Tech Nightmares: Ghostline the flux

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shoeberto: Jun 13, 2020; which way to the MACHINES?

Doggles posted:

I just got a notification from a f2p game I play announcing their "login with Twitter" option won't work after the API change. They're telling all users using that option to change to another login method this week.

That's a wild one. The cost of being an oauth provider has to be negligible compared to the benefit of having users associate their account on your service with everything else they do. Like it's not even some high traffic, easily abusable thing. It's an entirely different stack.

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 22:59

Clarste: Apr 15, 2013; Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

I got a notification from a F2P game saying they confirmed that it would NOT break their login, but recommended disconnecting your account from Twitter anyway, just in case. What Musk is doing here is literally an anti-ad for Twitter that will drive more people away from the platform.

# ? Feb 3, 2023 16:35

Motronic: Nov 6, 2009

Neo Rasa posted:

I'm not a computer person but API, Application Programming Interface, isn't this something you want as many people to have and use as possible to keep your stuff ubiquitous?

No.

You probably want to stay away from the specific technology here because otherwise your opinion makes a lot of sense.

APIs aren't "please integrate with us for free". "API" is just a set of general interop (non)standards, pieces of which are used by a lot of things. In my industry it's how people send/receive phone calls and SMS, which are products we sell. We in fact do NOT want you to use our API for free as that is fraud and theft of services.

Oxyclean posted:

This will kill off a lot of gimmick accounts that repost memes, cute cat pictures, every single frame of Lord of the Rings, etc. and to that end, it's an incredibly boneheaded move because those kinds of "bots" almost certainly drive engagement with the app.

He's still pissy about the elonjet account. This is part of his tantrum.

And you're 100% correct that there will be/already is a screen scraping python library that will make the API 100% unnecessary for low volume accounts like this.

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Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Neo Rasa posted:

Totally legit

What??? The production of those ended at the oil crisis of 1973. What kind of bullshit con is this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futuro

# ? Feb 3, 2023 16:38

shoeberto: Jun 13, 2020; which way to the MACHINES?

Motronic posted:

And you're 100% correct that there will be/already is a screen scraping python library that will make the API 100% unnecessary for low volume accounts like this.

No way - Twitter's army of SREs and data scientists will quickly spot the traffic patterns and deploy mitigation measures. They probably have at least a few services dedicated to actively tracking and reporting this very threat.

# ? Feb 3, 2023 16:46

Clarste: Apr 15, 2013; Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

Didn't he fire that army of data scientists?

# ? Feb 3, 2023 16:53

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

shoeberto posted:

No way - Twitter's army of SREs and data scientists will quickly spot the traffic patterns and deploy mitigation measures. They probably have at least a few services dedicated to actively tracking and reporting this very threat.

I was going to post, "what army, 75% of the staff and entire departments are gone", then realized you were probably being facetious. :v:

# ? Feb 3, 2023 16:54

Neo Rasa: Mar 8, 2007; Everyone should play DUKE games.

Oxyclean posted:

API info

Motronic posted:

API info

Thank you both for the extra context on this. :hfive:

Nenonen posted:

What??? The production of those ended at the oil crisis of 1973. What kind of bullshit con is this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futuro

I'm assuming the scam is like "Hey in these unstable times off the grid Futuro housing is ABOUT TO COME BACK AND EXPLODE GET IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR!!!" Like it's basically the sell our greeting cards door to door crap but for people with more money I guess and are meant to appeal to like, people who would normally just buy those prepper survival buckets or something? But at least with greeting cards those are a real physical thing, I know Futuro homes haven't been made in forever but aren't here only like a dozen that even still exist?

# ? Feb 3, 2023 17:12

Boris Galerkin: Dec 17, 2011; I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

Nenonen posted:

What??? The production of those ended at the oil crisis of 1973. What kind of bullshit con is this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futuro

If you go to their website it�s totally a scam lol. It looks like their business model is to sell those lovely buildings to people who will then GET RICH!!!! renting them out on Airbnb.

E: Basically targeting rubes who heard �many people say� being a landlord on Airbnb was easy and risk free money, but don�t have the funding to buy real homes/units that people would actually want to rent (not to mention all the upkeep and maintenance needed).

Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Feb 3, 2023

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Arsenic Lupin: Apr 12, 2012; This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.

Boris Galerkin posted:

Enterprises? $100/month/head is like a rounding error for companies like Disney.

The specific point I was making was "the cool bots are nonprofit". That is, the bots I (and other people) enjoy are things like https://twitter.com/ca_dmv_bot, not Disney making promo posts.

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Oxyclean posted:

I'm a computer person who should probably know more about this stuff, but it totally depends. I'm certain some things do sell/charge for API access, and can make a good argument for it. A good API takes some work to set up too. Like say you have a big data set - people can come look at it, but if they want to manipulate it with applications in more powerful ways, maybe they gotta pay a small charge. Dunno.

Google Maps briefly did this; more than N embeds a month, you had to pay them. They quit charging in 2020, presumably because they decided they weren't making enough money to offset the branding value they got from being the go-to map embed.

Arsenic Lupin fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Feb 3, 2023

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Jose Valasquez: Apr 8, 2005

Doggles posted:

I just got a notification from a f2p game I play announcing their "login with Twitter" option won't work after the API change. They're telling all users using that option to change to another login method this week.

So the limited API calls aren't just for corporate shitposting, any company using Twitter accounts to authenticate users is going to have their calls eaten up every time a user attempts to log in.

OAuth isn't a part of the APIs that were mentioned in the tweets and there's been no other information about it released afaik. It may or may not be included because who the gently caress knows what Elon will do, but people are jumping to the conclusion that everything from oauth to embeds will be shut down, which isn't what they have said

# ? Feb 3, 2023 19:11

dr_rat: Jun 4, 2001

I mean at this point when changes are being made with little notice and not really being explained it makes sense for devs to jump ship if they can. Why wait to wake up one day for things to suddenly not be working.

# ? Feb 3, 2023 19:19

poemdexter: Feb 18, 2005; Hooray Indie Games!; College Slice

Twitter's API is what I would hold up as a gold standard of RESTful API design along with Facebook's. They were already rate limiting what you could do because you can't allow people to query billions of tweets nonstop without causing a huge compute bottleneck. Anything a bot can do, you can automate with a Selinium script in a browser though so I don't see how forcing people to pay for basic API service does besides increase your revenue (duh).

Years ago at a hackathon, I remember the IBM Watson team showing off a sentiment gauge they hooked up to twitter where you could query a topic, have IBM Watson watch twitter in real time, and give you a 1 to 10 happiness scale about what people felt about the topic based on their tweets. Stuff like that is probably gonna get locked behind an API paywall.

I can't really see twitter forcing a paywall in front of OAuth because you already have free options for that with google and facebook which the majority of internet users already have.

# ? Feb 3, 2023 19:23

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Neo Rasa posted:

Totally legit

And yeah I agree. Elon's permanently damaged the brand. It's not going to disappear any time soon but looking at the type of ads I see people noting on it now? And he was talking about doing banking through it can you imagine giving your account info to a company in this state run by a person like that? Like even if Musk himself just vanished tomorrow I wouldn't go back to Twitter.

The last time Elom got involved in anything related to banking, it was a credit card via Paypal that had something like 50% fraud/chargeback rates and IIRC was a big factor in them firing his rear end as CEO after only a few months in the role (and replacing him with Elizabeth Bathory wannabe Peter Thiel).

# ? Feb 3, 2023 20:17

Foxfire_: Nov 8, 2010

Doggles posted:

I just got a notification from a f2p game I play announcing their "login with Twitter" option won't work after the API change. They're telling all users using that option to change to another login method this week.

"Please make your login method not dependent on the Twitter trashfire" is probably a good policy, even if Twitter's not planning on breaking OAuth in particular yet

# ? Feb 3, 2023 22:24

Jose Valasquez: Apr 8, 2005

Yeah, anyone with a Twitter integration should be looking for an exit as soon as possible, I think for oauth you've got more than this week though. Musk likely doesn't know what oauth is or that it is separate

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dphi: Jul 9, 2001

Nenonen posted:

What??? The production of those ended at the oil crisis of 1973. What kind of bullshit con is this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futuro

Maybe it's like the new "DeLorean"

# ? Feb 4, 2023 00:54

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

A judge in Cartagena has used Chat GPT in drafting his decision:

https://apple.news/AEtLUrH9CS-iOQRLrvQOxJw

quote:

As reported by Vice, a judge in Columbia has actually used ChatGPT to assist in making a court decision. Judge Juan Manuel Padilla Garcia, a judge in the First Circuit Court in Cartagena, Columbia, confirmed that he used the AI tool to �pose legal questions about the case and included its responses in his decision.�
In a court document, Garcia did try to clam down concerns that ChatGPT replaced him as judge and jury for the case. The judge said that �what we are really looking for is to optimize the time spent drafting judgments after corroborating the information provided by AI.�

Regardless of the use case, the fact that ChatGPT was actually used to help determine a court case really ups the stakes for the tool to be accurate and the responsibility of anyone using it to verify its accuracy.

Speaking of accuracy, Microsoft seems to be comfortable with the kinds of answers it is getting from ChatGPT, at least enough to launch a new version of Bing that includes a Chat feature that works with the AI tool. Today, some Microsoft Edge users were introduced to a new version of the search engine that likely uses OpenAI�s chat bot. However, it quickly disappeared, sparking rumors that Microsoft had accidentally leaked the new version.

All of this news serves as a huge backdrop to Google�s upcoming event next week, where the company is expected to announce its competitor to ChatGPT.

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Mega Comrade: Apr 22, 2004; Listen buddy, we all got problems!

The crypto grifters have a new grift

# ? Feb 4, 2023 11:51

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Mister Facetious posted:

A judge in Cartagena has used Chat GPT in drafting his decision:

https://apple.news/AEtLUrH9CS-iOQRLrvQOxJw

Chat-GPT writes dissenting opinion in a SCOTUS case, when???

# ? Feb 4, 2023 12:02

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

Nenonen posted:

Chat-GPT writes dissenting opinion in a SCOTUS case, when???

"In a 5-4 decision divided along Chat GPT - human judge lines..." :unsmigghh:

# ? Feb 4, 2023 12:05

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

posted:

As a dissenting judge, I must express my disagreement with the majority's decision to turn down the Second Amendment in a way that only I can - with a healthy dose of humor.

To put it simply, this decision gives me the flatulence of a herd of buffalo. The idea that the Second Amendment, a cornerstone of our constitutional framework, can be so easily disregarded is simply ludicrous.

I mean, really, the right to bear arms is as American as apple pie and bald eagles. The founding fathers wouldn't have included it in the Bill of Rights if they didn't think it was important. And yet, here we are, with the majority ruling that the people no longer have the right to protect themselves and their families.

Now, I know what you're thinking - this decision is no laughing matter. And you're right, it's not. But, in these trying times, I believe it's important to find the humor in the situation. So, let's all take a deep breath, laugh a little, and remember that our rights are worth fighting for.

In conclusion, I dissent from this decision because it's a flat-out attack on the Second Amendment and, quite frankly, it's just not funny.

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pumpinglemma: Apr 28, 2009; DD: Fondly regard abomination.

I mean, five of the Supreme Court justices already no longer give a gently caress about even the appearance of sound legal reasoning, I see no reason why they wouldn�t outsource the writing of their next decision banning abortion or upholding a sodomy law or declaring mandatory gun ownership or whatever.

# ? Feb 4, 2023 12:15

His Divine Shadow: Aug 7, 2000; I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Mega Comrade posted:

The crypto grifters have a new grift

Wish somebody would use AI to automatically ban content like this.

# ? Feb 4, 2023 13:08

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

His Divine Shadow posted:

Wish somebody would use AI to automatically ban content like this.

There's no automatic solution, but in the "recommended for you" column when watching a YouTube video, you can tap the three dot menu on every lovely channel you never want to see again and select "do not recommend channel".

You'll never see them again.
:feelsgood:

# ? Feb 4, 2023 16:58

Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

His Divine Shadow posted:

Wish somebody would use AI to automatically ban content like this.

Sorry, much like advertising there's no such thing as a bad view

# ? Feb 4, 2023 16:58

Blue Footed Booby: Oct 4, 2006; got those happy feet

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Sorry, much like advertising there's no such thing as a bad view

I regret to inform you that all your views are bad :v:

# ? Feb 4, 2023 17:13

cat botherer: Jan 6, 2022; I am interested in most phases of data processing.

Mister Facetious posted:

A judge in Cartagena has used Chat GPT in drafting his decision:

https://apple.news/AEtLUrH9CS-iOQRLrvQOxJw

quote:

a judge in Columbia

# ? Feb 4, 2023 17:22

Boris Galerkin: Dec 17, 2011; I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

cat botherer posted:

quote:

a judge in Columbia has actually used ChatGPT to assist in making a court decision. Judge Juan Manuel Padilla Garcia, a judge in the First Circuit Court in Cartagena

# ? Feb 4, 2023 17:38

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

Making want to watch Romancing the Stone again. :corsair:

# ? Feb 4, 2023 17:58

Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Blue Footed Booby posted:

I regret to inform you that all your views are bad

# ? Feb 4, 2023 18:02

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

pumpinglemma posted:

I mean, five of the Supreme Court justices already no longer give a gently caress about even the appearance of sound legal reasoning, I see no reason why they wouldn�t outsource the writing of their next decision banning abortion or upholding a sodomy law or declaring mandatory gun ownership or whatever.

Because they already outsource the writing to their clerks (who they pick in large part to groom as the next generation of right wing judicial assholes) for cases where they don't want to personally tell the other side how hosed they are.

I think we have a higher chance of Thomas or Alito just outright saying "gently caress you we answer to nobody" in an opinion than an AI doing it too.

# ? Feb 4, 2023 18:07

duodenum: Sep 18, 2005

Mister Facetious posted:

Making want to watch Romancing the Stone again.

aww man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! poo poo.

:corsair:

# ? Feb 4, 2023 18:28

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

ChatGPT would absolutely be an improvement over the SCOTUS, but that's not because ChatGPT is good, it's because the institution is so fundamentally bad that replacing it with nothing would be an improvement. Unfortunately the chatbot that replaced it would be trained on only the worst poo poo our lords and betters have ever put out.

# ? Feb 4, 2023 19:03

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

Epic High Five posted:

ChatGPT would absolutely be an improvement over the SCOTUS, but that's not because ChatGPT is good, it's because the institution is so fundamentally bad that replacing it with nothing would be an improvement. Unfortunately the chatbot that replaced it would be trained on only the worst poo poo our lords and betters have ever put out.

I wonder if the Dred Scott decision is in the training set...

# ? Feb 4, 2023 19:08

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Hmm yes I'm sure "we informed the business being impersonated to scam people that they could keep the thing that marked them out as authentic for $1000" will be a good defence

https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/4/23585612/twitter-gold-checkmark-business-subscription

# ? Feb 4, 2023 23:43

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

Mister Facetious posted:

There's no automatic solution, but in the "recommended for you" column when watching a YouTube video, you can tap the three dot menu on every lovely channel you never want to see again and select "do not recommend channel".

You'll never see them again.

Now tell me how to get rid of shorts

# ? Feb 5, 2023 11:36

His Divine Shadow: Aug 7, 2000; I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Mister Facetious posted:

There's no automatic solution, but in the "recommended for you" column when watching a YouTube video, you can tap the three dot menu on every lovely channel you never want to see again and select "do not recommend channel".

You'll never see them again.

Oh yeah I do that, I just wish an AI would do it for everyone.

# ? Feb 5, 2023 11:43

Thanks Ants: May 21, 2004; #essereFerrari

Somebody at YouTube has made the decision to not allow you to block channels so they don't appear in search results, and I just want to have a quiet talk with them.

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Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Thanks Ants posted:

Somebody at YouTube has made the decision to not allow you to block channels so they don't appear in search results, and I just want to have a quiet talk with them.

They are more well protected than anyone else in the world,I'm sure

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