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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

the first ai work to make smile

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Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son



I agree but i think its good

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009


How many of the people who use this argument also sell commissions of characters without the permission of those characters' owners?

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001
intellectual property rights ftw

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

super sweet best pal posted:

How many of the people who use this argument also sell commissions of characters without the permission of those characters' owners?

who cares

do you want a sick job at openai or something

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

super sweet best pal posted:

How many of the people who use this argument also sell commissions of characters without the permission of those characters' owners?

ah yes, code that scrapes together pictures from other people's work is just like fanart

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

bitmap posted:

ah yes, code a brain that scrapes together pictures from other people's work is just like fanart

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

bitmap posted:

ah yes, code that scrapes together pictures from other people's work is just like fanart

yup it is

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIRbN52PA0o

Solar Sands just dropped a video about AI art and kinda digging into the framework of where legal arguments and other less opinion-driven discourse will go

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Has anyone suggested AI porn is progressive because there is no further exploitation beyond the use of the preexisting images used to train it?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

super sweet best pal posted:

Has anyone suggested AI porn is progressive because there is no further exploitation beyond the use of the preexisting images used to train it?

it would be a stupid and untrue thing to say, so surely someone would have

RPATDO_LAMD
Mar 22, 2013

🐘🪠🍆
it would be completely true
but you could say the same thing about written erotica or drawn jpegs already
https://twitter.com/beetlemoses/status/1619817683222167552?s=20

pretty much anything is better than the 'pro' porn industry's hell vortex of abuse

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

What are deep fakes

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Slavvy posted:

What are deep fakes

Using AI to seamlessly put somebody's face on another person's body so it looks like the target is saying/doing something they didnt, usually to their discredit.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

projecthalaxy posted:

Using AI to seamlessly put somebody's face on another person's body so it looks like the target is saying/doing something they didnt, usually to their discredit.

Whoa really?? I had no idea!! That's so progressive

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

Slavvy posted:

Whoa really?? I had no idea!! That's so progressive

no you see it uses preexisting images, so it's not exploitative :smug:

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

AI Seinfeld exists now

https://twitch.tv/watchmeforever

It's mostly just chatbot conversations but sometimes the models glitch out and do weird poo poo like float off their chairs or juke around.

e: lol, OpenAI went down so now it's set to output random nonsense for dialogue.

super sweet best pal has issued a correction as of 09:20 on Feb 1, 2023

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Deepfakes had actually existed as early as 2017 - Vice did an article on it the year after, and Pornhub and reddit immediately did a crackdown on the things after people started using it on people like Ivanka Trump, presumably worrying about the legal liability. It took down the practice of making photoshops of still images of celebrities at the same time, which of course was even older.

Streamers are vulnerable to such things because you need a lot of footage to build the model that'll be superimposed onto someone else's body - celebrities obviously have movies and shows, while streamers literally put their faces in front of a camera for hours at a time.

Combine that with the better accessibility of compute power since then (read: two generations of GPUs) and the proliferation of tailor-made software to do it, and you have the ingredients for disaster.

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

Sumerian Telecom posted:

However! Boy if it isn't skeevy as hell to make datasets off of living artists work, who don't consent and in fact are actively protesting against it. What the hell, buddy, what's the matter with you (you here being the abstract internet person making datasets off of living artists), parents never taught you manners? Did you not develop an internal moral compass? Why do this, why gloat about it online? Jesus, what cunts.
💯
The strangest argument I'm seeing here now is that advocating for artists' work to have some kind of protection is un-socialist because practically, copyright is (and can only ever be) enforced by those with the money to fight for it. The thinking is that there should be no copyright ever, or at least no copyright respected- which is whatever, clearly not part a wholly mature or well-formed worldview, which fits well with it actually being an anarchist position than a socialist one. The thing people seem to be missing is it's particularly contradictory when you start and end at the bottom by depriving artists and not doing (or being able to do) anything against a giant like Disney. It's just odd to see people couching their support of AI like they're fighting Big Copyright while simultaneously admitting the truth that only the smaller artists can get hosed over by what they're doing. So yeah, Disney or whoever sucks for a great many reasons, but the actual artists that are being steamrolled are in no way representative of this big copyright machine like the AI defenders are pretending them to be :shrug:

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

Zodium posted:

people who get mad when other people aren't clapping their hands like trained seals at "artificial intelligence" have the same energy as people who get mad other people aren't excited about nfts

projecthalaxy
Dec 27, 2008

Yes hello it is I Kurt's Secret Son


Personally I'm the kind of guy who thinks art shouldn't exist at all because its [insert political term for bad here] and im glad ai art is the stake through the heart of human expression

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

petit choux posted:

I have yet to see a computer that produces synthetic porn. That's not gonna be happening for a while. But imagine the argument I've been seeing here as applied to synthetic porn. I think people might launch a Butlerian jihad if we had that nowadays.

https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1620091517259087874

At first I watched the video and lol'd at this guy (and his wife??) wailing and rending garments over being caught watching porn on main (come on man), presuming Pokimane and Maya are characters from a cartoon or something. Then I actually read the tweet- they're fellow Twitch streamers and this guy claims to have "accidentally" viewed a deepfake porn video of them. Well why cry and apologize to this degree if it was really an accident? It should be obvious to everyone itt that he would have had to have commissioned that for it to even exist, hence the guilt and shame that would be disproportionate if it were actually accidental.

Still lol at him going "I've been watching so much AI stuff" :qq: as if that was the specific thing that drove him to this moral implosion :nallears: Sadly for him, only a human is capable of this kind of stupidity (and depravity).

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Futanari Damacy posted:

It should be obvious to everyone itt that he would have had to have commissioned that for it to even exist, hence the guilt and shame that would be disproportionate if it were actually accidental.

idk how to tell you this but these twitch streamers get tens of thousands of viewers during their streams, probably 90% of them are insane obsessives at or near the level of incels. this guy didn't commission poo poo

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

turn off the TV posted:

idk how to tell you this but these twitch streamers get tens of thousands of viewers during their streams, probably 90% of them are insane obsessives at or near the level of incels. this guy didn't commission poo poo

Eh you're probably right. But lmao at that struggle session- "I just want to create a safe place" well it'd be better if those safe spaces weren't created by people who are basically wolves in sheeps clothing- at the very least the creation of that porn was non-consensual, which some of the comments do seem to understand.

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
how did we go from "lie about everything, never post anything real about yourself on the internet, ever" to "yeah, just doxx yourself everyday everywhere, whatevs" as the dominant socially accepted common wisdom

that doesn't excuse any of this poo poo of course, there ain't no level of short skirt that says you were asking for it after all. but still. because it seems like the former is still the way way better mindset.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

lol what the gently caress did they just do the ChatGPT?

I mean, I understand the "why", they want a customer service bot, were using the public to beta test, but mechanically how did it get so much worse with the latest update? Is it still using the same language model and library?

Also, from a PR perspective, why kill their own product?

ScootsMcSkirt
Oct 29, 2013

Tree Reformat posted:

how did we go from "lie about everything, never post anything real about yourself on the internet, ever" to "yeah, just doxx yourself everyday everywhere, whatevs" as the dominant socially accepted common wisdom

that doesn't excuse any of this poo poo of course, there ain't no level of short skirt that says you were asking for it after all. but still. because it seems like the former is still the way way better mindset.

because you can make decent money by forming parasocial relationships with desperate nerds

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

Frosted Flake posted:

lol what the gently caress did they just do the ChatGPT?

I mean, I understand the "why", they want a customer service bot, were using the public to beta test, but mechanically how did it get so much worse with the latest update? Is it still using the same language model and library?

Also, from a PR perspective, why kill their own product?

because this was a public beta test to get the kinks out because they themselves couldn't figure out what to ask it to test it. they admitted this themselves. they now have all the training data they need due to being way, way more popular than expected, so now they have to start winding down the public beta both to try to stop hemorrhaging operating costs and to try and turn the heat down on public opinion on their ai products.

chatgpt was never the product, it was the prototype for much larger systems. ones ideally (from theirs and the MIC's perspectives) the public will never know about.

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Tree Reformat posted:

chatgpt was never the product, it was the prototype for much larger systems. ones ideally (from theirs and the MIC's perspectives) the public will never know about.

https://github.com/features/copilot/
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/

crazy that these secret projects hidden from the public are just visible on the internet and advertised

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

turn off the TV posted:

https://github.com/features/copilot/
https://powerapps.microsoft.com/en-us/

crazy that these secret projects hidden from the public are just visible on the internet and advertised

the whole "MIC" part of that quote kinda just flew over your head, didn't it

the real money is in nuclear missile train/submarine detection ais and even more dystopian 24/7 city police ais, my good dude

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

Tree Reformat posted:

the whole "MIC" part of that quote kinda just flew over your head, didn't it

the real money is in nuclear missile train/submarine detection ais and even more dystopian 24/7 city police ais, my good dude

There was an article recently about how the signal cast from wifi can identify where you are in a room down to your body's exact orientation by what it bounces back or reads as negative space, similar to radar. The goal will be to train the AI on predictive behaviours leading up to the commission of a crime- a sort of, "pre-crime" if you will

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Tree Reformat posted:

the whole "MIC" part of that quote kinda just flew over your head, didn't it

the real money is in nuclear missile train/submarine detection ais and even more dystopian 24/7 city police ais, my good dude

i think that you're confused here

GPT-3 is the AI that writes erotic sonic the hedgehog slashfic. CLIP is the AI that's tied into the image recognition and surveillance tech

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Futanari Damacy posted:

There was an article recently about how the signal cast from wifi can identify where you are in a room down to your body's exact orientation by what it bounces back or reads as negative space, similar to radar. The goal will be to train the AI on predictive behaviours leading up to the commission of a crime- a sort of, "pre-crime" if you will

in addition to echolocation, gait recognition is a thing machine learning legitimately does very well. :nsa:

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

Rutibex posted:

oh another AI thread, hello
Lol at this guy getting brain poisoned by AI and rightly eating poo poo for it

Zodium posted:

in addition to echolocation, gait recognition is a thing machine learning legitimately does very well. :nsa:
Walk without rhythm, it won't attract the worm :hmmyes:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Tree Reformat posted:

chatgpt was never the product, it was the prototype for much larger systems. ones ideally (from theirs and the MIC's perspectives) the public will never know about.

incidentally I'm now on the ledge about whether the Erdogan corruption tape recordings released in 2013 were "really real." it was a huge thing.

Erdogan et al never denied the voices weren't their voices, but ardently claimed that the contents of the messages were assembled "in a montage" or synthesized in some way.

at the time, the level of technology the public had been exposed to was not advanced at all, so opposition Turkish online commentators were dismissive and laughed at the idea that such a high fidelity recording could be assembled via "montage."

foreign sources analyzers the tapes and determined they were true by looking at the pixels and poo poo:
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24764323.html

quote:

Evidence mounted that a series of audio recordings in which Erdogan can be heard instructing his son, Bilal, to get rid of enormous sums of money are authentic, with the government firing two senior officials at the state scientific agency responsible for the security of encrypted telephones and a U.S.-based expert on encrypted communications, after examining the recordings, telling McClatchy that the recordings appear to be genuine.

Erdogan on Tuesday called the five purported conversations an “immoral montage” that had been “dubbed.” But he acknowledged that even his secure telephone had been tapped.

The only apparent “montage” was combining the five different conversations into one audio file, said Joshua Marpet, a U.S.-based cyber analyst who has testified in court on the validity of computer evidence in other Turkish criminal cases. He said there was no sign that the individual conversations had been edited.

“If it’s fake, it’s of a sophistication that I haven’t seen,” he said.
. . .
At McClatchy’s request, Marpet, the managing principal of Guarded Risk, a Wilmington, Del., cyber analytics firm, examined the conversations purported to be between Erdogan and his son.

Marpet, who has a background in law enforcement and has done work for the Federal Reserve Bank in Philadelphia as well as testifying in Turkish criminal cases, said there were small sound “spikes” in the recording when one of the speakers mentioned a place name or an individual, but they could be annotations by whoever was monitoring the recording.

Marpet said the audio levels were consistent in each call. The speaker said to be Erdogan had a more “pixilated” or mechanical sounding voice, while the speaker said to be Bilal sounded clearer throughout. This could be because of differences in the phones – pro-government newspapers identified them as CryptoPhones – or in the way they were monitored. Marpet said it was possible that Erdogan’s phone was being intercepted electronically, while Bilal’s phone might have had a listening device planted in the receiver.

Based on the judgment of a Turkish-speaking McClatchy special correspondent that the two men’s voices sounded natural and that the question and answers flowed naturally, and the tone was appropriate for the conversation, “then I’m actually thinking it’s probably real,” Marpet said.
at the time I doubted the feasibility of such high fidelity montage. now I bet the government/MIC had this level of stuff in 2013. :nsacloud:

Second Hand Meat Mouth
Sep 12, 2001

Futanari Damacy posted:

Lol at this guy getting brain poisoned by AI and rightly eating poo poo for it

buddy his brain was poisoned long before the AI

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

turn off the TV posted:

i think that you're confused here

GPT-3 is the AI that writes erotic sonic the hedgehog slashfic. CLIP is the AI that's tied into the image recognition and surveillance tech

GPT-3 can just as easily be used as a front-end for other ai systems. Some mutton-headed general types in "write me a report on current Russian nuclear readiness", GPT-n writes a bunch of commands to like the sat picture reading and comm listening ais, they crunch and send their raw findings to GPT-n, which then uses it to write a perfectly formatted briefing for the braindead general about how there is currently a gap in the eastern Siberian bases that would be best exploited by first-striking in the next 24 hours.

And that's how Wargames becomes a documentary.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

mawarannahr posted:

at the time I doubted the feasibility of such high fidelity montage. now I bet the government/MIC had this level of stuff in 2013. :nsacloud:

Absolutely. This tech has existed for a long time. The difference is the availability of the hardware that can do it on a desktop, in minutes.

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Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

ai art is perfected

https://clips.twitch.tv/SparklyEnergeticKiwiFUNgineer-e83HX3xDaOraecoZ

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