether a network interface would be a bottleneck the peaks are what matters. That movie goes over 100mbit/sec all the time, over 120 intermittently, and even pushes the boundaries of UHD Bluray (officially 144mbit/sec) at points. i would assume that a gigabit NIC allows for more responsive seeking as well
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repiv posted:i would assume that a gigabit NIC allows for more responsive seeking as well I don't know about that -- increases your bandwidth, sure, but shouldn't mess with latency. I guess if you knew you had a wired gigabit connection, you could do some very aggressive caching / buffering in the background as opposed to a 100 Mbit connection where if you have a ~80 Mbit stream, you don't have a lot left to do other work. And then the streaming source needs to keep up with your I/O requests, of course. It's been a decade since I've been down in the nuts and bolts of multimedia stuff... naively thinking about it (I'm sure the big content providers do this) with static content, surely there's ways to generate ideal cache files that can be sideloaded /streamed slowly to optimize that kind of thing. MKV has had chapters since the start -- you know where your logical jump points are / number of key frames are. Sprinkle in some AI/ML bullshit on where people seek the most often (boobs) and you're all set!
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The only streaming service that remotely uses full bandwidth is Bravia Core from Sony, I've only ever seen Ghostbusters on it and it looked wonderful. But this is some silly bullshit: The Pure Stream™ feature requires an internet speed of at least 43 Mbps. To enjoy at the highest speed of 80 Mbps, you need an internet speed of 115 Mbps or faster. Ethernet (wired LAN) connections are limited to 100 Mbps due to the TV's product specifications. Therefore, to enjoy 80 Mbps with the Pure Stream™ functionality, you need to connect to a Wi-Fi router that supports IEEE 802.11 ac/n (wireless LAN).
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Animale posted:But this is some silly bullshit: Why is that bullshit? Streaming at a specific high bitrate requires a certain guaranteed throughput, and there will always be some overhead so they're reasonably hedging their bets.
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strtj posted:Why is that bullshit? Streaming at a specific high bitrate requires a certain guaranteed throughput, and there will always be some overhead so they're reasonably hedging their bets. The funny part of that to me is looking at the theoretical WiFi bandwidth numbers as a “solution”. I feel like I’d take a wired 100 Mbit connection over a WiFi link any day unless I was regularly doing large things in which case if I couldn’t get Gig, I’d do everything possible to optimize the WiFi connection. 1000BASE-T is just funny to me in terms of technology timing because it was SO FAR ahead of its time, yet cheaply and ubiquitously deployed to the point that when things cropped up to take advantage of it, it was everywhere.
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whats even more funny is streaming ended up making high-speed networking and large local storage not matter for most people
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Palladium posted:whats even more funny is streaming ended up making high-speed networking and large local storage not matter for most people Not for people like me that have the family Plex server.... I'm always worrying my upload speed isnt enough, and checking health on my drives.
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Someone at Apple clearly knows the Audiophile Test Tracks: quote:With two HomePod generation 2 speakers, the 3D imaging the system achieves is just… wow. This is the future of high-fidelity sound. Hearing such an enveloping, engaging, dynamic sound come from two compact, wireless, affordable speakers brought tears of joy to my eyes. I'm serious! Of course, every good demo has to have a grand finale. Apple showcased a live version of Hotel California—the 1994 MTV version. And I confess, that really got me. The thought I could not get out of my mind is how this level of sound quality will certainly be good enough for most people in most situations. Of course, there's a place in the world for big, powerful systems with tons of speakers, just like there's a place for DSLR cameras in a world of smartphones.
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Finally I can hate the Eagles at the appropriate fidelity
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its not fair Apple is beating us while we are busy peddling snake oil to DBT-banned cables subforum on head-fi
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I bet that spatial sound is just a fancy eq or sweet spot calibrator like you'd get in any cinema system and that makes it sound slightly different so the listener's brain thinks it's hearing some incredible clarity improvement.
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It feels like the same can be said of the IEM scene: https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1622429471390433280?s=20
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Would it be in the interest of the thread that I sift through vintage (from issue one) Playboys for the 'high end audio' they were trying to get people to buy on the full page advertisements?
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Humphreys posted:Would it be in the interest of the thread that I sift through vintage (from issue one) Playboys for the 'high end audio' they were trying to get people to buy on the full page advertisements? absolutely
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You just want an excuse to look at naked lady pictures
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tater_salad posted:You just want an excuse to look at naked lady pictures He wants to read all the articles again.
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Humphreys posted:Would it be in the interest of the thread that I sift through vintage (from issue one) Playboys for the 'high end audio' they were trying to get people to buy on the full page advertisements? The magazine itself occasionally had articles about audio equipment. I heard. From someone.
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AlexDeGruven posted:He wants to read all the articles again.
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Dear Playboy, I'd never think this would happen to me... I bought these audio rocks to brighten the sounds coming from my speakers that were specially built and tuned for my space and....
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There must be some amazing orange sofas, fur rugs and hanging plants in the accompanying pictures.
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qirex posted:There must be some amazing orange sofas, fur rugs and hanging plants in the accompanying pictures. Ironically all things that could have a way bigger positive impact on your listening experience than audiophile nonsense. But yeah, I also want to read about how hiring a couple of hot chicks to stand on either side of your setup wearing very little clothing is the way to get music the way it's meant to be heard (also technically true for many bands)
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