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NotJustANumber99 posted:You've seen his thread in hobbies and making things or whatever it's called? What? He's one of the mystical 2% who actually need one. I'm generally shocked.
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forkboy84 posted:It's actually a bold way to say I have as much interest in discussing the Ukraine invasion with D&D brained liberals as I do buying a car. Which is to say none, for precisely the reason you just showed: y'all have exactly as much nuance and tolerance as the CSPAM thread, it's boring groupthink. You've just assumed I'm a Putin apologist based on I think that it's interesting people in a thread with a big red MARXISM tag are so outraged at this. What you're saying here was not controversial before last year, nor will it be controversial like ~2 years after the war ends. It comes across as this incredible willing naivety, where the incredibly troubling developments in Ukrainian politics over the past 30 years (and especially the last 10) are dismissed as just an elaborate Russian hoax for no other reason than that it makes it emotionally easier to support the war effort. To me Marxism is the science of not being a huge loving rube. Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine does not magically make the Ukrainian political system any less horrific. It's a post-soviet state like any other: a kleptocratic mafia state with no real concern for democracy or human rights. It's post-soviet national mythos amounts to rehabilitating anyone who ever fought for an independent ukraine, no matter how many poles and jews they killed while they were at it. To align yourself with civilians, (that "proletariat" thing), rather than capitalist regimes is the Marxist response. We're not supposed to be patriots or cheerleaders for capitalist regimes, we are supposed to overthrow those loving things. It is especially galling because ~40 years ago we had neither a kleptocratic fascist Russia or a Kelptocratic fascist Ukraine. We had a USSR, and every western softy cheered to see the end of that, as if it was going to be a new day for democracy. Sensible Socialists are still not willing to admit they were wrong to do so, even as it caused (in order) 10 years of intense poverty and lawlessness, 20 years of intense repression and now ordinary people getting loving vaporized by shells hitting their apartment buildings. HorseLord fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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The USSR famously did not enforce compliance to moscow by using the army, russian imperial ambition being a thing that was invented in 1990. I feel like a scientific marxist might ask what about the preceding decades has led to post soviet states being often very unconcerned with human rights and either vehemently opposed to or obsessed with rebuilding the former political bloc. Perhaps it had something to do with their experience during that time. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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HorseLord posted:It's a post-soviet state like any other: a kleptocratic mafia state with no real concern for democracy or human rights. So basically you are stating know nothing about Ukraine if you're equating the current state of, say, GLBT rights in Russia and Ukraine. Or the relative state of free elections in the two countries. I've known loving brilliant Marxist thinkers like my old professor Danny Goldstick so I know it's not Marxism at fault here. quote:To me Marxism is the science of not being a huge loving rube. Ironic, there. Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Feb 5, 2023 |
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HorseLord posted:with no real concern for democracy or human rights.  https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1622342669933461505?s=20
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Pistol_Pete posted:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/04/britain-faces-destitution-refuses-admit-state-pension-unaffordable/ Hell yeah, yet more poo poo that we can't have as public sector workers. I guess we shouldn't be paid, be able to work from home or expect to have a pension. It's a good job we all do it for "the calling", I guess.
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I remember horselord as being our resident USSR lover back when that seemed harmless
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sebzilla posted:Recently got a Roomster and it's such a goofy looking car I love it. first time I saw one I thought it was a mini-hearse and as such they look really practical sinky posted:What's it like owning a car that isn't a 20yo~ shitheap? My 19 year old beloved shitheap puked out it's coolant and may have died when I took it in to part ex it for the new one, so I was just a year short of having a solid comparison for you Mega Comrade posted:What? He's one of the mystical 2% who actually need one. I'm generally shocked.   I look after some woodland and it was getting real limiting doing it in a smaller car with awd especially on a full load it was scraping the undercarriage on farm tracks- I also needed something that my teenage kids will fit into a bit easier alternatively I can justify it by deez nuts on a heated seat on a cold winters morning after going down to feed the animals
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Imagine being able to say "ah those pesky human rights, we need less of them" and still thinking that you're not an evil gently caress
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Mega Comrade posted:What? He's one of the mystical 2% who actually need one. I'm generally shocked. Also being this thread's obvious resident car expert no one has to justify their car choices to anyone else.
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been thinking all day about that MP who refused to pay slavery wages to his live in house keeper, who was somehow worth 300 million pounds staggering sums
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Easy to be worth that much when you're not paying people what you owe for the labour they give you
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I have found a lot of tories don't need money, but they will absolutely refuse to part with it because they think other people being made to pay for things is character forming.
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OwlFancier posted:I have found a lot of tories don't need money, but they will absolutely refuse to part with it because they think other people being made to pay for things is character forming. Or in this case because they are cheap bastards despite being worth hundreds of millions. Surely the PR damage far outstrips paying min wage to a pair of cleaners.
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I was meaning the ones I have the misfortune to know in my personal life. Who are not, as far as I know, worth that much. Just there is this quite prevalent mindset they seem to have where they steadfastly reject the idea of marginal utility of wealth. The kind of people to "do you a favour" and then send you an itemized bill for their expenses incurred in the process.
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Some bad poo poo went down at Epsom College. https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1622365440923115521
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BUT HAS THE LEFT ACCEPTED THAT AUSTERITY WAS poo poo?!?!??!?! Key questions need answering before we can heal (see: destroy everything)
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This was always part of the plan since Brexit was announced. It's going to be hilarious when they find out that by doing so Northern Ireland people will have more rights than King Chuck.
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smellmycheese posted:The SuperHitlerTanskii debacle is currently very amusing Corbyn's done it again!
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This has always been what the hardliners Brexiters wanted. It's also step 1 on a move towards reintroducing the Death Penalty. So that's fun. In lighter news, I saw Carol Voderman was trending on Twitter. Seems like she's doing good work. So much so I almost regret bringing in Sudoko chat the last time the thread came across her.
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hi, this thread is generating reports there are several Ukraine threads on the forums (GBS, D&D, CSPAM, GiP) for extended discussion of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. if you wish to discuss that topic divorced from the UK's involvement, please use one of those threads shut up about CSPAM or other forums. in the interest of interforum harmony and because who cares what other people are posting in other forums, grousing about other subforums is gonna cause probes. thanks
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NotJustANumber99 posted:who the gently caress is reporting each other in here? lmao Dorks & nerds
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:Biriths politics is hosed. What country should I move to? My understanding is that it's pretty easy to move to Sri Lanka from the UK, and prices for goods that you can actually acquire* remain lower** Can't speak to whether you would prefer the politics * - availability may very for fuel, food, fertilizer, and felectricity ** - this week
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Genocides on beaches aside, I've heard Sri Lanka is a beautiful country
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Rarity posted:Easy to be worth that much when you're not paying people what you owe for the labour they give you 
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Diet Crack posted:*drowning noises* Imagine taking money to go to bat for Tories on such a weak attack line. Most people at least try to leverage a peerage out of their utter debasement, but I guess some journalism grads have lower standards than even Ian 'loving racist' Austin.
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Should i spend 300 quid on a fancy grow tent to grow fancy spicy foreign chillis? Or should i just spend 300 quid on fancy spicy foreign chillies? https://spiderfarmer.co.uk/products/sf1000d-led-grow-light70x70cm-grow-tentinline-fan-combo-with-temperature-humidity-controller/ Either way, i just want a hobby to distract from... *gestures around*
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