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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:Coproganda
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Feb 6, 2023 04:17
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well why not posted:If you want a spin on the TV crime procedural, check out Hannibal. It starts out as a CSI and slowly morphs into a gay murderer romance where the two leads play cat and mouse. This has them fully abandoning the crime-of-the-week in like season 2. Larry Fishburne and Mads Mikkelsen have a knife fight at the start of a season in a flash forward, so you know they'll be at each other by the end of said season. Quality show, absolutely bonkers. There's been a very minute rise in ASD characters. Someone showed me a TikTok from some Netflix show that had an autistic teen actress and it was pretty good. grittyreboot posted:Is there a good write up about Mindy Kaling's shittyness? I see a lot of people alluding to it on TikTok but I can't find a lot of direct facts Blue Moonlight posted:gently caress yeah, part of the Saturday morning block when I was a kid in Oregon. I remember because it somehow made such a big impression on my father, who thought the concept was hilarious, that he brought it up frequently years after it left the air. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx-WPOlGXqo
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Feb 6, 2023 04:50
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okay but a cow is Look I gotta know, what are the anthropomorphic lady cows' boobs like edit: disappointing
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Feb 6, 2023 05:21
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you think thats weird, what about Dreamworks, crappy cgi cartoon movie and tv cartoon Barnyard where male cows have udders, sometimes uses them as squirt weapons? also bulls and actual female cows exist soooo ???? also their human characters are really ugly.
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Feb 6, 2023 05:49
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Cow and Chicken not only demonstrated proper and family-safe udder use, but it treated the male Chicken's wattle with the respect it deserved.
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Feb 6, 2023 05:58
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mind the walrus posted:I'll be damned. I wonder what weird poo poo other kids heard about but only knew of as a sort-of mythical "wait that was actually a show I just saw the toys/video games and thought it was a fever dream?" I think it’s important that everyone in the thread knows that this show thought hard about this world worked: Wikipedia posted:Wild West C.O.W.-Boys of Moo Mesa dealt with a mutation of some kind; an irradiated comet struck the late 19th century Western plains creating a miles high mesa shrouded in clouds. Everything trapped on top of the mesa was "cow-metized" by the light from the "cow-met" and "evolved" into a "bovipomorphic" state.
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Feb 6, 2023 05:59
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Foreverial cowmetized and loving it.
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Feb 6, 2023 06:24
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I don't think there's anything wrong with watching police procedurals as long as you find them entertaining and also continue to distrust all cops. Maybe even distrust them more because of the off the books chin music.
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Feb 6, 2023 07:43
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I agree, although I think part of the issue is also like, the timing of things. Like it's one thing to separate art from artist, or to enjoy problematic media. It's another when that art/media is directly reinforcing an ongoing crisis. Plus like it's the nature of the idealization I suppose that's also so troubling. Compare classic Law and Order or, say, Dragnet, to something like SVU or Blue Bloods and poo poo. The former are idealized and depict an ideal of what many people would probably agree good policing looks like. Our cops are genuinely interested in justice and follow the rules, and are generally called out when they don't. There are bad apples but they do not represent the force as a whole. This is a dangerous lie, but it's still at least a wholesome ideal in its own way. Compare that to the more sinister and overtly cryptofascist poo poo where anything and everything the cops do is justified because they are the cops, extrajudicial use of force is celebrated rather than seen as a step out of line, and so on. Like on some level even Columbo is copaganda, but I mean he's also an ideal of policing most people, even lefties like me, would say is something they could get behind; doesn't carry a weapon, badgers the rich and powerful, only gets involved in genuine crimes rather than serving capital, etc etc. Like part of the issue with modern copaganda is how the ideal of what policing should be. The old copaganda that attempted to portray cops as your friends who are concerned with justice has given way to a new breed that depicts cops as your masters you should be thankful and deferential to.
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Feb 6, 2023 08:24
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Just watched the Velma pilot. It's...bleak. it's pretty much what I first thought Harley Quinn was going to be. How do you make Sam Richardson so charmless?
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Feb 6, 2023 08:40
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doctorfrog posted:gimme a hardboiled detective on the rat squad show
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Feb 6, 2023 08:56
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ianmacdo posted:the Internal Affairs investigate a "bad" cop every episode and almost every one ends with the cop going free because all the other cops cover for them. Just that over and over. Hey now, sometimes it makes it to trial or something and they get a slap on the wrist if not an acquittal.
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Feb 6, 2023 09:03
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I've been watching Castle for after-work unwinding and lol the NYPD might as well just hand him a badge and gun for all the police work he does in any given episode.
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Feb 6, 2023 09:27
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Like on some level even Columbo is copaganda, but I mean he's also an ideal of policing most people, even lefties like me, would say is something they could get behind; doesn't carry a weapon, badgers the rich and powerful, only gets involved in genuine crimes rather than serving capital, etc etc. The Jack Reacher movies and TV series always skips around this line, they usually include a few corrupt smalltown cops who Reacher has to outmaneuver and defeat as he untangles the big mystery but they usually also include honest cops who have noble intentions at heart but were unable to bring the bad guys to justice without Reacher's help because they were held back by the system. Reacher himself was a SOLDIER COP who always bucked against the system and eventually went rogue because that was the only way he could actually get things done. It's thinly veiled copaganda hiding behind Great Man Theory with a sprinkling of "a few bad apples" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSGXKyntOaw Pretty much every superhero IP pulls the same thing, the hero has to become a vigilante who operates outside the law because that's what the fictional situation calls for, they deal with the threats that are outside the scope of the legal system which is already struggling to deal with regular everyday crimes. It's pretty much a continuation of the Wild West lone gunslinger hero genre which was itself built upon previous genres.
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Feb 6, 2023 09:41
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I suppose a better way of articulating what I was trying to say is that copaganda is propaganda, of course, and as such it's trying to sell you on an idea. What is the idea? A lot of older copaganda tries to sell you, essentially, on the idea that the police are your friends, are concerned about justice, are largely if not entirely good faith actors and any bad cops are rare exceptions who are generally quickly dealt with, and that the system may not be perfect, but it works and has good intentions in mind. There's also a lot of racial elements at play with how they depict crime and whatnot, but I don't know if that's necessarily part of the core idea of copaganda - you could and do have shows that avoid that while keeping true to the rest. That's, I think, a different propaganda idea that is simply generally packaged with it. But like, yeah, even Columbo fits this idea. More modern copaganda tends to try and sell you on the idea that the police are your masters and betters. The system is fundamentally broken and they are the one and only thing standing between you and the abyss. Anything and everything they do is justified because they are the police and you are not. They are not your friends the same way your parents are not your friends; they are something more important than friends. They have good intentions in mind, and as such anything and everything they do is fine, because look the system takes too long and we need justice *now*. Like it's part of the gradual escalation into fascism from conservatism. The only thing that can be trusted or used is naked force and violence, anything else is an obstacle that gets in the way of getting poo poo done.
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Feb 6, 2023 09:55
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Laterite posted:I've been watching Castle for after-work unwinding and lol the NYPD might as well just hand him a badge and gun for all the police work he does in any given episode. They definitely seem to lean into the absurdity as the show goes on: 
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Feb 6, 2023 10:00
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RE Mindy Kaling-really seems like she just played herself in that always sunny episode.
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Feb 6, 2023 13:31
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Aramek posted:How would you have a crime/mystery show without it also being a cop show? The cops are involved but are mostly portrayed as incompetent, actively aiding the protection of a racist and unjust system, or outright malicious.
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Feb 6, 2023 14:17
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Ambitious Spider posted:RE Mindy Kaling-really seems like she just played herself in that always sunny episode. Reminding me of Lena Dunham, that realisation that their entire gimmick isn't an act.
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Feb 6, 2023 14:43
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Blue Moonlight posted:I think it’s important that everyone in the thread knows that this show thought hard about this world worked: The Cow-ler Out of Space
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Feb 6, 2023 14:59
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I used to listen to the Jack Reacher stuff when XM had an audio book channel. It was on during my commute, and was mindless enough to pass the time. Having grown up in a military family, I find the fact that he's a "retired MP major" and that's what gives him all his super cop/detective/spy skills to be hilarious. MPs barely count as cops. And ascribing all these amazing skills to them is even funnier. And that's not even getting into how the writer seemed to spend a lot of time describing Reacher while typing one handed. I mean, Reacher had pecs that at one point stopped a bullet. And they picked Tom Cruise to play the guy who's supposed to be like 6'3?
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Feb 6, 2023 17:03
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MrUnderbridge posted:Having grown up in a military family, I find the fact that he's a "retired MP major" and that's what gives him all his super cop/detective/spy skills to be hilarious. MPs barely count as cops. And ascribing all these amazing skills to them is even funnier. The military idiots thread in GiP will disabuse anyone of the notion that the military has competent people working within it. It’ll convince you of the opposite, actually! e: abandon all hope, ye who enter. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3894960&perpage=40&noseen=1
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Feb 6, 2023 17:06
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Is Jack Reacher the one where there’s a lot of description about his ridiculously big hands?
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Feb 6, 2023 17:23
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AceOfFlames posted:They definitely seem to lean into the absurdity as the show goes on: It starts that way, the vest is a running gag from the pilot. I liked the show but I can't watch it anymore. The previous tenants of my house left a lot of stuff in the basement. One time a fuse blew and I had to go down with a flashlight. Crouching through the 5 ft clearance with a dirt floor through old appliances and mouldering furniture to get to the fuse box I could almost hear the Silent Hill radio static. Nearly poo poo myself when I look left and see two people standing there. A random cardboard cutout of the two leads. Macdeo Lurjtux has a new favorite as of 17:28 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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Feb 6, 2023 17:23
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bobjr posted:Is Jack Reacher the one where there’s a lot of description about his ridiculously big hands? it’s the one where he gets to live the boomer dad dream by being a rich-ish hobo-cop, picking up and leaving whenever he wants to.
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Feb 6, 2023 17:33
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bobjr posted:Is Jack Reacher the one where there’s a lot of description about his ridiculously big hands? The size of increasingly larger dinner birds. Could palm the skin off a baseball. https://twitter.com/toyns/status/1023041773914992642?s=20
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Feb 6, 2023 17:50
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grittyreboot posted:Is there a good write up about Mindy Kaling's shittyness? I see a lot of people alluding to it on TikTok but I can't find a lot of direct facts So from Velma having a weirdly "conservative comedian" take on MeToon in the show, to Kaling's liking a super awful JK Rowling tweet, to the way she usually depicts Indian-American characters (from disinterested to hopenly in refusal of their culture; always pining for mean spirited white guys), to her allegedly declarations of being "way conservative and into guns" to potential anti Semitic and anti islamic material. I've never seen anything in which she starred, wrote or produced by her, so I'm only going from Google.
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Feb 6, 2023 19:06
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RC and Moon Pie posted:I can think of at least two episodes where the episode is about how no one ever gets convicted because the cops made this unsolvable case: Murdered Montana veterinarian (oh, he just committed suicide, so y'all wipe up the blood to spare his family embarrassment) and Halloween Dakotas bar beating murder. I watched the Halloween bar beating episode last night and it was goddamn infuriating how they ignored much better potential suspects in favor of the one guy they ended up going after. And then after he was acquitted because their whole case was built on shoddy investigating, they just threw up their hands and were like "Welp, we know he did it, and the jury got the verdict wrong." Better not even consider that maybe you should investigate those other guys. It's less about finding the actual truth and more about "who would it be easier to convict for this?".
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Feb 6, 2023 19:20
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Leverage: Redemption has plenty of corrupt cops doing terrible things who frequently get the crap beaten out of them by our heroes. It's a fun show, kind of a modern A-Team who protect the powerless from cops, rich bastards and neo-nazi supporting electric vehicle developers, which is nice.
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Feb 6, 2023 19:44
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In Person of Interest, all but like maybe 2 members of the NYPD were corrupt pieces of poo poo (I am not including main character Fusco in that number despite his arc) and everyone involved with the CIA, like literally everyone, was an unhinged sociopath, including two of the heroic leads. I think the FBI was the only agency that came out alright, except they were all generally incompetent.
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Feb 6, 2023 19:49
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Isn't rhe whole thing about Perry Mason is the LAPD is always arresting and charging the wrong person and Mason is always exposing the real perp for them in court?
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Feb 6, 2023 20:40
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PhazonLink posted:if you want a a non crime/cop(huh are all crime shows just cop shows?) mystery of the week procedural show, watch House, its about medical mysteries of the week. Err, hospitals treat people from outside the local region all the time... Why would you nuke them for that? Toshimo posted:Yeah. Monk/Psych/The Mentalist/Sherlock/iZombie etc. aren't "PI Shows" as much as "extended copaganda" shows, in that they show that "the cops are trying their hardest, they just need some extra-judicial cheating from a charitable 3rd party to get the bad guy, sometimes", which is even gross in some ways. That's not the case with Monk, in that the cops were shown as general screwups for the most part which is why they needed Monk, and the police chief was really the only intelligent one there and even he had his screwups. Neither Monk nor Psych really gave me the impression that the cops were being lionized at all. Like everyone is a screwup in Psych, especially Shaun. Monk's never really shown as someone you should admire and emulate because even though he's brilliant he's a huge wreck. I just get the impression that 'copaganda' is 'anything that has a cop in it' to some people. Kchama has a new favorite as of 23:10 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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Feb 6, 2023 21:25
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MrUnderbridge posted:Reacher had pecs that at one point stopped a bullet Clear my schedule and get me a couple rolls of quarters!
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Feb 6, 2023 21:27
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Kchama posted:Err, hospitals treat people from outside the local region all the time... Why would you nuke them for that? House is still probably the best Sherlock Holmes modern adaptation (together with Elementary*); however if we talk about aging well, House is very early 2000 edgy/caustic - although he is not depicted as a "good" guy, he is definitely portrayed as "cool" in his anti-heroics. The series does eventually go really deep into how bad he actually is and he does try to seek to change his behaviours...from time to time. He's still very much hero material for whoever idolizes characters like Rick Sanchez or Walter White, though. * I like the protagonist in Elementary much more, personality wise especially cause he has some actual character development and I think the procedural parts are very well done; however I'm very easily annoyed by mistery box characters/stories, so I'm going to detract points for that. In fact I have eventually lost interest in the metaplot enought to stop watching the show, so apologies if SH suddenly goes all homophobic or something in the later seasons. That Italian Guy has a new favorite as of 21:45 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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Feb 6, 2023 21:42
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The 24/7/ ai-generated Seinfeld stream lasted all of six days before https://twitter.com/watmay1/status/1622518097067511811
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Feb 6, 2023 21:51
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Kchama posted:I just get the impression that 'copaganda' is 'anything that has a cop in it' to some people. This is the forum where someone said explaining something is endorsing it.
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Feb 6, 2023 21:56
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DACK FAYDEN posted:The 24/7/ ai-generated Seinfeld stream lasted all of six days before So they got banned the same night Jerry Seinfeld learned about it? lol
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Feb 6, 2023 21:59
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RenegadeStyle1 posted:This is the forum where someone said explaining something is endorsing it. Remembering is doxxing
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Feb 6, 2023 22:05
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That Italian Guy posted:
House also has a problem in that either the writers or the network didn't want House to evolve and totally nuke his relationship with Cuddy in the worst way possible.
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Feb 6, 2023 22:06
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That Italian Guy posted:Yeah most people treated by House's team are going to that hospital specifically because they have a "wtf is going on" department that treats weird stuff no other specialist has been able to figure out. I never watched Elementary but I probably should. And yeah House's willingness to actually TRY to change (even if he fails) actually is what sets him apart from the Rick Sanchez types.
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