twistedmentat posted:

In the backstory of Warhammer 40k, the Emperor, while he was unifying old earth under his leadership, he created super soldiers called Thunder Warriors. They were quick to create and there to simply be his legions to fight the various factions that controlled the hellscape that was Terra at the time. Though at the same time, he was collecting people with deeper knowlage of genetics so he could create something better and more stable to do to to the galaxy what he was currently doing to Terra, the Space Marines. When Earth was completely under the Emperors control, he assembled all his Thunder Warriors at a single location, and unleashed the Space Marines on them, slaughtering almost all of them. When someone said "hey what happened to the Thunder Warriors?" they'd get "oh they revolted and had to be put down".

I cannot help but thinking the Empire is planning on doing this to the Clones in the Bad Batch. The Empire gets their TK Troopers/Storm Troopers up to a point where they can fully take over from the Clone, and unlike the 40k Emperor, Papa Palpatine is probably going to have to make up a clone rebellion, because they're obviously building towards one, which i'm sure Rampart will not hesitate to just order the TK Troopers to just kill all the clones.

Vinylshadow posted:

not to be confused

Dave Syndrome posted:

Too late.
What's "A Jedi's Return"?

HootTheOwl posted:

The third movie.
Not too be confused with the third episode

twistedmentat posted:

I cannot help but thinking the Empire is planning on doing this to the Clones in the Bad Batch. The Empire gets their TK Troopers/Storm Troopers up to a point where they can fully take over from the Clone, and unlike the 40k Emperor, Papa Palpatine is probably going to have to make up a clone rebellion, because they're obviously building towards one, which i'm sure Rampart will not hesitate to just order the TK Troopers to just kill all the clones.

Arc Hammer posted:

Tangentially related to star wars TV but it always amazes and depresses me how quickly someone online can go from being innocuous to showing their whole rear end. The guy on youtube named Scoundrel's Cantina who was uploading the Andor monologues before Disney uploaded the official clips decided to make a post today screaming bloody murder about Wookieepedia adding a pronoun section to character bios and decided that was a step too far with Disney shoving the woke agenda down people's throats. So that's another channel blocked, drat the bigots.

It's just baffling to me how the same people who rave about how good Andor is turn around and then start ranting about the evils of wokeness without a hint of irony. It honestly makes me wonder how many of these bigots actually understood what Andor was going for or if they're just praising andor for being the "badass star wars for adults" surface level reading.

Arc Hammer posted:

Tangentially related to star wars TV but it always amazes and depresses me how quickly someone online can go from being innocuous to showing their whole rear end. The guy on youtube named Scoundrel's Cantina who was uploading the Andor monologues before Disney uploaded the official clips decided to make a post today screaming bloody murder about Wookieepedia adding a pronoun section to character bios and decided that was a step too far with Disney shoving the woke agenda down people's throats. So that's another channel blocked, drat the bigots.

It's just baffling to me how the same people who rave about how good Andor is turn around and then start ranting about the evils of wokeness without a hint of irony. It honestly makes me wonder how many of these bigots actually understood what Andor was going for or if they're just praising andor for being the "badass star wars for adults" surface level reading.

Arc Hammer posted:

Tangentially related to star wars TV but it always amazes and depresses me how quickly someone online can go from being innocuous to showing their whole rear end. The guy on youtube named Scoundrel's Cantina who was uploading the Andor monologues before Disney uploaded the official clips decided to make a post today screaming bloody murder about Wookieepedia adding a pronoun section to character bios and decided that was a step too far with Disney shoving the woke agenda down people's throats. So that's another channel blocked, drat the bigots.

It's just baffling to me how the same people who rave about how good Andor is turn around and then start ranting about the evils of wokeness without a hint of irony. It honestly makes me wonder how many of these bigots actually understood what Andor was going for or if they're just praising andor for being the "badass star wars for adults" surface level reading.

KurdtLives posted:

I am sure a bunch of January 6th types feel like the show is speaking to them personally because they clearly aren't ones for self awareness to begin with.

Neo Rasa posted:

Something important to know about Star Wars is that at the end of the day EVERYONE thinks they're the rebels. Like I have the misfortune to know more than one person that's a mega conservative Trump lover "we need law and order I hate how immigrants and 'those people' make everything more expensive for us ugh I can't believe a gay person was in a movie why do they have to put politics in everything" level people that think Andor is one of the best TV shows ever made.

People who are like that that are massive Trek fans are the more baffling to me though lol

Neo Rasa posted:

People who are like that that are massive Trek fans are the more baffling to me though lol

Kesper North posted:

It's a long way, from there to here

(sorry I had to)

Doctor Spaceman posted:

A lot of Trek isn't strongly political though, or is political but in a pro-America way that is broadly acceptable to conservatives. Of the movies only 2 or 3 are really interested in political allegory: one is a broad environmental message, and one is about how America won the Cold War and should be magnanimous in victory, and one is an incomprehensible 9/11 Truther film. There isn't much there to object to.

Doctor Spaceman posted:

and one is an incomprehensible 9/11 Truther film

Anarcho-Commissar posted:

"Somehow, Khan has returned."

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Not entirely true. Not everyone sees themselves as a rebel. There are many fascists who identify with the Empire and clamour for shows that make them look competent and menacing.

Eiba posted:

Hey, there's some good politics in Star Trekintodarkness. It's not a good movie, but it's got some good politics. It says in no uncertain terms that it is not okay to drone strike foreign countries, even if terrorists personally killed your father figure and you're very mad about it. That's a good message. At its core it's saying militarism is bad, and the desire to militarize things creates its own paranoid culture that makes violence more inevitable. That's also a good message.

If it builds that all on a foundation of "our militarists are secretly responsible for the major terrorist attack against us as part of their plot to promote militarism," well, what's the harm in a little 9/11 Trutherism for a good cause?

(There's obviously plenty wrong with it, and in any case all this ideology was a backdrop for a funny scene where Spock does the funny Khan shout instead of Kirk, which seems to be what the whole movie was actually built around, and that's pretty bad.)

thrawn527 posted:

Yeah, it gets really annoying when someone gets insistent on the whole, "The Empire was right!" thing. No, they weren't, and you're being dumb.

HootTheOwl posted:

Different universe. This one is younger.
Hotter.

Ash1138 posted:

Eason the Fifth posted:

BSG had some incredible moments but great swathes of it sucked real bad

thrawn527 posted:

Yeah, it gets really annoying when someone gets insistent on the whole, "The Empire was right!" thing. No, they weren't, and you're being dumb.

I like this. It pairs well with some posts I've seen around here about Star Trek '09, in showing JJ's ideology. The short version is that JJ is a very optimistic man and filmmaker, and his first Star Trek movie is basically dark, cold, scary sci-fi of the future coming face to face with bright, happy, optimistic sci-fi of the past, and the dark sci-fi eventually loses. It's why the Enterprise is shown as a literal "ship of lights" (which led to everyone complaining about lens flare), and why Nero's ship is all dark and freaky looking. And Nero also happens to be a canon obsessed nerd ("Don't tell me it didn't happen! I SAW IT HAPPEN!") While the Enterprise crew is all, "Looks like the timeline changed and things are different. Whatever, let's roll with it." It doesn't really work for the whole movie, because JJ is not a perfect filmmaker or anything, but overall it works. And why it's one of my favorite Trek movies. (JJ being a Star Wars fan and making people say, "Punch it!" helps, too.)

KurdtLives posted:

but at least we got his Battlestar Galactica partly just because he was like "Let me show you what Voyager should of been like."

Animal-Mother posted:

If the Adama maneuver means dropping a huge ship into a planet's atmosphere, what is the Janeway maneuver?

Animal-Mother posted:

If the Adama maneuver means dropping a huge ship into a planet's atmosphere, what is the Janeway maneuver?

Animal-Mother posted:

If the Adama maneuver means dropping a huge ship into a planet's atmosphere, what is the Janeway maneuver?

Parkingtigers posted:

Saw a bunch of those classic style carded Star Wars figures in town yesterday. They had a to of figures branded for the Mandalorian (obviously), and for Obi-Wan. In amongst them was one figure branded for Andor, and it was Val. I swear, they do the Andor show with the same amount of support as the others and I would break and buy a of them. Gimme a Brasso with Maarva's brick accessory, and Kino Loy with a swim float.

mdemone posted:

KurdtLives posted:

At least Enterprise toned that down.