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3D Megadoodoo posted:too bad it's not how language works language works; however, you want it too
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Centrist Committee posted:language works; however, you want it too!
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Centrist Committee posted:language? works! however, you want it too?
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My econ teacher in high school 20 years ago had a real bug up his rear end about unemployment he constantly talked about how unemployment should be at least 5% that 5% is normal and he'd go on about how anything lower was not right for certain reasons that I can't remember. But I still think about him when I see how our unemployment is 3% right now
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:My econ teacher in high school 20 years ago had a real bug up his rear end about unemployment he constantly talked about how unemployment should be at least 5% that 5% is normal and he'd go on about how anything lower was not right for certain reasons that I can't remember. But I still think about him when I see how our unemployment is 3% right now Economists are obsessed with the idea that it is a natural law that some people have to lose because it justifies all the ground up corpses in the machine
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a lot of pages ago, someone said something good about Obamacare. Obamacare sucks and has driven up prices because the invisible hand of the market is actually a gout goitered hand of some rich gently caress. Obamacare is what right of center puts forth to not seem offensive. 20 years ago, “good bennies” or more like “ok benefits” were 100% health insurance coverage from your employer. Now it’s some poo poo tier company self insure. What changed? The gov’t let the free market dictate what should have been a benefit of being a human.
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To be fair... posted:a lot of pages ago, someone said something good about Obamacare. you uh seem to have no idea what health benefits were like 20 years ago. they were also poo poo
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:My econ teacher in high school 20 years ago had a real bug up his rear end about unemployment he constantly talked about how unemployment should be at least 5% that 5% is normal and he'd go on about how anything lower was not right for certain reasons that I can't remember. But I still think about him when I see how our unemployment is 3% right now NAIRU - the Non Accelerating Inflation Rate of Unemployment - was calculated as 5% or so at some point in the past and no one thinks to reassess that number because NAIRU is nonsense based on other bad economics like the Phillips Curve but bag em and tag em posted:Economists are obsessed with the idea that it is a natural law that some people have to lose because it justifies all the ground up corpses in the machine
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Bar Ran Dun posted:you uh seem to have no idea what health benefits were like 20 years ago. no copays no deductibles no monthly cost that was for an low tier computer toucher I’m not saying the market is good or something, but it’s observably worse than it was within a given field.
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To be fair... posted:no copays maybe 40 years ago. when i started 16 years ago, at a company that comparatively had good benis i didn't get that. Now my benis have gotten worse but still comparatively better then most, which are poo poo
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it's all anecdotal anyway i had a job that had decent benefits that all completely vanished never to be replaced in 2011 because the premiums went through the roof and i was forced onto obama care and as such I had terrible insurance for about 2 years and then none until 2022 gently caress obamacare, gently caress its supporters, and gently caress all the people who use it as a justification to stop doing anything, which is to say every last democrat and democrat voter being 'better' than other american/republican options is not and never has been good enough
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Yeah, my benefits were fine at the beginning but then went down over time. By the time I left the company, it was at a point where the company was self insuring and to have a baby cost 4000$ out of pocket. They were telling people not to go to the doctor, lol.
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which is why, i dont understand why there aren't at least a handful of companies pushing for M4A. Obviously if your a health provider or insurance company it will gently caress over your bottom line, but there's gotta be hundreds of CFOs at other companies who are just jizzing at the idea of having the government pay for employee health care so they can give that $1900 a month for a family of 4 back to the shareholders
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The Nastier Nate posted:which is why, i dont understand why there aren't at least a handful of companies pushing for M4A. The healthcare is why people keep their miserable jobs
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The Nastier Nate posted:which is why, i dont understand why there aren't at least a handful of companies pushing for M4A. not if it will reduce their ability to threaten their employees with death and disease for quitting or complaining they won't
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Companies will spend any amount of money to not give money to their corpo-serfs.
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Employees at NYCT who started in the 80s got a fully funded pension they paid nothing for. Any overtime worked was pensionable and their pension was based off their best salary year. They were eligible to retire after 20 years of work regardless of age. They paid zero into their health insurance which typically had no deductibles. People who start now pay 6% of their gross pay into their pension, which is based on their base salary only, with some small token amount of overtime being pensionable. They must have 25 years of work and be at least 55 years old. They pay an additional 2% of their gross pay into their health insurance, which is taken at increasingly few places, has 20 dollar copays for most things and 100 dollar copays for ED visits. It still has no deductibles for most plans. My point is that while the benefits now are quite good and plenty of people would kill to have a pension and a no deductible health insurance for only 8% of their gross income, it represents a steady erosion of what the notion of 'good' benefits are. Over the course of my career I've seen benefits get continually worse and even when you ask the TWU Local 100 leadership what it would take to get a raise above inflation or to push back on any of these cuts they laugh you out of the meeting. Almost everything is done in service of protecting the old guard and keeping overtime flowing instead of things like proper staffing, or paying people enough to live comfortably in this dogshit expensive city without working 70+ hours a week.
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Its like the one thing all capitalists agree is a Good Expense
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500excf type r posted:The healthcare is why people keep their miserable jobs Yup. It's also why things will never improve on that front
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To be fair... posted:Yeah, my benefits were fine at the beginning but then went down over time. that’s been happening for half a century easily. The decline of unions and the increasing influence of MBAs are driving a lot of that. Along with neo-liberalism eroding everything. 500excf type r posted:The healthcare is why people keep their miserable jobs that was worse with preexisting conditions.
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When I'm sick I go to the doctor, and when I get really sick I go in an ambulance to a hospital. This of covered by my taxes. But don't worry, my government is working to fix this by defunding the public option and introducing better, market based alternatives.
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BonHair posted:When I'm sick I go to the doctor, and when I get really sick I go in an ambulance to a hospital. This of covered by my taxes.  hail Mammon
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I will say that when I had my first kid (for free!), we were put in the special section for vulnerable/troubled parents for reasons unknown. And let me tell you, some of them were obviously poor and as such undeserving of care or help. Clearly a horrible system!
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To be fair... posted:Obamacare sucks and has driven up prices because the invisible hand of the market is actually a gout goitered hand of some rich gently caress. I donät know anything about Obamacare, but do you think the prices wouldn't've gone up anyway?
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When my kid was born (for free too!) they put us up in the attached hotel for new parents for two days and nights, with classes and poo poo for those that needed it, it was a fantastic arrangement that did immeasurable good for countless thousands of new parents over the last two decades. It's gone now of course, replaced with nothing other than even less staff and fewer beds.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I donät know anything about Obamacare, but do you think the prices wouldn't've gone up anyway? a perfect two part post. just mastery here.
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As an economist I am convinced parents love children born for free less than those born at great expense.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I donät know anything about Obamacare, but do you think the prices wouldn't've gone up anyway? that’s what was already happening before they passed it. it doesn’t look like it did much of anything noticeable to trends . premiums jumped in 09 but that didn’t correspond to a change in the total out of pocket per capita cost trends. (so premiums higher but total costs for the year about the same)
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I donät know anything about Obamacare, but do you think the prices wouldn't've gone up anyway? I think something else would have shown up instead of Obamacare and it's hard to imagine something worse. The only saving grace it has is the extremely opaque cost sharing reductions that most people don't even avail themselves of Having the feds call you up to ask you to prove next year's income is just a completely insane system , I'm glad that only happened for a few years The people who specifically got screwed over were young males, because we had very cheap premiums with just as bad , if not better, deductibles compared to ppaca. But those plans were axed to bring down pricing for expectant mothers, 60 year olds etc. Granted, the 60 year olds were still having to pay 3x as much, it was just "better" for the young guys The thing that makes me most insane about ppaca was it was explicitly intended to end all workplace insurance, especially union health plans, and only by sheer blind luck that didn't happen. People would have a much different view of it if they all got knocked off their so called Cadillac plans like Obama intended mastershakeman has issued a correction as of 18:46 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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Orange Devil posted:As an economist I am convinced parents love children born for free less than those born at great expense. Not economists, but I’m reminded of how decades ago there used to be a really bad epidemic of babies in hospitals failing to thrive and they thought it was malnutrition or infection and they kept brainstorming and trying poo poo for years until eventually someone had the bright idea of “hey, what if we held them?” and surprise surprise babies like physical contact I guess what I’m saying is that idiots run the world
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christmas boots posted:Not economists, but I’m reminded of how decades ago there used to be a really bad epidemic of babies in hospitals failing to thrive and they thought it was malnutrition or infection and they kept brainstorming and trying poo poo for years until eventually someone had the bright idea of “hey, what if we held them?” and surprise surprise babies like physical contact Malevolent idiots.
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BonHair posted:When I'm sick I go to the doctor, and when I get really sick I go in an ambulance to a hospital. This of covered by my taxes. Are you British or Canadian?
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Here in Norway many highly paid serious responsible men and at least one serious responsible woman are making GBS threads out long screeds on how the public health option and welfare state are clearly unable to function with all their staffing issues and other assorted problems (all of them caused by the gradual defunding of the public option in favor of increased privatisation) and wouldn't you know it, the only solution is increasing privatisation! Only the private sector can solve the case of no one wants to be a nurse/doctor/midwife/careworker/etc FOR SOME REASON that has nothing to do with abysmal pay, restricted right to organised action, insane borderline abusive working conditions. It is almost funny in a jokerfied way to see the insane mental acrobatics these ghouls go through to never mention pay and compensation as a reason people shun all these careers Biplane has issued a correction as of 19:26 on Feb 4, 2023 |
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I donät know anything about Obamacare, but do you think the prices wouldn't've gone up anyway? We don’t know tbh. I do know that existing in an area where a service is required (say car insurance) they have you by the short and curlies. The companies who sell it know you have to have it so they hike it. It’s a protected weird thing. You don’t have a choice so there’s no real top to what they can charge. Obamacare sucks as it’s the typical neoliberal half assed poo poo that gives power to beneficent billionaires since technocrats know everything. Single payer or bust. Obamacare appeased liberals (see centrists) to the point they could be convinced to declaw any idea of M4A. Insurance companies are parasites, hth.
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