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Lib and let die posted:You can't think of how lives would be materially altered for the better with the abolition of the landlord class? Huh? You do realize you’re talking about a country that’s trying to entice massive private investment in rental properties, right? Including from US companies, like Greystar
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Vahakyla posted:Who says this? This would be precisely the same thing about a Russian balloon. Or any adversary or non-friendly nation. I say this. That we* would be acting like dumbfucks about a weather balloon from any other country, sure. I agree. We are racist against everywhere
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slurm posted:A not-your-ethnicity ethnostate turning your home into an extractive colony is definitely going to be worse than your goony existence making 300k touching computer from home and occasionally hearing about someone being distastefully rich or poor, this is hilariously obvious. On a salary like that I could actually finance the move to China. Alas,
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Vahakyla posted:I believe societies have other challenges and issues besides landlordism. Not that it isn't a big deal, but societies have other metrics, too. Sure, but the question was about landlords.
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Feb 5, 2023 16:17
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Harold Fjord posted:Sure, but the question was about landlords. The question was to explain why you think a Chinese invasion of the USA would lead to the abolishment of landlords, when: 1) Modern day China has de facto private land ownership 2) There is zero incentive to instill communism in an occupied country rather than run an extraction economy It would be great if you could address those two points.
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Feb 5, 2023 16:26
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Seph posted:The question was to explain why you think a Chinese invasion of the USA would lead to the abolishment of landlords, when: A lot of things that exist about modern China are defined by it existing in opposition to the Capitalist imperialism of the US. So if we are talking about that underlying situation changing, the ground on which your various assumptions (especially number 2, where extraction is necessary to engage in thermogenic competition with said capital imperialism) rest turns to sand.
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Feb 5, 2023 16:33
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Why are we discussing the desirability of a hypothetical Chinese invasion of the US? That's enough of that derail thanks.
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Fritz the Horse posted:Why are we discussing the desirability of a hypothetical Chinese invasion of the US? That's enough of that derail thanks. It's Sunday!
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CmdrRiker posted:If Americans are this pissed about the moon-boob, wait until they find out about the Internet. The northern jet streams go west-to-east across the Pacific, so a balloon released over China or Japan that rises to the right height will naturally tend to cross the Pacific and reach North America within a few days. That's also why it's entirely plausible for it to have been a stray weather balloon.
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Feb 5, 2023 17:08
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Harold Fjord posted:A lot of things that exist about modern China are defined by it existing in opposition to the Capitalist imperialism of the US. So if we are talking about that underlying situation changing, the ground on which your various assumptions (especially number 2, where extraction is necessary to engage in thermogenic competition with said capital imperialism) rest turns to sand. So once the US is gone China will transform into a communist country in more then name only? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Why do you think that matters? I'm less worried about the balloon tbh and more about it being used as an excuse to escalate attacks on Asian Americans.
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Feb 5, 2023 17:25
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Harold Fjord posted:The media treating "Biden administration completely outsmarts adrift weather balloon" as some sort of military/intelligence strategy coup is objectively hilarious. Ok, now this seems like something the GOP would actually care about. No one cares about hypocrisy, but saying that Biden is manlier than Trump because he blew up the China balloon and Trump hid from the 3 that invaded during his term might be dumb and petty enough to win the Dems a few votes, especially if this balloon was one that Trump let go.
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Feb 5, 2023 18:33
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Seph posted:This might be one of the most terminally online takes I've ever read. If you think the invasion and occupation of America by China would lead to a better life, you are entirely detached from reality. You are quoting one of the dumbest posters in this thread "Look pal, I'm a LEFTIST (to the left of demoncraps!!) and let me tell you -- authoritarian dictatorships are for the win!!" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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unless the balloon went through the pacific triangle, I dont think the ball can be 1.X or 2 years old. also cant wait for regressive to discover the deadly ww2 japanese balloon bombs. ( which has one single incident in OR iirc??)
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I mean, there was the sputnik panic, the U2s over the USSR, there was thr 'open skies' treaty (china was not a signatory, tho)... This story has a /lot/ of history to it, and anyone ive seen shouting about the balloon is wholly naive to all of it. E: did some googling, found this https://hackaday.com/2014/10/19/high-altitude-balloon-keeps-going/ Uglycat fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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It's interesting to look at that flight path going over the ocean, to me it seems way easier to just ship the parts to someone in the US and launch it there.
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Seph posted:This might be one of the most terminally online takes I've ever read. If you think the invasion and occupation of America by China would lead to a better life, you are entirely detached from reality. why? People are already left to die from preventable diseases. You have tent cities popping up all over the place. Your government demonstrably doesn't care about human life. Even if we're being generous and only applying this outlook to red states, that's still a huge area and a lot of people. How do you think things would get worse? I think all this shows is how sheltered some of you are. You're lives are so free of stress and any suffering that you simply don't know how hellish things already are in your country. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Regarde Aduck posted:why? People are already left to die from preventable diseases. You have tent cities popping up all over the place. Your government demonstrably doesn't care about human life. Even if we're being generous and only applying this outlook to red states, that's still a huge area and a lot of people. How do you think things would get worse? I think all this shows is how sheltered some of you are. You're lives are so free of stress and any suffering that you simply don't know how hellish things already are in your country. Thank you. We American SA forums posters who are leftist have been unaware of the injustices in this country until now. You bringing it to light has elucidated it for us. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Regarde Aduck posted:why? People are already left to die from preventable diseases. You have tent cities popping up all over the place. Your government demonstrably doesn't care about human life. Even if we're being generous and only applying this outlook to red states, that's still a huge area and a lot of people. How do you think things would get worse? I think all this shows is how sheltered some of you are. You're lives are so free of stress and any suffering that you simply don't know how hellish things already are in your country. Yes, America Bad, but if you think our existing problems are equivalent to being occupied and oppressed by a foreign military, then you're the one who's sheltered. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I'm going to kick anybody's rear end who reveals that the public face of their ideology is this high schooler in an anarchist symbol jacket poo poo from this point on. I know I've talked to half of you personally elsewhere about this stuff. Get your uneventful Sunday kicks elsewhere or refine your pitch a BIT more maybe.
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i'll have you know my public face is a hick in overalls, one strap unbuttoned, and a straw hat
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World Famous W posted:i'll have you know my public face is a hick in overalls, one strap unbuttoned, and a straw hat I've got deep woods Appalachian hillbilly in my blood going back 300 years, my first instinct when put off is to pine for the simple pleasure of hanging out on a porch whittling things and watching birds, there are no exceptions for letting the side down. Time can also be provided to refurbish the still to remove the lead leeching components like you know you should've done ages ago.
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World Famous W posted:i'll have you know my public face is a hick in overalls, one strap unbuttoned, and a straw hat *gazes at barn that's been slowly collapsing for ten years* Ayuh, she'll come down when she wants ta.
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Epic High Five posted:I'm going to kick anybody's rear end who reveals that the public face of their ideology is this high schooler in an anarchist symbol jacket poo poo from this point on. I know I've talked to half of you personally elsewhere about this stuff. Get your uneventful Sunday kicks elsewhere or refine your pitch a BIT more maybe. Wait which side are you calling high school anarchists here?
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slurm posted:Wait which side are you calling high school anarchists here? I'm afraid to report that this isn't a scenario where there may be another framing device to keep the derail going. I invite you to think hard about theory and history as to whether it's better to be a poor member of the richest imperial core in recent history versus the conquered subject of its ascendant competitor. If your ideology demands it whatever but pretending it will be liberation is madness. Even leaving aside the motivations of any individual involved, the collapse of the petrodollar will ensure everybody is at least a bit worse off. It's lazy, nonsensical thinking. Cease.
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I can't believe the government acts so quickly to take down this balloon when there's another balloon that has been menacing the world since the 60s! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjSWkpkPH5g
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Push El Burrito posted:I can't believe the government acts so quickly to take down this balloon when there's another balloon that has been menacing the world since the 60s! Spiderman starts working for the Not-NYPD and suddenly the government finds itself unable to even consider stopping him, curious!
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PhazonLink posted:also cant wait for regressive to discover the deadly ww2 japanese balloon bombs. ( which has one single incident in OR iirc??) There were a lot of them but the government did a good job keeping it quiet so it's been downplayed. They weren't going to strategically bomb cities with the things but they could start some big rear end forest fires. Hey since it's Black History Month, here's some black paratroopers that were running around to defuse the bombs and put out the fires: https://www.npr.org/sections/npr-history-dept/2015/01/22/376973981/how-black-smokejumpers-helped-save-the-american-west I think one of the bombs managed to get as far as Michigan and kill somebody (?).
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Lib and let die posted:Well I guess that depends on who's version of the borders you mean. According to the US, China's borders don't include Taiwan, according to China those borders do. What about according to Taiwan?
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:What about according to Taiwan? As a leftist I try not to acknowledge the sovereignty or desires of non-imperial states thanks, please do not muddy the waters with such non-sequiturs.
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:What about according to Taiwan? Taiwan also considers Taiwan part of China, officially.
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Byzantine posted:Taiwan also considers Taiwan part of China, officially. Yeah? It's a democracy, right? What do the Taiwanese people think about reunification?
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Every day at noon the Taiwanese people get out their prayer rugs and kneel towards Beijing and chant “President Xi my people crave freedom from the Americans”. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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There's a dedicated China thread for Taiwan discussion. "Please end this derail" was not an invitation to take the derail in new and exciting directions
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Fritz the Horse posted:There's a dedicated China thread for Taiwan discussion. Like I said, it's a Sunday. If you'd rather discuss something else that you deem topical, you should, uh, "be the change you want to see". Because the alternative seems to be that the activity in the thread declines. Why would you want that? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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One of the lesser-heralded aspects of the recent IRA was the shift to "direct pay" for renewable energy tax credits. These are a substantial change for public and nonprofit utilities: Prior to the change, tax credits did little for these orgs because they had no tax liability to be offset by the credits. As Ryan Cooper notes in the February edition of The American Prospect, direct pay eliminates that hurdle.quote:Before the IRA, publicly owned utilities or nonprofit power cooperatives were not directly eligible for these credits, because they had no tax liability. The only way to get some of the benefit was to contract with private developers, which is both cumbersome and inefficient, since much of the value of the credits is then taken up by the developer. But now, public agencies and nonprofits can get the credits essentially as grants—which makes new green investment and the resulting power considerably less expensive for those entities. Things are dragging a bit as the IRS and Treasury work to get out guidance (probably next month)-which is slowing adoption: quote:The fact that the guidance is not out yet is probably why I could only find two institutions that are definitely planning to take advantage of the direct pay credits. The first is the Salt River Project, a nonprofit utility cooperative owned by the state of Arizona. SRP is in the process of building 55 megawatts of utility-scale solar owned by itself for the first time. “The recent passage of the Inflation Reduction Act allows not-for-profit public power utilities like SRP to directly receive federal incentive payments for renewable projects,” the agency said in a press release. The second is East Bay Community Energy, a public agency launched in 2018 by Alameda County, California, and several of its cities. CEO Nick Chaset posted a thread on Twitter about how the IRA will allow his agency to provide renewable power more cheaply “by allowing public sector and not for profit electricity suppliers to directly monetize these tax credits instead of relying on contracting with a privately owned company to realize the value of the tax credits.” A few other things the administration can do to ensure as much takeup as possible before future congresses and administrations work to knife the program: quote:The administration would also be well advised to make the application procedure simple. “Make it as easy as possible,” Desmarie Waterhouse, senior vice president at the American Public Power Association, told the Prospect. Many public utilities and rural co-ops are quite small, and so don’t have much staff available to start spinning up new projects. Even a lot of the big ones don’t have much experience with renewable-energy projects. If you’ve been running, say, a handful of gas and coal plants for 40 years, solar and wind are both more distributed and more erratic in their production—requiring new investment and different grid management to compensate for the changes. Finally, an interesting look at the shitheadery of the TVA with a bit of reason for optimism" quote:The Tennessee Valley Authority deserves special attention. This federal agency is the largest public utility in the country, serving all of Tennessee and parts of six other states (mainly with nuclear and natural gas), and also contracts with over 100 other utilities in the region. It would be an ideal choice to set an example for the rest of the country—indeed, it is specifically mentioned in the IRA as being eligible for direct pay credits. But a TVA representative told me that the agency doesn’t have anything in the works yet: “It is still too early to speculate on exactly how TVA would participate,” he said via e-mail.
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I dunno why the Republicans are so upset that we shot down that Chinese balloon, I thought they wanted Biden to fight inflation! 
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Trazz posted:I dunno why the Republicans are so upset that we shot down that Chinese balloon, I thought they wanted Biden to fight inflation! Maybe they're mad it can't go be with the three balloons the Chinese sent over during the Trump administration.
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