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hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Hadlock posted:

Sea State 4 is defined as 1.25 to 2.5 metres (4 ft 1 in to 8 ft 2 in) and state 5 is 2.5 to 4 metres (8 ft 2 in to 13 ft 1 in)



Trying to imagine taking off and landing in 8 ft waves, holy poo poo. Then fill your cargo bay with six an M1A2 tanks

While basic seakeeping would of course be very possible - just build a boat - the speeds necessary for take offs and landings at that sea states would probably be very problematic for a conventional aircraft. The obvious solution here then would be a STOL or VTOL configuration. Thrust would probably have to pivot quickly at takeoff power to keep a larger craft's thrust vector from going crazy when there is a potential 8ft+ (safety margin after all) difference between wings. These should be solvable issues given sufficiently absurd resources.

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bennyfactor
Nov 21, 2008

Hadlock posted:

It says "Goals include" so I'm not sure if that's strict criteria

The China Clippers of yore had a monohull with two pontoons, both were a fair distance higher than the waterline, I think combined with the righting moment of a structure that massive, probably gave pretty good seafaring capability in up to 3.5' waves, which you'd expect to find nearly anywhere. Hugely wild speculation but I'm guessing they end up with a china clipper looking thing, cargo floor being ~85' long and 15' wide, plus nose and tail. Biplane might not be totally unreasonable to shrink the wingspan and avoid excessive loading forces while beached

So like a bigger US-2?

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

giant tiltrotor quadcopter

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

bennyfactor posted:

So like a bigger US-2?

Yeah pretty much exactly like that, with a 747 vertical hinge nosecone

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

The solution is and always will be “strap some JATOs on the bitch”.

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010
How about a collapsible hydrofoil for taking off?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Clearly the solution is bringing back Sea Dragon. It doesn't even have to make orbit, just turn it into a ballistic delivery vehicle. :black101:

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Syncopated posted:

How about a collapsible hydrofoil for taking off?

Don't worry, things will be collapsing.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

They might be able to airlift an M1A2 to the beach if the aircraft is somehow able to do a PTO (power take off) from the tanks turbine engine. Some kind of stupid movie synergy like Pacific Rim

Weird beach lander quadcopters sound like a much better, weirdly, less stupid, solution than building an old fashioned airplane. Replace the rotors with old 747 engines or something

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Hadlock posted:

They might be able to airlift an M1A2 to the beach if the aircraft is somehow able to do a PTO (power take off) from the tanks turbine engine. Some kind of stupid movie synergy like Pacific Rim

Weird beach lander quadcopters sound like a much better, weirdly, less stupid, solution than building an old fashioned airplane. Replace the rotors with old 747 engines or something

I can't help but think the use of propellers signifies a nuclear powerplant, which is going to be a non-starter for all kinds of reasons.

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti

Animal posted:

are you guys tracking the delivery flight for the last 747? Little easter egg in the route
https://flightaware.com/live/flight...Lquvhx3jksXE5BA

an image for the lazy



Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/10p5tjo/ladies_and_gentlemen_i_have_officially_lost_count/

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost

Salami Surgeon posted:

I've been fiddling with it for over an hour now. Probably 30 minutes to unbox, write the image, boot, and set the WiFi. Then I cannot connect to it when it's on my WiFi. ADSBexchange says it's getting my data, I can see the MAC in my DHCP leases, but I can't connect to my pi locally now. I'll fiddle with it some more later.

I got it to work.

Installation is pretty painless. Just put the image on the SD card then boot. Wait for the ADSBx-config network to show up and connect. Go to http://adsbexchange.local/ and set it up to connect to your WiFi. The pi will start spitting out data to adsbexchange. All same as the instructions.

This is where it broke down for me. http://adsbexchange.local/ no longer worked even though I knew it was on my network and running. If this happens to you, you need to use the IP, not the URL.

Feeding flightaware and flightradar24 is easy. Go to http://adsbexchange.local/otherfeeds or IP/otherfeeds and enter the information. No link on the main page, gotta enter the address manually. With flightaware, you'll need to log on using the same IP as your feeder. I haven't looked at feeding other sites or turning off adsbexchange feed yet.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/special-operations-c-130-seaplane-program-put-on-back-burner

Apparently the old seaplane was getting too close to commercial viability, so they moved the goal posts and restarted the program

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Be gay and do barrel rolls.

go play outside Skyler
Nov 7, 2005


Is this the thread to talk about the chinese spy balloon?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/us/politics/china-spy-balloon-pentagon.html

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Cold War thread has a good discussion about it

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



Platystemon posted:

Be gay and do barrel rolls.



*Marked 'safe' from fundamentalist torpedoes*

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

The balloon made my day fun

fknlo fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Feb 3, 2023

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Hadlock posted:

They might be able to airlift an M1A2 to the beach if the aircraft is somehow able to do a PTO (power take off) from the tanks turbine engine. Some kind of stupid movie synergy like Pacific Rim

Weird beach lander quadcopters sound like a much better, weirdly, less stupid, solution than building an old fashioned airplane. Replace the rotors with old 747 engines or something
Just turn the M1 into a quadcopter

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

slidebite posted:

Just turn the M1 into a quadcopter

Hovertanks! At last!

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

slidebite posted:

Just turn the M1 into a quadcopter

Dahir Insaat ears are ringing right now.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

My Airship Flights by Capt. George Meager

Excerpts from a book in a series of short, low effort posts

Sorry this is late, the death of a friend made posting no fun. One of the last things he said to me that while he hated air travel and domestically always drove or used trains, he'd be down for airship flying.

Just FYI, I've no idea if this origin story is true or not. Er, where the word blimp comes from, not if Meager saw porpoises



One pilot nicknamed the Count, mwa ha ha ha! Amazing name: Flt. Lt. Roach-Smith. Also, Meager, Rope, your fuel filter is getting clogged with mud? That's not normal for gas engines.





Meager gets advanced to being a Coastal class pilot. Pilots, check out this control system



Classic British understatement; yeet the jacket



Airships: like sailing ships with more turnbuckles



"There's your problem: engine isn't screwed into its mount."



Flying in thick fog with one or no engines



Now I'd be worried about machine-gunning a naval mine for fear it would explode



Don't ask me what the funeral procession took a break to do



There were two industrial methods for refining hydrogen during the First World War: one that sprayed superheated steam at iron to create rust and hydrogen, and the "ferrosilicol" process:

quote:

Thanks to some help from the Airship Trust who lent me some Hydrogen Manuals I can describe the silicol process as follows. Powdered ferrosilicon is fed in a controlled manner into a closed stirred tank containing a very hot, strong solution of caustic soda. The ferrosilicon reacts rapidly with the caustic soda, producing a mixture of steam and 99% pure hydrogen. Usually the gas is passed through cold water in a "scrubber" to condense the steam, collect the hydrogen and remove some of the (poisonous) impurities. The chemical reaction produces a lot of heat, which is used to keep the temperature of the tank at around 115 C. A residue consisting mainly of sodium silicate ("water glass") is left in the liquid in the tank. When the batch of caustic soda has become exhausted, the tank must be drained as soon as possible, otherwise the residue will solidify in the tank.

'Caustic soda' being Lye. So this process is reacting the slag left over in blast furnaces (mix of sand, IE silicon and iron) slowly, because the reaction is very energetic with the...high test Lye? and the product is steam and hydrogen, so all of this has to be pressurized, too.

So I came across this in a book I read, and I was confused until I read what 'caustic soda' was




Speaking of accidents, Ft. Lt. Hogg-Turnover had a wild ride



7 hours on top of a blimp with a machine gun



Commodore Tyrrwitt





Emergency landing in an airship:





Next time: the Italian Job



The Author:

Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Feb 11, 2023

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Powered Descent posted:

Hovertanks! At last!

New thread title?

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Powered Descent posted:

Hovertanks! At last!

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

Nebakenezzer posted:


NEXT TIME: THE DOVER PATROL AND PULHAM


Thanks as always. Excellent posts that are fascinating.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

Nebakenezzer posted:

My Airship Flights by Capt. George Meager

Excerpts from a book in a series of short, low effort posts

So, like a decade ago when I did those Imperial Airship posts, I got my hands on a book, "My Airship Flights 1915-1930" by George Meager. Meager was a man who flew airships in the first world war first for the RNAS and then for the RAF once they merged. He'd later be involved in the flights of the Imperial airship scheme, ending when he refused to captain R101 any more after coming close to crashing on a flight during a pleasant summer's day.

As far as career ending decisions go, this is probably the smartest I've ever heard of.

Dr_Strangelove
Dec 16, 2003

Mein Fuhrer! THEY WON!

slidebite posted:

Just turn the M1 into a quadcopter

https://youtu.be/lnbl9CZ9tOI

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
The balloon is down!


Imagine this being the high point of some F-22 pilot's career.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



mobby_6kl posted:

The balloon is down!

Imagine this being the high point of some F-22 pilot's career.

Probably the only air to air kill a piloted US aircraft will score this century.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Midjack posted:

Probably the only air to air kill a piloted US aircraft will score this century.

This century piloted US aircraft have already shot down a manned Syrian SU-22 (downed by a USN F/A-8E) and several drones (F-15Es, IIRC), all in the middle east.

quote:

“The whole incident lasted about eight minutes… I did not directly communicate with the Syrian Jet but he was given several warnings by our supporting AWACS aircraft… So yes, we released ordnance and yes it hit a target that was in the air, but it really just came back to defending those guys that were doing the hard job on the ground and taking that ground back from ISIS.” He continued “I didn’t see the pilot eject but my wingman observed his parachute. When you think about the shoot-down, in the grand scheme of things… we [our squadron] flew over 400 missions in support of friendly forces on the ground” he said. On encounters with Russian aircraft, he said: “They behaved with great professionalism at all times.”

Moreover LCDR Tremel also admitted that the shoot down required two missiles, an AIM-9X Sidewinder short range air-to-air missile that was deceived by flares deployed from the SU-22 and then an AIM-120 AMRAAM, which destroyed the Fitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2azWZ4QcrPA

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

mobby_6kl posted:

The balloon is down!

Imagine this being the high point of some F-22 pilot's career.
Unless this cat becomes an astronaut, I guarantee you it’ll be the high point. In 30 years, he’ll be torturing some young airline FO with the balloon story twelve times over a three day trip.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

mlmp08 posted:

This century piloted US aircraft have already shot down a manned Syrian SU-22 (downed by a USN F/A-8E)

Google search result for fa-8e

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Hex-Standard%2C-inches%2C-Chrome-(3%2F8%22)/3-8%22-Drive-SAE-1%2F4%22-Standard-Hex-Bit-Socket-Driver/FA8E

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
You got me, I typod F/A-18E

Would be cooler if an F-8E had gotten a kill in 2018, though

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Were there no air to air shoot downs in Second Iraq?

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
When was the last time there was an air-kill over US territory, and when was the last time one was over continental US?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Bob A Feet posted:

Unless this cat becomes an astronaut, I guarantee you it’ll be the high point. In 30 years, he’ll be torturing some young airline FO with the balloon story twelve times over a three day trip.

What kind of cool call sign does that earn you?

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Pablo Bluth posted:

When was the last time there was an air-kill over US territory, and when was the last time one was over continental US?

I don't think there's ever been an intentional one over conus

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg
Oct 4, 2004

ha, ha, ha, og me ekam

mobby_6kl posted:

What kind of cool call sign does that earn you?

"Pin" or "Tack", since you popped a fuckin balloon.

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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



mobby_6kl posted:

What kind of cool call sign does that earn you?

Rosie

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