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Zenostein posted:Probably quite a bit, since apparently this world runs on predestination (seemingly). I guess our not being in irminsul would explain why she couldn't see anything, assuming her scrying is just reading the future from the tree or whatever. Not sure if the story said irminsul only holds that which has happened, or everything. Plus, it seems like everyone else seems to know an absurd amount about the way the world works, and just could not possibly be bothered to share that knowledge until something's gone to hell. More ~*deep lore*~ speculation: We know the Akademiya nuts were able to use the Akasha system to accurately predict the movements and decisions of their head campus cop just from feeding in all the data his Akasha terminal had, and the Akasha system seems like it was just a much shittier and more limited version of Irminsul itself. Presumably, if you have Perfect History Of The World, you can extremely accurately predict the future on timescales that matter to mortals. That's probably why Mona's predictions seem to always be perfectly accurate: she's just tapping into Laplace's The big hinting to me is that either Teyvat is just The Matrix, or Celestia/Heavenly Principals is overlaying a The Matrix overtop of Teyvat and using humans as the favored processing medium for whatever reason (and really pissing off what's left of the vishaps in the process, lol).
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FractalSandwich posted:How do Nilou teams deal with the fact that you can't reliably trigger all your reactions with the one character you've stacked EM on, like Hyperbloom and Burgeon? Do you just stack HP on Nilou and rely on any party-wide buffs you can get as your main source of EM? Or are you supposed to somehow scrounge up three full sets of EM gear? You really just want to press E three times for her hydro field and then switch away. If I go to my HP% maidens beloved Barbara afterwards(with Nahida's E on the enemy of course), her AA kills things pretty fast somehow, lmfao.
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Nilou blooms seem to work like you'd expect - the character that creates the bloom is the one that uses their EM, plus the Nilou ascension buff (+9% damage for every 1k HP above 30k). Nahida at a total of 834% bonus damage hits a wet enemy, does 21.7k bloom damage. Kokomi at 499% bonus damage hits a dendro, does 13k bloom damage. Given how dendro tends to dominate over hydro, you could build EM Kokomi/Barbara and try and exclusively use them as a trigger, but I preferred to run Yelan so I'd have some grouping, and just sort of switch between spamming normals on Nahida and Kokomi depending on what I needed for more blooms. You could give Nilou an EM sword, and with a few lucky substats and buffs probably hit 500EM pretty easily, so she'd be an ok trigger herself, but I just avoid using her on-field as much as possible, which is a bit disappointing.
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Tree Reformat posted:More ~*deep lore*~ speculation: We know the Akademiya nuts were able to use the Akasha system to accurately predict the movements and decisions of their head campus cop just from feeding in all the data his Akasha terminal had, and the Akasha system seems like it was just a much shittier and more limited version of Irminsul itself. Presumably, if you have Perfect History Of The World, you can extremely accurately predict the future on timescales that matter to mortals. That's probably why Mona's predictions seem to always be perfectly accurate: she's just tapping into Laplace's Ever play Transistor (by the same people who did Bastion) or SOMA? All pure speculation but since its plot related spoiler tags: I get the impression Teyvat is a little of both but created by a higher power. So a re-programmable reality that isn't just a computer sim since it's "real but mutable" however also works a bit like one, to an extent. Possibly powered or running on actual magical principles. Also an ark of sorts with people trapped inside it who are better off not knowing both that its an ark, also whatever its an ark running from. The heavenly principles chick in the intro is basically Clu from the Tron movie. A system administrator who deletes corrupted data and harmful software. Or forbidden knowledge and harmful descenders. Then again it could just be a Pillar of Eternity situation where The whole world is just running on the principles of ancient machinery created by the long dead which controls life, death & magic and the handful who know the truth and maintain the system are the beings we call gods, who were once regular folks before they got powers by tapping into the machine. Hence the plot to seize heaven. Super bonus dumb plot idea: It's just people living in a TARDIS inside a large room configured to look like an entire fantasy world, since time lord timeships can contain whole universes it's actually the equivalent of a long forgotten closet. DancingShade fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Feb 1, 2023 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Nilou + Nahida is fantastic but the trouble is so is Nahida + literally anyone and there are enough modes where you can't duplicate characters across teams for this to be a problem Nilou + Nahida + Yelan + Kokomi is downright lunacy. A small green child does hopscotch as everything explodes. But since its all 5 stars you'd hope so.
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I'm slowly working on Yaoyao in order to pair with Nilou. What does a Nilou Bloom team look like when you don't have Nahida or Kokomi? My current thought is Nilou + Yaoyao + Collei/DMC + Xingqiu.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:I'm slowly working on Yaoyao in order to pair with Nilou. What does a Nilou Bloom team look like when you don't have Nahida or Kokomi? My current thought is Nilou + Yaoyao + Collei/DMC + Xingqiu. If you lack both nahida & kokomi the team you suggested seems like a reaonable alternative.
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YoshiOfYellow posted:I'm slowly working on Yaoyao in order to pair with Nilou. What does a Nilou Bloom team look like when you don't have Nahida or Kokomi? My current thought is Nilou + Yaoyao + Collei/DMC + Xingqiu. that's basically the ultimate Nilou poverty team and then all of those characters except Yaoyao have 5-star replacements that perform roughly the same role you could also do Nilou / dendro of your choice x2 / Barbara but i suspect the Yaoyao version is better, although i haven't leveled my Yaoyao yet
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YoshiOfYellow posted:I'm slowly working on Yaoyao in order to pair with Nilou. What does a Nilou Bloom team look like when you don't have Nahida or Kokomi? My current thought is Nilou + Yaoyao + Collei/DMC + Xingqiu. That sounds solid. The only real draw back is, other than blooms, your only real damage dealers are Xingqiu and maybe Nilou. I only took Dendro Traveler's talents to 8 because I could never get good numbers out of them, and Collei isn't that much better.
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DancingShade posted:A small green child does hopscotch as everything explodes. this is just every Nahida team
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No Wave posted:I havent sweated this much in abyss for a year+. good times. What tripped you up in the new rotation?
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ExtrudeAlongCurve posted:What tripped you up in the new rotation? The chicken+scorpion got me pretty good. I thought I could use Kokomi's burst and just mash out attacks to heal the huge amount of damage they had already caused. It's a good abyss. Just some tough fights, no weird gimmicks or bosses that can decide not to take damage for a while.
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Maxwell Adams posted:The chicken+scorpion got me pretty good. I thought I could use Kokomi's burst and just mash out attacks to heal the huge amount of damage they had already caused. I'm trying the abyss now due to No Waves post, and having anyone who gets hit by the scorpion/bird dead before they hit the floor from juggling is just a big holy crap. The loving stun locks from their attacks are also brutal. I may have to come up with a new strategy than off-Raiden national (Nahida instead of Xingqiu) edit: Got it beat, with 28 seconds to spare. It really just came down to not doing anything but waiting for them to attack, and then surviving them with my bursts' invulnerability window. Also grouped them up nicely. ninjoatse.cx fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Feb 1, 2023 |
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I found this cycle pretty easy and one shot everything. My floor 12 teams were Nahida/Raiden/Yelan/XQ and Sucrose/Fischl/Beidou/Yaoyao. Melt Ganyu would have been fine as well but I wanted to use Yaoyao.
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DancingShade posted:Ever play Transistor (by the same people who did Bastion) or SOMA? While I do not expect them to ever say the word "Honkai," I'm still pretty sure that Teyvat is related to Previous Era's Ark and at least part of the deal with Celestia blowing up a bunch of places and the Heavenly Principles locking any visitors in is to not draw Honkai's attention. I saw a theory a while back that the Primordial One is actually the little painter girl from Honkai grown up with her powers having gotten way stronger, and while I'm not entirely convinced, especially with Teyvat's computer themes, I suppose a reality warper's painting would qualify as an overlay on reality like that.
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Captain France posted:While I do not expect them to ever say the word "Honkai," I'm still pretty sure that Teyvat is related to Previous Era's Ark and at least part of the deal with Celestia blowing up a bunch of places and the Heavenly Principles locking any visitors in is to not draw Honkai's attention. Yeah, I did a bunch of megaposts on this back in the day. The Ark was always a massive plot branch that never was explored* and left open for a massive reveal that obviously was never going to come in Honkai itself given where the plot goes. There's also the fact that there's indications of early to at worst mid stage Honkai poisoning evident in some of the members of the populace, complete with some of the enemies that have gone a bit loopy (an early sign that you're going to die or if you're in a modern era likely get zombified) having it somewhat hidden on their models. It seems like Genshin is kind of an alternate take on Honkai Impact's approach to dealing with Honkai. While Honkai Impacts focuses on the idea of fighting the Honkai in all out war (along with the ways that this can work or go horribly wrong for the people in that world, depending on the era) it does seem like Teyvat (itself a word meaning Ark when properly read) is the alternative take to dealing with Honkai's adaptive properties: Namely, to keep the technology level low as possible and die as peasants in the mud so it can lord over you like a shitlord and not outright exterminate you. Of course, as Genshin shows this tends to loving suck for the inhabitants in a variety of ways. We've already got confirmation in Honkai that the previous era could make simulated worlds (literally data backups of people and even entire simulated worlds) too. Which could presumably mean that it wouldn't be any effort at all to just upload a bunch of people into it and shoot it off into space with the means to produce a civilization on a version of Earth that isn't a massive poo poo show. However, a big thing with the painter girl theory is that if we go off of visual appearance and demeanor alone the antagonist in the intro is clearly either another Kiana clone, the even more misanthropic girl possessing her body, or maybe even one of this world's versions of Kiana herself. Who is in her void goddess outfit and persona. Which given the whole Herrscher of Void poo poo and how misanthropic and gleefully sadistic and destructive it is generally infers that something went horribly wrong and that the Ark is under hostile occupation of some sort in all likelihood. * TL;DR When it became obvious that humanity was going to be wiped out they deployed several plans to survive to the modern era. One of them was to send out an "ark". Which weirdly looked nothing like an ark given it's relative size to the planet. It was implied they were some sort of person sized duo or probes or something like that. Said ark also matches the flight design of the twins and the weird spiraling lights in the intro representing them (along with matching the flight patterns of the different color representing the gacha pulls, oddly enough) perfectly. It's noted by the survivors of the failed war that took place in previous era that the ark just seemingly vanished from reality the second it hit the outermost edges of the solar system, as if something had teleported it away or deleted it from existence. Note that Honkai doesn't go out that far, which is noted as being odd. Edit: Also, the special glider design from preordering on consoles or whatever gave it is literally the emblem of the Fire Moth's resistance movement that got slaughtered after the previous era lost the war, collapsed into a Machiavellian poo poo show over time, and eventually managed to produce a bunch of survival plans like the Ark. It's lore description also notes the twins being spoken to by a woman that was probably Mei (As in, the Raiden Shogun who rides around in what is essentially a sword and robot duplicate. Her previous era reincarnation/whatever was a scientist.) was probably equipping them to flee the planet and wishing them good luck. Archonex fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Feb 1, 2023 |
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Cat-shaped Witch posted:Wait, you're telling me the plot of Genshin and Soma are the same? Simon and Paimon are about as good at putting 2 and 2 together as the other so- Wait. Simon...Paimon...?! My god, the connections were there from the beginning!
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Zenostein posted:That everything is managed also explains silly bullshit like nahida's mouse cursor, so that's nice and tidy. She's basically got admin access
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ninjoatse.cx posted:I'm trying the abyss now due to No Waves post, and having anyone who gets hit by the scorpion/bird dead before they hit the floor from juggling is just a big holy crap.
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FractalSandwich posted:How do Nilou teams deal with the fact that you can't reliably trigger all your reactions with the one character you've stacked EM on, like Hyperbloom and Burgeon? Do you just stack HP on Nilou and rely on any party-wide buffs you can get as your main source of EM? Or are you supposed to somehow scrounge up three full sets of EM gear? if you run 3 hydro + nahida as the on-fielder it becomes a lot more reliable with nahida as the source of most of the reactions. probably alhaitham works too? idk 2 hydro 2 dendro is gonna be much more awkward though
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:lmao the new event quest lampshades the eternal "does the Traveler wander around with 4 random people he's met at all times, or just imitate their fighting styles?" question Haven't done the event yet, but I wouldn't think the traveler copies them, I'd blame piamon summoning copies using the same handwave of leylines that make spirit memories and Paimon's star cloak and bits of constellations in their shifting space sections of her costume being hints of that. I guess paimon could be transforming the traveller or some weird interaction there too.
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MajorBonnet posted:The Traveler pretends to be the people they've met like kids playing make believe, but since they have the power of God and anime no one dares to question their terrible impersonations. Absolutely nobody questions the lunatic waving around a spear, two swords, and a floating book. Especially not when they can somehow use them all with weird elemental bullshit. Unrelated to anything, layla's attack animations look kinda like she's playing tennis.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:lmao the new event quest lampshades the eternal "does the Traveler wander around with 4 random people he's met at all times, or just imitate their fighting styles?" question Does Traveller also imagine really hard that Lisa lives in his house? And that he made a library for her? And that they hung out in the library and she talked about inventing fabric softener?
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Maxwell Adams posted:Does Traveller also imagine really hard that Lisa lives in his house? And that he made a library for her? And that they hung out in the library and she talked about inventing fabric softener? the traveler is just subjecting paimon to all their messed up schizophrenic hallucinated friendship delusions, and she's just desperately trying to play along with all of them
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Tree Reformat posted:the traveler is just subjecting paimon to all their messed up schizophrenic hallucinated friendship delusions, and she's just desperately trying to play along with all of them The real reason Paimon is taking the Traveler around to meet the Archons is in hopes that one of them will be the one to take the Traveler down
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Real Cool Catfish posted:Layla’s best animation is still “press E to fall asleep”.  location spoiler, i guess   Layla's quite powerful.  Nice that she can visit a powerful senpai, though. Lambad's tavern, 2nd floor is where Lisa's washed up for day 2, or maybe after you finish the domain the first time? Who knows if they're actually just moving her every day at server reset. Gonna spoil this in case someone's insane enough to want to comb the entire drat map looking for her.
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This would also explain why The Abyss, which could be space but also looks a LOT like Honkai's Sea Of Quanta, is "down" instead of "up." It actually is up it's just that the world is upside down. Also it occurs to me I have no idea how much to spoiler background lore and no idea how much to spoiler speculation based on background lore.
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