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Payndz posted:Something as minor as not lighting up all those weird scale-breaking giant windows makes a hell of a difference. (It's still too dark overall, but unfortunately that seems de rigeur for live-action Trek now.) Yeah, the added deflector and taking out those weird saucer rim lights are doing a lot of heavy lifting for it's design.
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Barkhawk posted:We see plenty of him scattered around the bridge and adjacent Jeffries’s tubes. This is incorrect; you'll love him
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Der Kyhe posted:They also at least admitted that COVID-19 messed up with the PIC S1 SFX work and that's why we got clone-stamped fleet of badly-made models. It is ironically the most blatant and egregious thing everyone points to as being emblematic of Picard Season 1's flaws, but it's the only thing I'm actually willing to give a complete pass to purely because it came about as the wrongest possible time and the work on that final fleet shot just got t-boned by Covid. So it was a matter of either copy and paste the one and a half ships they had ready to roll, or put the final episode on ice for like a month or more while they finished modeling the rest of the Starfleet armada. That said, they kind of went overboard with just flooding the zone with poo poo to try and cover up the fact that they only had one ship model ready. I think it would have looked a lot better if instead of like 100 Inquiry-classes on screen, they just pared it back to like 20 or 30 and spaced them out more.
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Feb 6, 2023 20:18
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Yeah, I pretty much give any post-production weirdness on any piece of media made in 2020-2022 a blanket pass because it was just a sucky situation all around in the industry. The writing, however…!!
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I think it's good, actually, that the Federation doesn't have brutal, punitive punishments in the 31st Century, and also that they would consider watching your entire planet get exploded with zero opportunity for evacuation of most of itspeople and all its native plant and animal life mitigating circumstances for his crimes. It's not like Book is someone that just loves genocide and will gladly attempt to commit another if he gets a chance, and what is justice in this context when the 10-C did the aforementioned thing first? Book didn't actually commit genocide and figured it out at the last minute, the 10-C committed genocide without even realizing it. e: there's an episode in TNG where a guy actually does wipe out an entire species of advanced, spacefaring, humanoid life forms, with a thought and Picard essentially goes "welp, nothing we can really do because this guy is pretty much all-powerful." I guess not actually all-powerful since they couldn't bring them back, even though he regretted his actions. Professor Beetus fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Feb 6, 2023 |
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Professor Beetus posted:I think it's good, actually, that the Federation doesn't have brutal, punitive punishments in the 31st Century, and also that they would consider watching your entire planet get exploded with zero opportunity for evacuation of most of itspeople and all its native plant and animal life mitigating circumstances for his crimes. It's not like Book is someone that just loves genocide and will gladly attempt to commit another if he gets a chance, and what is justice in this context when the 10-C did the aforementioned thing first? Book didn't actually commit genocide and figured it out at the last minute, the 10-C committed genocide without even realizing it.
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LividLiquid posted:Could you refresh my memory? Where they find an old man and his wife on the planet. Sole occupants.
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They should have referred Kevin to Q’s kangaroo court
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The whole situation is kinda hosed: there was a pacifist but extremely powerful being who took the form of one of the natives on an agricultural colony. He was happy and lived in peace with his wife who was one of the natives. A space faring civilization invaded and wiped out the planets occupants. The being got very angry, and accidentally with a thought killed the entire civilization. He's horrified, but whatever culture he came from apparently doesn't care that he wiped out an entire civilization, so the powerful being is just living with a silmicarium of his wife in a tiny bit of farmland that he recreated.
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LividLiquid posted:Could you refresh my memory? Yeah, it's called "The Survivors" and it's episode 3 of the 3rd season. And in additon, Picard says that he can't even imagine a punishment that could fit that crime. In general there's plenty of stuff to criticize Disco for (like the treatment of Michael Burnham in Starfleet's 23rd Century justice system for instance), but I don't think the way they handled the resolution with the 10-C and Book is it. Twincityhacker posted:The whole situation is kinda hosed: there was a pacifist but extremely powerful being who took the form of one of the natives on an agricultural colony. He was happy and lived in peace with his wife who was one of the natives. A space faring civilization invaded and wiped out the planets occupants. The being got very angry, and accidentally with a thought killed the entire civilization. Probably becomes one of those places that Starfleet puts up a beacon at to tell people to stay the gently caress away.
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Professor Beetus posted:Yeah, it's called "The Survivors" and it's episode 3 of the 3rd season. And in additon, Picard says that he can't even imagine a punishment that could fit that crime. In general there's plenty of stuff to criticize Disco for (like the treatment of Michael Burnham in Starfleet's 23rd Century justice system for instance), but I don't think the way they handled the resolution with the 10-C and Book is it. Yeah, the Federation even having a "life in prison" punishment is weird and probably a product of being written by ( all? ) Americans. I think there's only six other countries that even has "indefinite detention" as a punishment. Though lots of other countries have *de facto* indefinite detention, with handing out sentences of over a hundred years for crimes like mass murder. Add into the fact that it's debatable whether or not the other convicts volunteered for working in a dilithium mine, everything around the 23rd century justice system seems sketch. ( I mean, it was already sketch because the 1960's had a much different idea of why people commit crimes so their "enlightened" justice system in TOS was loving weird. Like, brainwashing was considered a good idea amongst other things. )
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Thank you. I remember the episode now.
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Lister posted:The talk about punishment in discovery is making me remember that burnham got demoted for insubordination in season 3. It was a terrible consequence that ruined her career. Haha she starts the show off being sent to shadow prison for mutiny. I forget if that ever got wiped off the record or if when they deleted Discovery from history records she was still a noted mutineer. Later on the evil genocidal version of the captain she mutinee'd against gets special treatment and promotion despite never changing her ethics at all. Paris did Threshold and I don't know if they even gave him a slap on the wrist for it, at least a kidnapping charge or something, right? I prefer when they do an episode where it's just like a society inexplicably built around "what if you went to jail before you did a crime"
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That's by far Discovery's greatest sin. Section 31 is so loving Bush-era now. It's gross.
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Twincityhacker posted:Since there are a ton of posters between the three plus Star Trek threads on SA: yeah, I have no idea who you are, sorry? Yeah that's my bad, the disposable season of TV was a while back so I forgot the specifics other than remembering "Book basically got off scot free." But yes you are correct he got "community service" which is definitely an appropriate punishment for potentially ending all life in the Federation.
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Khanstant posted:Haha she starts the show off being sent to shadow prison for mutiny. I forget if that ever got wiped off the record or if when they deleted Discovery from history records she was still a noted mutineer. Later on the evil genocidal version of the captain she mutinee'd against gets special treatment and promotion despite never changing her ethics at all. We don't know if it was deleted from the records or not. Thread continues to be Big Mad about things that Did Not Happen on Discovery tho. They explictly give a free pass to Mirror Gergoiu to end the Klingon War doing any means necessary. Her "promotion" is just being shunted to Section 31, and then is only "in charge" because she's blackmailing Leland.
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Charity Porno posted:Yeah that's my bad, the disposable season of TV was a while back so I forgot the specifics other than remembering "Book basically got off scot free." But yes you are correct he got "community service" which is definitely an appropriate punishment for potentially ending all life in the Federation. Based on what actually happened, yeah, it was.
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MikeJF posted:Matalis did a run-down of the Titan bridge crew/cannon fodder. Why is everything so blue?! Give me back my warm lighting on my bridges.  I feel like the set would be way more tolerable if it was just lit like a normal place.
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Feb 7, 2023 00:03
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Kazy posted:Why is everything so blue?! Give me back my warm lighting on my bridges.
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Payndz posted:PRESTIGE TELEVISION! The seriousness is inversely proportional to the amount of foot-candles! I loved that in Stargate, where when they moved to the Dark and Serious Stargate Universe suddenly all these sets that you'd seen for years were all dim and dramatic 
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Just watched Yesterday's Enterprise and you get a sneak preview of darkened starship lighting. You know, to give a visual shorthand that poo poo's hosed up and wrong.
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Charity Porno posted:Yeah that's my bad, the disposable season of TV was a while back so I forgot the specifics other than remembering "Book basically got off scot free." But yes you are correct he got "community service" which is definitely an appropriate punishment for potentially ending all life in the Federation. He definitely deserved a greater punishment but he’s not leaving the show, so they aren’t going to throw him in solitary confinement or anything
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AfroSquirrel posted:I think you mean Class 1 Supervisor (or one's assistant), not a Q Still blows my mind that someone really thought we needed a follow-up to a lovely failed spinoff pilot Twincityhacker posted:The whole situation is kinda hosed: there was a pacifist but extremely powerful being who took the form of one of the natives on an agricultural colony. He was happy and lived in peace with his wife who was one of the natives. A space faring civilization invaded and wiped out the planets occupants. The being got very angry, and accidentally with a thought killed the entire civilization. I wouldn't necessarily presume that the Dowd even know what Kevin Uxbridge got up to. For all we know he's the only one of their kind in this galaxy, or even in this supercluster or local group or whatever the next biggest cosmological category is called. Or maybe they have perfect knowledge and that's just another one of those 'terrors to freeze your soul' about the universe; that, oh yeah, there's another race of superbeings that wander the cosmos, and they give zero shits about what their peers get up to, up to and including genocide.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Or maybe they have perfect knowledge and that's just another one of those 'terrors to freeze your soul' about the universe; that, oh yeah, there's another race of superbeings that wander the cosmos, and they give zero shits about what their peers get up to, up to and including genocide. Yeah. In that light, loving yikes: humanity at least met the one with a conscience.
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Kazy posted:Why is everything so blue?! Give me back my warm lighting on my bridges. My singular complaint about Picard S3 is how dark the lighting is all the time everywhere.
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Both the dinner scene with Captain Shaw and the TNG group conference scene in that trailer look like they’re taking place in a theater that’s currently showing trailers before the movie actually starts.
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Twincityhacker posted:We don't know if it was deleted from the records or not. I said she got special treatment, that free pass is special treatment lol. And it's definitely a promotion, she shouldn't even be in this universe, and if she's going to stay, she definitely needs more rehabilitation than one guilt trip from a portal dork, so really any official position once her "genocide is bad but hey just this one time we can leverage this genocidal maniacs warmongering for good! :v " pass is up. And being sent to Section 31 is like a special treat even if she were sent as a janitor. She's also going back in time IIRC back to not long after Section 31 went all-on on an killer AI being the secret boss of the Federation. I don't get why they don't just visit a two-way mirror universe and grab a nice Georgeiou, or have Q show up and bring her back from the dead for no reason. The tech to scoop a corpse into an app then into a golem wasn't around yet... Except Michael both had access to the red angel tech and knows CBS regrets instantly killing off their star character.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Both the dinner scene with Captain Shaw and the TNG group conference scene in that trailer look like they’re taking place in a theater that’s currently showing trailers before the movie actually starts. Is this because of HD TVs?
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't understand when lighting people decided that you need to make everything incredibly dark, all the time, for TV I bet it was around the same time the audio people decided that the dialogue should be so quiet it's hard to catch everything that's said.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't understand when lighting people decided that you need to make everything incredibly dark, all the time, for TV Actually, that’s partially it. Things had to be loving lit like the sun in the SD era for things to show clearly on small CRT screens.
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Also with digital you can shoot in much darker conditions than film without the risk of not getting a usable shot.
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It's also a function of episode orders and budget. Time is money on a film set. Everybody's getting paid to stand around while you light a shot. Everybody. So if you have that old even TV lighting like the D's bridge, you don't spend all that time lighting each individual shot. And it takes a *while* to light a shot. Like, roughly 90% of my admittedly limited time on film sets was spent waiting for a gaffer to do their thing. Or being said gaffer and feeling the sweat pour off me as I try to light as well as I could as quickly as I could because I was mentally doing the math of how much everybody was making per hour of standing around watching me. And when you're doing 26 episodes a year, you really don't have time to do all that anyway. If you look at some long-running shows like Scrubs, the lighting gets worse and worse as time goes on because everybody gets mandatory union raises every year and that money has to come from somewhere else in the budget.
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Powered Descent posted:I bet it was around the same time the audio people decided that the dialogue should be so quiet it's hard to catch everything that's said. Thought that was because every company is so cheap they won't budget for ADR and such, so we just get stuck with what's recorded on set and hope it's good enough. Maybe they wanna save on the electric bill so we get bad lighting now too.
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Kazy posted:Why is everything so blue?! Give me back my warm lighting on my bridges. Judging by the red lights in the background, I'm guessing that this is Red Alert, which has involved dimming the lights on the bridge since Voyager. I'm hoping that things are more brightly lit when there's nothing dramatic happening.
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These are good explainers for both of those things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qehsk_-Bjq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8
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Twincityhacker posted:Yeah, the Federation even having a "life in prison" punishment is weird and probably a product of being written by ( all? ) Americans. I think there's only six other countries that even has "indefinite detention" as a punishment. Though lots of other countries have *de facto* indefinite detention, with handing out sentences of over a hundred years for crimes like mass murder.  Mudd got sentenced to psychiatric treatment, lol.
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Facebook Aunt posted:
Mudd got sentenced to live on a planet populated by an infinitely replicating army of robots that looked and acted like his ex-wife for the rest of his life. The man lives in hell, no further punishment needed.
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