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Timby posted:John de Lancie has said he was very frustrated with how Q was treated in Picard S2. There was no 'impish-ness' from the character. No subtle hints on what he wanted. He was just a miserable bastard. Still don't understand how he lost his powers in one episode, and regained them in the end. Stupid as gently caress, horrible show.
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I did the three-watch, which is what I call when I watch three episodes of Star Trek together. First it was an old season 2 episode of TNG. You take what you can get in S2 and "Where Silence Has Lease" is one of the better episodes from early in the show. It's a pretty creepy episode and I like the ruminations on death but boy does Worf act like a moron throughout the episode. Then came "Necessary Evil", a great episode of Deep Space Nine. We get backstory on how a handful of the cast met each other and we get a look into the station when it was occupied by Cardassian forces and Deep Space Nine is not a happy place but it looks so dour in the flashbacks. Never before has blue light looked so tyrannical. Rom was funny. Then I watched "Forces of Nature" from Season 7 of TNG which wasn't very good and it's weird that the early S2 episode was the better one out of the pair.
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Feb 6, 2023 00:26
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happyhippy posted:There was no 'impish-ness' from the character. "I have used my godlike powers to rescue Jean-Luc and his friends from a certain death that has come about because of a time loop I created (and also because Borg Queen Jurati is a loving idiot who withholds vital information for no reason, but that's by the by). So I will now create the time loop, but send Picard - who I'm really, violently angry at for no reason - into an alternate evil future (that I created/will create/will haven createn) from which he first has to figure out how to escape, and then when he returns to conveniently cheap Los Angeles 2024 I will then do everything I can, powers or no, to stop him from doing the thing I sent him there to do, to the point of trying to have him murdered. But when he eventually succeeds in restoring the timeline, I will treat him like my most beloved pet and send him back to the start before I die. For some reason. Even though I'm omnipotent and immortal. Huh."
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Feb 6, 2023 00:34
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I justify it by just considering Q's brain is literally breaking down, so nothing he does makes any sense. It's not very satisfying from a storytelling perspective, but it works within the plot as much as anything.
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Feb 6, 2023 02:29
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Knormal posted:I justify it by just considering Q's brain is literally breaking down, so nothing he does makes any sense. He thinks like a being from a higher dementia
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Feb 6, 2023 02:37
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Brawnfire posted:He thinks like a being from a higher dementia How can you get a non-linear being to even TRY to draw a clock?
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Feb 6, 2023 03:27
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nine-gear crow posted:How can you get a non-linear being to even TRY to draw a clock? "That's not what clocks look like." *SNAP-WHOOSH* "It is now."
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Feb 6, 2023 03:32
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Gotta draw Sisko's weird clock from Dramatis Personae just to be sure
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Feb 6, 2023 03:57
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I'm eagerly looking forward to seeing which beloved characters get pathetic deaths in picard season 3.
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Feb 6, 2023 04:16
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We just saw TNG "Reunion" and we meeting Alexander the 3/4 Klingon and 1/4 Human mix that was concived naturally, and I got to thinking about why we see so many human mixes and very few mixes of, say, Vulcan/Betazoid. Well, the Watsonian reasoning, at least. Theory: Human genetics are flexible enough to hybirdize with other species, and most of the time they are even flexible enough that the hybird offspring are fertile as well. It might be that other genomes are less flexible, so while there are first generation mixes, there are no second generation mixes. We... kinda saw this in real life? We have both Neanderthal and Denisovian DNA, though very small amounts.
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Feb 6, 2023 05:47
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It's like the fan theory about humans just being that much more brash and insane with technology, but instead it's about being kinky horndogs who will impregnate, or be impregnated by anything.
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Feb 6, 2023 05:56
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killer crane posted:It's like the fan theory about humans just being that much more brash and insane with technology, but instead it's about being kinky horndogs who will impregnate, or be impregnated by anything. Rose: So that's what we do? We go out into the universe and... Doctor: Dance.
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Feb 6, 2023 06:09
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Twincityhacker posted:and I got to thinking about why we see so many human mixes and very few mixes of, say, Vulcan/Betazoid. Huh, it seems you're right. Off the top of my head, the only hybrid characters I can think of that are NOT part human are the product of races that are traditionally enemies: Bajoran-Cardassian (e.g. Ziyal) and Romulan-Klingon. And now you've got me imagining other mixes. Bolian-Andorians would presumably be a shade of blue previously unknown to science.
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Powered Descent posted:Huh, it seems you're right. Off the top of my head, the only hybrid characters I can think of that are NOT part human are the product of races that are traditionally enemies: Bajoran-Cardassian (e.g. Ziyal) and Romulan-Klingon. So in the dark fetish universe of Star Trek there is only human-loving and hate-loving.
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Feb 6, 2023 06:23
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at the end of all good things delancii makes such a good point to picard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARyUGi0gReA imagine if picard had just picked that up and have him seen among the stars gently caress have picard do a grand save the universe against a threat, and then in season 2, have Q point out that grand strugle was like 2 ants fighting over nothing.
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Payndz posted:"I have used my godlike powers to rescue Jean-Luc and his friends from a certain death that has come about because of a time loop I created (and also because Borg Queen Jurati is a loving idiot who withholds vital information for no reason, but that's by the by). So I will now create the time loop, but send Picard - who I'm really, violently angry at for no reason - into an alternate evil future (that I created/will create/will haven createn) from which he first has to figure out how to escape, and then when he returns to conveniently cheap Los Angeles 2024 I will then do everything I can, powers or no, to stop him from doing the thing I sent him there to do, to the point of trying to have him murdered. But when he eventually succeeds in restoring the timeline, I will treat him like my most beloved pet and send him back to the start before I die. For some reason. Even though I'm omnipotent and immortal. Huh."
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Powered Descent posted:Huh, it seems you're right. Off the top of my head, the only hybrid characters I can think of that are NOT part human are the product of races that are traditionally enemies: Bajoran-Cardassian (e.g. Ziyal) and Romulan-Klingon. There was going to be a Trill-Klingon, but then Dukat got in the way. At least it's a lot easier on the makeup people to figure out how to do milder versions of racial characteristics instead of hybrid. Also I assume Disco was a lot less inclined to explore interrelations between various species. God knows Enterprise was, although it was sort of set in an early period of galactic history before a lot of mixing could happen? There was that idea that T'Pol would be revealed to be part Romulan, but what that even means is questionable since Romulans and Vulcans are already distant cousins. DS9 was sort of a setting where hybrids would much more inevitably enter the plot, since it was an alien space station with a majority alien main cast. By the end, O'Brien was the only baseline human left. I feel like Star Trek doesn't really get into the idea of melting pots much, and when they do, they're pretty expressly clear that humans and the Federation are the pinnacle of a melting pot in the universe, since all other space empires are very explicitly one-species only.
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SlothfulCobra posted:By the end, O'Brien was the only baseline human left.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yes and this franchise already did the ‘Q teaches Picard a lesson’ episode, it was called ‘All Good Things’ Or even just Tapestry
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Wow, I know people dislike the character, but I'm pretty sure Keiko was still human. Not main cast though.
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Feb 6, 2023 18:02
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Also I'm not sure that pah-wraith actually left. I kid! I kid because I love.
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I like that episode because it gave Rosalind Chao the opportunity to really ham it up and it was great
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Feb 6, 2023 18:14
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My headcanon is that all the "half human" people are actually designer babies which are whipped up by the local doctor to show genetic analogues of the human parent - or whatever. It may be treyf for humans to do it, but they didn't say anything about Vulcans! The "human genetics" thereunto are the designer baby genes propagating because Starfleet medical science apparently builds out from cyberpunk medical science of "just do whatever, lol, gently caress it, man"
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Nessus posted:My headcanon is that all the "half human" people are actually designer babies which are whipped up by the local doctor to show genetic analogues of the human parent - or whatever. It may be treyf for humans to do it, but they didn't say anything about Vulcans! Isn't it canonical that all these mixes are the result of genetic engineering? I know the vulcan/human hybrid in ENT was the result of gene play, as well as Alexander's mom mentioning her mix was with the help of her parents being geneticists. Sure Alexander was an accident, but both his parents already had klingon DNA, it wasn't a pure alien mixing. I just assume any time there are mixes they just don't bother mentioning the genetic engineering that went into it because its a non issue in the Trek world.
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Yeah, Bashir is genetically engineering Dax's ovum when she and Worf are trying for a baby too. Torres/Paris and Worf/K'Ehleyr getting pregnant were accidents but those were presumably both cases where one parent had already been engineered for hybridisation. It's well established in Trek that genetic engineering for valid medical reasons is okay, it's just deliberate improvement that's illegal. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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A Klingon - ferengi mix would be sweet. "I have acquired PROFIT WITH HONOR" "Today IS a good day to DO BUSINESS"
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wesleywillis posted:A Klingon - ferengi mix would be sweet.
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Knormal posted:I justify it by just considering Q's brain is literally breaking down, so nothing he does makes any sense. You can also justify it by just considering that the writers are all failsons and should not have jobs. Also P-Stew himself has a certain form of dementia called “I’m an executive producer now, people have to pay attention to my stupid input!”
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Feb 6, 2023 19:57
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A Holodeck adventure in which a sinister Walter Koenig plays a whimsical but untrustworthy pixie playing a magic flute.
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Prurient Squid posted:A Holodeck adventure in which a sinister Walter Koenig plays a whimsical but untrustworthy pixie playing a magic flute. This sounds like the DS9 Rumpelstiltskin episode
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:This sounds like the DS9 Rumpelstiltskin episode If you show a wish in the first act, you must have it become a horse in the third act.
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Prurient Squid posted:A Holodeck adventure in which a sinister Walter Koenig plays a whimsical but untrustworthy pixie playing a magic flute. I don't know about the pixie with flute bit but "whimsical and untrustworthy/sinister" kind of describes Bester, his Babylon5 chararcter.
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jeeves posted:You can also justify it by just considering that the writers are all failsons and should not have jobs.
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I know it presaged the Picard you’re all hating on but I just watched “Starship Mine” last night and it kicked loving rear end. “Birthright” was good too, both parts.
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I just love the story P-Stew once admitted years ago in some interview that he never paid attention to any of the "gobbledygook" of writing they had him say while filming, so he never understood any of the plots or stories of the episodes. It always seemed such gibberish to him, especially coming from a theatrical background of having an entire play in front of you to memorize at once. So decades later when he would fly around on location for the shooting of the X-Men movies or such, he'd catch TNG episodes while flipping channels in his hotel suites and be amazed that "they were actually interesting stories, if you sat down and watched them!" ...Even though the point of his story is the attempt at comedy by saying the room service would catch him watching himself on TV. I think the dig at "oh wow, this wasn't complete trash, amazing!" on the thing that MADE HIS CAREER and he's been continuing to milk for the rest of his life speaks volumes at what an excellent executive producer he must be.
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jeeves posted:I just love the story P-Stew once admitted years ago in some interview that he never paid attention to any of the "gobbledygook" of writing they had him say while filming, so he never understood any of the plots or stories of the episodes. It always seemed such gibberish to him, especially coming from a theatrical background of having an entire play in front of you to memorize at once. I remember watching him telling that story on Conan O'Brien.
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jeeves posted:I just love the story P-Stew once admitted years ago in some interview that he never paid attention to any of the "gobbledygook" of writing they had him say while filming, so he never understood any of the plots or stories of the episodes. It always seemed such gibberish to him, especially coming from a theatrical background of having an entire play in front of you to memorize at once. The man is on record multiple times begging the TNG writers to let Picard do “more loving and fighting”. I genuinely don’t think he ever “got” the character and it’s been an absolute disaster giving him any say on the post-TNG projects.
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Man, if only we had gotten the Captain Riker show post Best of Both Worlds...
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They should have had Picard take off on adventures and only show up now and then as an increasingly Lord Flashheart character.
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