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Since making that post, Greedier 3 streak on diff characters with 100+ coins donated each of the first two times, and 40somewhat the 3rd. Now comes the part where I need to reset/die like 10 or 15 more times before I will get a good run again.
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I cheated and force unlocked all the greedier stuff because that mode is just completely awful to play through. No regrets.
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Feb 3, 2023 18:52
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tainted keeper is just What if greed mode was fun
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Found this rather comprehensive review and ranking of a whole lot of mod characters, in case someone's looking for new characters to try out: https://www.reddit.com/r/bindingofisaac/comments/10q09ij/my_mod_character_tier_list_second_edition_check/ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1awc-NKOxq09egamieEw0zoYx6JTkpK2kO8yaaJI-PwI/edit?usp=sharing  In fact, has anyone here tried some of these characters?
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Feb 4, 2023 15:49
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I've played most of those characters and the ratings are fairly accurate. I'd personally drop Andromeda down several tiers but only because I really cannot stand tiny planet and the other gimmicks aren't enough to make it fun for me. I'd also recommend skipping Tama entirely as it's rather problematic, even if the character is fun.
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Feb 4, 2023 17:24
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Speaking of terrible characters god drat does Tainted Cain suck to play. I'm glad that Mama Mega is still a fixed recipe so I could cheese my way into Boss Rush/Hush.
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Feb 4, 2023 18:24
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I have a run in which I have Money=Power, Deep Pockets, IV Bag and Swallowed Penny for money, and Placenta to regen health from the IV bag. If I sit around activating IV bag once per minute, I can achieve maximum damage from Money=Power in about. . . seven hours I think? No, wait, Placenta only has a chance of triggering every minute; I have no idea what the probability is but lmao The worst part of this game is how sometimes playing optimally means doing something really boring, and this is the epitome right here.
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Feb 6, 2023 21:22
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Seems like it would be a better use of your time to IV bag down to a half heart, leave, and come back and do the same thing every few hours. I don't see the point in sitting there monitoring the game so you can do it with perfect efficiency.
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Feb 6, 2023 21:29
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just console command yourself in a dollar and pretend you did all that instead of actually spending that ridiculous amount of time
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Feb 6, 2023 22:26
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Ariong posted:Seems like it would be a better use of your time to IV bag down to a half heart, leave, and come back and do the same thing every few hours. I don't see the point in sitting there monitoring the game so you can do it with perfect efficiency. Well, I only had one red heart container at the time. But instead of doing any of that I just kept playing normally; I got Little C.H.A.D. and by a couple floors later I had hit about 400, maybe 450 coins by iv-bagging constantly plus getting some great chest drops. Then I found a 2 of Diamonds and hit 999 coins pretty easily. Absolutely annihilated the bosses with the power of  . I just found it funny that on floor 4 or so, the "optimal" play is to sit around pressing a button every 1-2 minutes for several hours.
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DontMockMySmock posted:I have a run in which I have Money=Power, Deep Pockets, IV Bag and Swallowed Penny for money, and Placenta to regen health from the IV bag. If I sit around activating IV bag once per minute, I can achieve maximum damage from Money=Power in about. . . seven hours I think? No, wait, Placenta only has a chance of triggering every minute; I have no idea what the probability is but lmao if i knew anything about modding, a mod that specifically sped up 'optimal' play that involved idling is the one i've wanted for a long time. just something that goes 'if you haven't moved in 15 seconds or so, grant these buffs if you also have these items' until you move again. placenta has its heal roll every second; gnawed leaf massively boosts damage, etc
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Feb 6, 2023 22:45
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i’ve said it before but there’s a few cases where the existence of a very boring optimal play makes the game significantly worse to actually play
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Feb 7, 2023 02:24
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Like so many other elements of Isaac it comes back to resource management, the resource here being "your level of self respect". I'm not above doing some goofy tedious poo poo to achieve some big power spike but sometimes there's a point where it's just too silly and time consuming and I have to say no, I'm not going to do that.
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Feb 7, 2023 02:59
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Managed a 3 win streak with t lost!! Then lost it instantly on the first floor to a spider.
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Feb 7, 2023 03:01
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Yeah time based regeneration is a weird effect to have in the game given that there's no time pressure for most runs. Gnawed Leaf is the other effect that can lead to absurdly slow strategies (and technically the two together is infinite health...)
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Feb 7, 2023 03:17
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i have placenta-scummed like twice in all of my time with this game and it's definitely the worst tiny aspect of the game. sometimes a run is just too good to lose but you gently caress up and almost die, and you have the placenta, so...
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Feb 7, 2023 03:19
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I Gnawed Leaf scummed for two TCain runs because that item is weirdly low quality in his tables and I really wanted to get the character out of the way as soon as possible
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Feb 7, 2023 03:21
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What's the easiest way to beat stuff as the Lost? Just unlocked him I know there are probably no complete freebees, but what is the "tankiest" you can get him in theory? Extra Lives, protection, etc
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Feb 7, 2023 03:28
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Holy mantle and a prayer
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Feb 7, 2023 03:34
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Extra lives like Dead Cat Orbitals Active defenses like Psi Fly Chance based damage prevention like Infamy Immunity to certain damage types like Pyromaniac Timed invincibility like Algiz Extra layers of Holy Mantle like Blanket
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Feb 7, 2023 03:50
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BabyRyoga posted:What's the easiest way to beat stuff as the Lost? Just unlocked him gotta donate 879 coins in Greed/ier mode to have The Lost rewarded with a permanent Holy Mantle, makes it a lot easier to survive. Always take any extra life stuff like Dead Cat, Guppy's Collar, 1UP. Take every devil deal (that's worth taking anyway) since they're free. Learn to dodge good. Since you have flight and spectral tears, attack enemies through obstructions and plant yourself inside some rocks or something to lessen the chance of damage (but obviously watch for projectiles that can go through solid objects) Anything that can reduce or negate damage risk like Pyromaniac, Host Hat, Infamy, etc., all good. Book of Shadows is really helpful, especially if you can get a 4.5 Volt and do enough damage to recharge that sucker asap. Doing the Greed Donation Machine is very very important though, getting that perma Mantle makes The Lost at least somewhat bearable. bucksmash fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Feb 7, 2023 |
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Yeah there is no playing the Lost until you unlock Holy Mantle Don't even bother. That's harder than playing T Lost
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I do not recommend playing naked Lost at all. Without the Holy Mantle, the game is much harder, and his unlocks aren't that vital to the game to unlock ASAP. But if you insist, basically look for any defensive item you can. Holy Mantle and Dead Cat are the big ones. Use the Eternal D6 to roll away worthless items like health upgrades or anything relating to spectral tears and flight. If you have Birthright unlocked, grab that because it automatically filters out all the useless items for you. However once you do get the Holy Mantle, most of that advice still applies. It's just that the game is just a lot more forgiving when you can take 1 free hit per room. Holy Mantle on any other character is genuinely absurd since it's effectively a massive HP increase. Sockser posted:Yeah there is no playing the Lost until you unlock Holy Mantle Tainted Lost at least has a holy card, a 30% damage boost, and can snowball more easily compared to mantle-less Lost because of the way his item mechanics work.
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No one said it, but once you get Mantle unlocked, obviously go into every curse room as well.
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Lol I forgot you have to unlock the Mantle. You also have to beat Delirium with original Lost for Tainted Lost to be able to have more than 2 health over the course of the entire run
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I have a Switch and PS4 file that are about at parity, most hard completion marks/challenges done on the base characters and it's so tedious to even unlock the new ones, and most of them are boring or annoying to play that I just haven't bothered to grind them out. Have way more fun playing on a 100% save on PC with just Isaac.
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As far as I know, T.Lost just acts as if you have holy card unlocked while playing as them, and getting it unlocked just lets other characters grab it.
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the game should just automatically declare a win the instant you get gnawed leaf + any passive damage dealer. there's no point in playing through the rest of it when it's a done deal
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Theotus posted:I have a Switch and PS4 file that are about at parity, most hard completion marks/challenges done on the base characters and it's so tedious to even unlock the new ones, and most of them are boring or annoying to play that I just haven't bothered to grind them out. Have way more fun playing on a 100% save on PC with just Isaac. Yeah I got most things unlocked on Switch but then gave up. If I had it on a PC I'd play with mods. As is Ive just left it with a chunk of them left alone. Could download a fully unlocked save (modded console) to get the things I'd never get but oh well.
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Closing in on 300 unlocks and starting to get to tainted chars. Which of these characters actually aren't nightmares to play? It seems like a lot of the secret and tainted chars have gimmicks that make the game unfun.
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BabyRyoga posted:Closing in on 300 unlocks and starting to get to tainted chars. Which of these characters actually aren't nightmares to play? It seems like a lot of the secret and tainted chars have gimmicks that make the game unfun.
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Yeah the majority of the tainted characters are actually really, really strong.
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Yeah the large majority of them are at least fun for a few runs even if you might get sick of them by the time you've hit all the completion marks. I would say in general the designs are much cooler than any non-tainted DLC characters.
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Out of the 5 I've played through I've despised Tainted Cain and ???. Haven't even gotten to the really bad ones like Lazarus, Eden, Forgotten and Jacob yet. I think they have the same issue as a lot of Repentance content where there was definitely a lot of work put into it but no-one ever stopped to think "would this be fun to actually play".
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Jacob owns, though. Using the pocket item to slingshot Esau around is fun as hell.
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My evaluation: Tainted Isaac - fun, having more options alleviates some run RNG, shows how powerful you can get with a small subset of items Tainted Magdalene - fun, just make sure you stay above the threshold for losing deal chance and always take health ups, can chew through dense rooms like nobody's business Tainted Cain - Blah. Ended up abusing the R key to clear everything in one shot outside of Greedier (remember you have to save Beast for last, and if you have a bad coinflip on Mega Satan you get to do it all over again) and abused multiple Steam Sales to cheese through Greedier. Set aside a day for this. Tainted Judas - fun, very easy, dark arts is absurdly OP Tainted ??? - The worst. The WORST. Not being able to bomb at will SUCKS and I can't stress this enough. You're basically hoping for poop RNG to work in your favor and it often doesn't. I think it took me more attempts to full clear his post-it on this character compared to all the other Tainted characters. gently caress Tainted ???. Once I cleared him I was sure I was going to get Dead God. Tainted Eve - fun, snowballs once you have enough clots out Tainted Samson - fun, berserk club does a lot of work Tainted Azazel - decently fun, properly chaining his vulnerability makes him about as easy as az Tainted Lazarus - Ugh. Terrible character, the switching mechanic really stinks until you're able to stumble onto an early Birthright, then it becomes a strictly better Jacob & Esau as long as you're not stupid with the flips. Don't play this character until you unlock Birthright at bare minimum. Tainted Eden - fun, as long as you pick up a couple of quality 4 items and are mindful to pad your health with soul hearts, the constant item flipping isn't that much of a downside at all Tainted Lost - surprisingly fun, somehow I had an easier time clearing on this character than regular lost, esp in regarding clearing greedier (lost used 8/9ths of a dead cat, t.lost was able to soak 4 hits with holy cards) Tainted Lilith - fun, very easy, just chain whip all day Tainted Keeper - fun, snowballs fast because of all the extra money you pick up but the low health is admittedly annoying Tainted Apollyon - annoying at first until you get enough locusts, then gets fun Tainted Forgotten - extremely fun, fast movement through the maze and also get to pick up curse rooms for free Tainted Bethany - very fun, snowballs once you have enough wisps out, occasionally you get laughably overpowered wisps and the run flies Tainted Jacob - ultimately fun, surprisingly not that hard once you figure out you can manipulate dark esau into doing big damage for you, just don't back yourself into a corner or otherwise find yourself unable to get out of the revenant's way So yeah, most of them are fun except for the nightmarish slog of ???, the very drawn-out crafting gameplay of Cain, and the needs-a-specific-shop-item-to-not-suck gameplay of Laz.
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man, you shoulda been there for original tainted laz.
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I still haven't unlocked normal the forgotten. Tried one time, thought it was horrible after a few rooms of stompy feet, haven't tried again. It's probably not as bad as it seems, and I assume you probably just use the feet to kill everything for you. There's probably some cheese for it, I bet.
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BabyRyoga posted:I still haven't unlocked normal the forgotten. Tried one time, thought it was horrible after a few rooms of stompy feet, haven't tried again. It's probably not as bad as it seems, and I assume you probably just use the feet to kill everything for you. There's probably some cheese for it, I bet. Azazel can fly above all the floor obstacles and starts out with strong brimstone attack to easily kill the first boss in less than a minute. Boss rush is the only hurdle if you don't get any good items on the way to it, but the boss rush timer is disabled as long as you hold the shovel piece, so take your time.
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