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The spot in question. https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/ia1nhq/undertaker_with_an_amazing_save_on_an_almost/ Couldn't find a direct youtube link.
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What does the term indie actually mean? What is it independent from?
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Shard posted:What does the term indie actually mean? What is it independent from? originally it meant the NWA, this is also where the term "outlaw mudshow" comes from. now it basically means just not part of one of the giant megacorporations.
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Shard posted:What does the term indie actually mean? What is it independent from? IMO: An indie PROMOTION is what ItohRespectArmy posted, and indie WRESTLER is one who isn't exclusive to any one company (or at least one who isn't contractually obligated to put one ahead of all others) and can work wherever they want, whenever they want. I.e. WWE wrestlers are definitely not indie as they cannot work anywhere else. Many of AEW's top stars are not indie as they are beholden to contracts that put AEW dates first.
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Doesn't that just make them a freelancer, or is there some distinction i'm missing?
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SG Bamboo posted:Doesn't that just make them a freelancer, or is there some distinction i'm missing? Just that no one calls them freelancers. Like yeah, most actors are technically freelance, they can work with whatever film production they want, but you'd sound weird if you called them that.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:Just that no one calls them freelancers. Like yeah, most actors are technically freelance, they can work with whatever film production they want, but you'd sound weird if you called them that. Ah, must be a regional thing. Hearing about wrestlers going freelance is fairly comon among the Japanese promotions I follow so I assumed it was industry wide
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SG Bamboo posted:Ah, must be a regional thing. Hearing about wrestlers going freelance is fairly comon among the Japanese promotions I follow so I assumed it was industry wide Might be a part of the weird-rear end American wrestling vernacular that only exists to circumvent labor laws.
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SG Bamboo posted:Doesn't that just make them a freelancer, or is there some distinction i'm missing? an indie wrestler can have a home promotion, while a freelancer explicitly does not is how I would split hairs. but it is mostly regional dialect. also my opinion on indie wrestler would be that it is one without a contract, but who cares what I think
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An indie wrestler gets paid, at least a hot dog and a handshake. A freelancer does not get paid (it's in the name) and just takes the handshake.
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Feb 5, 2023 23:39
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Alaois posted:the undertaker dropped triple h on his head doing a tombstone so piledrivers were banned, with the exception of the undertaker and kane still being allowed to do tombstones because they were safe sounds about right! I read that the vanilla piledriver is relatively safe as the receiver's head is cushioned between the performer's legs, but the tombstone doesn't offer the same protection
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The tombstone is really dependant on height too. The taller the person giving it the safer it is, and the reverse is true too
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Regular piledrivers have broken more necks than tombstones I think If the person taking it doesn’t push up off the other person’s thighs and/or the person delivering it has skinny legs then someone’s just getting dumped on top of their head, whereas with the tombstone as long as the person giving it can hold you up far enough off the ground you’re probably gonna be ok
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History Comes Inside! posted:Regular piledrivers have broken more necks than tombstones I think Can you name anyone who has been injured by a regular piledriver because I can't think of anyone. It's a very safe move.
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I agree, sit down piledrivers are pretty safe if executed properly
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you don't have to do any timing based stuff like pushing off or w/e. it's about tucking your head forward. it's the thing you instinctively do that makes the styles clash such an issue since you aren't supposed to do it for that move
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i lied. i don't know how to take bumps.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgnuNk2-YF4
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How many broken necks were there in Memphis where the move was always 'banned?'
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I’m pretty sure both Steve Austin and Taz had their necks broken by sit down piledrivers. Both were botched, however.
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Integrated Houston posted:I’m pretty sure both Steve Austin and Taz had their necks broken by sit down piledrivers. Both were botched, however. Austin 's was more like a k-driller (after specifically telling Owen he didn't want to). And Taz's was a double team Spike. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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Integrated Houston posted:I’m pretty sure both Steve Austin and Taz had their necks broken by sit down piledrivers. Both were botched, however. austin's was a sit down tombstone, not a regular-rear end sit down piledriver
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Alaois posted:austin's was a sit down tombstone, not a regular-rear end sit down piledriver While I am very dumb to the business I do remember even back then thinking that piledriver looked weird before Owen hit it
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Dawgstar posted:While I am very dumb to the business I do remember even back then thinking that piledriver looked weird before Owen hit it its the same type of piledriver that steve austin had himself broken masa chono's neck with years prior!
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Austin 's was more like a k-driller (after specifically telling Owen he didn't want to). And Taz's was a double team Spike. Also, I know nobody's said this here yet, but Austin swears that Chono's injury was kayfabed from him and that he had no idea it happened until after he got hurt from the same move and fans started pointing it out to him. The whole thing about Austin asking Owen not to do the K-Driller because of Chono is not true. But he DID ask Owen not to do it.
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Why did Owen want to do a weird piledriver variation anyway? Just because it looked different?
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Because Austin asked him to. The spots with Owen and Austin and Austin and Chono are exactly the same. Owen had never done anything like that before, he used a "regular" tombstone. Austin can say all he wants he asked Owen not to do a sitout tombstone. But why would he? Owen never did the move like that previously.
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Because Austin asked him to. The spots with Owen and Austin and Austin and Chono are exactly the same. Owen had never done anything like that before, he used a "regular" tombstone. Austin can say all he wants he asked Owen not to do a sitout tombstone. But why would he? Owen never did the move like that previously. Lmao
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Kvlt! posted:The tombstone is really dependant on height too. The taller the person giving it the safer it is, and the reverse is true too
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Halloween Jack posted:If I do a really safe Tombstone Piledriver, will I get taller? No, but if you do a really lovely Tombstone Piledriver the guy taking it might get shorter 
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Kvlt! posted:Has there ever been a legit shoot fight in WWE or another major promotion (WCW, etc). Not just a stiff punch or two but two people legit getting pissed and going at it? Brawl for All in WWF
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There have been a number of shoots on an unsuspecting person, but few to none that happened because both wrestlers spontaneously got pissed off.
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Kvlt! posted:Has there ever been a legit shoot fight in WWE or another major promotion (WCW, etc). Not just a stiff punch or two but two people legit getting pissed and going at it? Other than The Sport of Brawl 4 All or Ali vs Inoki, both of which were planned shoots using a different ruleset before going to the ring, the most recent actual shoot in a major promotion in the US would be June Byers vs Mildred Burke from 1954. Burke had just divorced noted creep Billy Wolfe who booked women in the NWA while champion. Wolfe responded by dissolving her title and creating a new championship. Wolfe planned for Nell Stewart to win, and Burke reported that to the press, but Wolfe swerved her and had June Byers win instead. They ended up doing a match where neither one would lose, and it became a shoot. Burke got injured during the first fall of a 2/3 falls match and the ref declared Byers the winner and Wolfe had her recognized as undisputed champion. Since that point the most famous match worked match that turned into a shoot with more than one sucker punch or a guy taking liberties is Maeda vs Andre where Maeda just destroyed Andre with leg kicks.
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Kvlt! posted:Has there ever been a legit shoot fight in WWE or another major promotion (WCW, etc). Not just a stiff punch or two but two people legit getting pissed and going at it? JBL famously shot on meanie during the one night stand ending shmoz.
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Defenestrategy posted:JBL famously shot on meanie during the one night stand ending shmoz. Gotta post the receipt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj1ScIBpUq0
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Defenestrategy posted:JBL famously shot on meanie during the one night stand ending shmoz. Sure, but I think the OP was more going for 'two people going at it.' A lot of these 'shoots' are just one-sided sucker punching. Although now I'm imagining 'Joey Styles famously shot on JBL' and smiling.
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How soon we forget Nia Jax and Charlotte
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If we're talking mutual, there was that time The Great Antonio got rough and uncooperative with Inoki and Inoki literally stomped him.
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