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Substandard
Oct 16, 2007

3rd street for life
I have now watched every episode of How I Met Your Father and they have all been awful. I don't know why I keep watching them. You should avoid this garbage show.

TheSlutPit posted:

The 00s are difficult to peg to a single cultural vibe because online social media became the dominant cultural force smack in the middle of the decade. Like if you were a millennial in the early 00s the major tastemakers were still the same traditional outlets as the 90s—mall brands, MTV, major record labels, etc—but from 2004-2007 everyone got extremely online and started curating their tastes based on blog buzz and poo poo.

Yeah when I think of 2000s stuff I tend to think of very late 90s - early 00s.

By the later 2000s blog era all the fashion advice on most blogs was all about basic traditional stuff that doesn't stick out that much. Skinny jeans are the only real thing I remember being crazy from that time frame but those weren't really new.

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Eric Cantonese
Dec 21, 2004

You should hear my accent.
How's That 90s Show doing? That's a big sign we're having a 90s revival, no?

And I feel like Youtube's been pushing a lot of Bam Magera stuff on me for some reason...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuluhA3S--U

Although that might be because Vice rather cynically re-released this when Magera looked like he might die from Covid.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Patient zero for 80's nostalgia was The Wedding Singer, released in 1998 and set in 1985.

Just imagine a movie released this year set in 2010 that sets off a wave of nostalgia for the 2010's

maybe Fukuyama was right

Substandard
Oct 16, 2007

3rd street for life
That 90's show is pretty good. If you like That 70's Show you will probably like it.

I was clapping like a trained seal every time there was a cameo of an original cast member. Everyone is on it at some point except for Hyde due to his sexual assault issues.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Yea but then all the scenes with the new characters happen and it's bad

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

galagazombie posted:

The post 9/11 decades don’t even have unique aesthetics from each other to get nostalgic for one over the other. The 00’s, 10’s, and so far the 20’s have all shared pretty much the same stuff between them. Sure the names change but the current is still the same.

actually now I disagree. 2000-2019 were like a long decade. But the kids who grew up having to not go to school for shootings and the pandemic, idolized youtubers instead of rappers or rockstars, played online games instead of biking around aimlessly, seem to have some kind of left wing political conciousness at least about being LGBTQ positive and worried about the doomed future, and according to studies are not doing drugs or having sex.

they have nothing in common with my childhood in the late 90s early 2000s

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Antonymous posted:

maybe Fukuyama was right


Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvGn9mm9bT0

or maybe our culture was so perverse, so contrary to what we now believe, it was basically repressed so as not to undergo the trauma of reconciling it

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


2010-2016 was a hell of a time to be one's formative years

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Justin Tyme posted:

2010-2016 was a hell of a time to be one's formative years

Yes. That was the era when it was hip to be a square, or a "nerd," as they called it back in the day

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





Antonymous posted:

or maybe our culture was so perverse, so contrary to what we now believe, it was basically repressed so as not to undergo the trauma of reconciling it

we tried out a gameshow where we asked people trivia questions while we just straight up tortured them, it lasted three episodes (all three are on youtube) before being basically disavowed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FiahUZsxs

we also had a show that was just Most Dangerous Game which answered the question "what if we let John Cena hunt people with a rifle" and it got cancelled close to the finale because it was apparently exceptionally rigged even in the context of an aughts era reality show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxdckhQoYUs

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Antonymous posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvGn9mm9bT0

or maybe our culture was so perverse, so contrary to what we now believe, it was basically repressed so as not to undergo the trauma of reconciling it

drat, spike tv was a thing huh lol

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Spike became FX right? Now that's a good transformation, spike was extremely distilled 2000's, but FX is fantastic

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

DoombatINC posted:

we tried out a gameshow where we asked people trivia questions while we just straight up tortured them, it lasted three episodes (all three are on youtube) before being basically disavowed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FiahUZsxs

we also had a show that was just Most Dangerous Game which answered the question "what if we let John Cena hunt people with a rifle" and it got cancelled close to the finale because it was apparently exceptionally rigged even in the context of an aughts era reality show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxdckhQoYUs

didn't fox float an idea for a reality show where immigrants competed for a green card?

Substandard
Oct 16, 2007

3rd street for life
I still can't believe that they aren't even killing people on the Squid Game gameshow. What is even the point? I at least want fake deaths for every loser.

*Edit* LOL - apparently according to this variety article they did spray fake blood on the people who were eliminated.

https://variety.com/2023/tv/global/netflix-squid-game-reality-show-frozen-inhumane-welfare-1235511809/

Substandard has issued a correction as of 06:17 on Feb 8, 2023

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

Antonymous posted:

actually now I disagree. 2000-2019 were like a long decade. But the kids who grew up having to not go to school for shootings and the pandemic, idolized youtubers instead of rappers or rockstars, played online games instead of biking around aimlessly, seem to have some kind of left wing political conciousness at least about being LGBTQ positive and worried about the doomed future, and according to studies are not doing drugs or having sex.

they have nothing in common with my childhood in the late 90s early 2000s

You misread me. I didn’t say post 9/11 was the same as the 90’s, I said they were the same as each other. Like 1985 and 1995 are discernible from each other at a glance. 2005, 2015, and I predict 2025 will not. Yes they’re easily discernible from the 90’s, but not each other. Ten years simply no longer changes things as much.

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS
My uncle got me a big dog t-shirt back in the day, it didn't say anything cool it just said "big dog"

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
Millennial life history eras

Reagan era "the 80's" - Gulf War
Gulf War/Clinton Election
Clinton era "the 90's" - 9/11
9/11 - Great recession "the Bush years"
Obama's election - Trump's election
March 2020 - Now "the Covid times"

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Hollywood needs more early 2000s nostalgia so dusty old writers don't have to figure out how to fit smartphones into their scripts

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Justin Tyme posted:

Spike became FX right? Now that's a good transformation, spike was extremely distilled 2000's, but FX is fantastic

spike was its own thing, started out as a country/south channel called TNN, then tried to do an edgy rebrand, then became spike which did reruns of CSI and UFC specials

then spike was just there until it became the paramount network and now i don't know what the hell it does because i haven't touched cable in years

bigger head turn moment was realizing TruTV's reality and practical joke channel started out as "court tv, the tv channel about courts"

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Antonymous posted:

actually now I disagree. 2000-2019 were like a long decade. But the kids who grew up having to not go to school for shootings and the pandemic, idolized youtubers instead of rappers or rockstars, played online games instead of biking around aimlessly, seem to have some kind of left wing political conciousness at least about being LGBTQ positive and worried about the doomed future, and according to studies are not doing drugs or having sex.

they have nothing in common with my childhood in the late 90s early 2000s
yeah, the whole issue of stagnant culture might also partially be an issue of us just being blind to/not interacting with the places where culture is evolving. when hollywood and the big record labels ran the show, it was pretty fair to look at their output to determine the evolution of (pop) culture - but the advent of the internet has basically started sorting generations into different online spaces. how would you know if culture is doing weird poo poo on tiktok if you're not engaging with it, and the poo poo you do pick up is like the equivalent of a boomer hearing stories about the dangers of the early internet?

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Hollywood needs more early 2000s nostalgia so dusty old writers don't have to figure out how to fit smartphones into their scripts
oh yeah, that's the real reason tv/movies can't move into the future present recent past

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


lol this fuckin loser

https://twitter.com/enesfreedom/status/1623185037737730049

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Hollywood needs more early 2000s nostalgia so dusty old writers don't have to figure out how to fit smartphones into their scripts

a device that lets any two people talk anytime and can answer any basic question, but looks absolutely terrible on screen and the device's model/fonts instantly dates your film does not really enhance drama, no

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

A Buttery Pastry posted:

how would you know if culture is doing weird poo poo on tiktok if you're not engaging with it, and the poo poo you do pick up is like the equivalent of a boomer hearing stories about the dangers of the early internet?


its like when some old dudes complain how tiktok is only softcore porn when thats just the stuff theyre liking lol

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

it's too bad eras are defined by their consumer products, fashion, and lingo not their general vibe and values. at least commercialized art forms like music and movies have some authenticity. I like donnie darko's use of an 80s soundtrack it is extremely well utilized, or blue velvet's 60s songs

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

I just watched Dazed and Confused again today and there's literally nothing interesting about the 1970s.

maybe the US recognizing China hasn't been tapped. who cares about 'nam or the hippie drug&love revolution becoming cynical hedonism, abuse, and a slimy underworld. The 70s are now closed.

DoombatINC
Apr 20, 2003

Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.





Antonymous posted:

a device that lets any two people talk anytime and can answer any basic question, but looks absolutely terrible on screen and the device's model/fonts instantly dates your film does not really enhance drama, no

watching lifetime movies of the past decade is like grading a hundred papers on a college-level course on how to portray cellphones in movies, its maybe the most unifying element

the best ones do it by having everyones phone be nondescript black rectangles and overlaying the texting / browsing / whatever into the scene, anyone still zooming in on a real phone with its actual os and apps to get information to the audience is pulling some amateur's hour poo poo

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

fits my needs posted:

its like when some old dudes complain how tiktok is only softcore porn when thats just the stuff theyre liking lol

this is how the chapos described their experience iirc.

me? I get weather, municipal garbage collectors, Chinese metalworkers in workshops, cats, chickens, other birds, capybaras, food recipes, cars getting owned by ice and flooding. bom videos 👍

im saint germain
Jan 30, 2021

i've come from the future to tell you all we have to stop party rock before it returns

mawarannahr posted:

royal tenenbaums 2

How dare you say this instead of The Royal 2nenbaums

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Antonymous posted:

I just watched Dazed and Confused again today and there's literally nothing interesting about the 1970s.

What about that Aerosmith concert?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Antonymous posted:

I just watched Dazed and Confused again today and there's literally nothing interesting about the 1970s.

parker posey was in this movie about the 70s and that's sufficient imo

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

galagazombie posted:

You misread me. I didn’t say post 9/11 was the same as the 90’s, I said they were the same as each other. Like 1985 and 1995 are discernible from each other at a glance. 2005, 2015, and I predict 2025 will not. Yes they’re easily discernible from the 90’s, but not each other. Ten years simply no longer changes things as much.

I would still say 1995 and 2005 are closer together than 1995 and 1985. Btw, 1995 you already have the blockbuster movie era, the beginnings of the internet, and soon after cell phones start cropping up more. I would say it is the start of the "contemporary period."

Btw, that doesn't mean society/economics/politics etc haven't changed, they have considerably but there also seems to be a slowing of some elements of culture. This forum doesn't really have young people in it any more, but I get a sense there is intense alienation from not really society itself in the same way as Gen X but the overarching form about how culture is now "applied" to society. I don't get a sense of a strong generation gap (or animosity) between zoomers and millennials (even though they are different) in the same way there was between the silent generation to boomers, then boomers to gen x, and gen x to millennials. It doesn't mean for that zoomers don't have their own cultural influence but usually it is dominated by the edifice of broader American culture which has become stagnant.

stringless
Dec 28, 2005

keyboard ⌨️​ :clint: cowboy

Ardennes posted:

Windows 98 and I guess whatever people were wearing in the late 90s (t shirts and jeans)
short sleeved t-shirts over long-sleeved t-shirts

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


The 2010s had a certain dark vibe to them that's missing in the 20s.

It was when everyone was waking up to how poo poo things were and it looked like there might some kind of a confrontation with Liberal hegemony but instead an orange man was rude to journalists and the status quo crushed those movements by exerting a small amount of effort.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Eric Cantonese posted:

How's That 90s Show doing? That's a big sign we're having a 90s revival, no?

https://ew.com/tv/that-90s-show-renewed-for-season-2-netflix/#:~:text=Less%20than%20two%20weeks%20after,spin%2Doff%20for%20season%202.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Communist Thoughts posted:

The 2010s had a certain dark vibe to them that's missing in the 20s.

It was when everyone was waking up to how poo poo things were and it looked like there might some kind of a confrontation with Liberal hegemony but instead an orange man was rude to journalists and the status quo crushed those movements by exerting a small amount of effort.

I thought the early 2010s was the last time there was some glimmer of hope of anything changing but by Obama's second term it was clear we were completely screwed. It is hard not to say the 20s haven't been dark in their own way though, but that is more the crumbling of society itself.

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
I feel like how similar the two last decades have been is a bit oversold. The Bush, Obama and Trump eras were very differently experienced for obvious reasons even if leftists are gonna be a bit more clued-in as to the similarities, the onllne landscape had several sea changes both in subcultures and websites, mainstream attitude toward LGBT issues has significantly evolved, the film industry is in a completely different place now, etc. You could say all of this is a bit superficial and some things don't change but that would be true of previous decades too.

If there's a difference it's more that change feels less influenced by youth culture and individual artists, with corporations dictating from on high and internet culture sort of providing an impotent greek chorus to the whole thing - but that's an evolution in itself.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

YaketySass posted:

I feel like how similar the two last decades have been is a bit oversold. The Bush, Obama and Trump eras were very differently experienced for obvious reasons even if leftists are gonna be a bit more clued-in as to the similarities, the onllne landscape had several sea changes both in subcultures and websites, mainstream attitude toward LGBT issues has significantly evolved, the film industry is in a completely different place now, etc. You could say all of this is a bit superficial and some things don't change but that would be true of previous decades too.

If there's a difference it's more that change feels less influenced by youth culture and individual artists, with corporations dictating from on high and internet culture sort of providing an impotent greek chorus to the whole thing - but that's an evolution in itself.

On one hand it hasn't been end of history, but at the same time, I would say that the "stasis" in at least broader public culture probably should be remarked on. It isn't that society itself frozen but that institutional forces became ossified and dominate enough that stagnation had to set in eventually. Obviously, the internet itself is untamed to an extent, but it is hard not to say that public culture doesn't influences the internet as well...look at Reddit.

You could say there are perhaps subperiods that come and go, but I would argue once the "victory" of the Cold War became fully embraced by the mid- 1990s that it would in turn lead American culture heading down a certain path. (Also, you could say certain social trends that are apparent now already starting some speed by the mid-1990s.) Obviously, technology has improved as well, but even then you could argue that the trend of advancement has slowed to a degree from the Cold War since so much money that was being dumped in government R&D dropped.

The only thing is finally becoming apparent because we are now counting decades and wondering what happened.

Risutora
Dec 28, 2006

Substandard posted:

I still can't believe that they aren't even killing people on the Squid Game gameshow. What is even the point? I at least want fake deaths for every loser.

*Edit* LOL - apparently according to this variety article they did spray fake blood on the people who were eliminated.

https://variety.com/2023/tv/global/netflix-squid-game-reality-show-frozen-inhumane-welfare-1235511809/

squib game

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Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Antonymous posted:

I just watched Dazed and Confused again today and there's literally nothing interesting about the 1970s.

maybe the US recognizing China hasn't been tapped. who cares about 'nam or the hippie drug&love revolution becoming cynical hedonism, abuse, and a slimy underworld. The 70s are now closed.

nah i gotta hand it to the boomers, that's the best decade for music

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