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I would like to join this thread and ask for advice on dozens of EDH deck I am constantly working on. First up is a bog standard Miirym dragons deck. I want it to be as good as it can be while staying on theme as a purely dragon tribal deck. What am I missing? What will get me more dragons out faster?
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Feb 8, 2023 21:06
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Cut all the enchantments except Dragon Tempest and the token doublers, add Reflections of Littjara and more 2 mana rocks in their place Edit: some rituals would be good too, like seething song, mana geyser, jeskas will and irencrag feat Edit 2: comedy option dockside extortionist Silhouette fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Feb 8, 2023 |
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Feb 8, 2023 21:22
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I haven't played EDH in a long while and I got rid of most of my cards because I burnt out on anything competitive years ago. But I'd like to get back in at like a casual level and shoot the poo poo with people. I got a precon (Prosper from the D&D set), but down the line, what's something that won't break the bank to build? My favorite colors are BUG (open to others though), I'm not big on really focused grave gimmicks like Muldrotha, and I like "mean poo poo" and enchantments. Previous favorite commanders have been Talrand, Sky Summoner; Damia, Sage of Stone, and Nath of the Gilt-Leaf.
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Feb 8, 2023 21:32
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WerrWaaa posted:I would like to join this thread and ask for advice on dozens of EDH deck I am constantly working on. First up is a bog standard Miirym dragons deck. I want it to be as good as it can be while staying on theme as a purely dragon tribal deck. What am I missing? What will get me more dragons out faster? https://scryfall.com/card/ons/306/cryptic-gateway
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Feb 8, 2023 22:16
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Nehru the Damaja posted:what's something that won't break the bank to build? My favorite colors are BUG (open to others though), I'm not big on really focused grave gimmicks like Muldrotha, and I like "mean poo poo" and enchantments. Tatsunari, Toad Rider
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Feb 8, 2023 23:19
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I haven't played EDH in a long while and I got rid of most of my cards because I burnt out on anything competitive years ago. But I'd like to get back in at like a casual level and shoot the poo poo with people. I got a precon (Prosper from the D&D set), but down the line, what's something that won't break the bank to build? My favorite colors are BUG (open to others though), I'm not big on really focused grave gimmicks like Muldrotha, and I like "mean poo poo" and enchantments. Previous favorite commanders have been Talrand, Sky Summoner; Damia, Sage of Stone, and Nath of the Gilt-Leaf. Prosper is actually one of the best precons to come out in years out of the box and he builds to various power levels easily. For BUG I’d definitely just go infect/poison if you don’t want to do yard shenanigans. There’s also a weird BUG land stax build you can do, or maybe a racist deck like horrors or something? There’s good green and black partner elves too.
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Feb 8, 2023 23:50
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Nehru the Damaja posted:what's something that won't break the bank to build? My favorite colors are BUG (open to others though), I'm not big on really focused grave gimmicks like Muldrotha, and I like "mean poo poo" and enchantments. Previous favorite commanders have been Talrand, Sky Summoner; Damia, Sage of Stone, and Nath of the Gilt-Leaf. He really just wins the game all on his own while you overrun the world with slugs.
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Feb 8, 2023 23:55
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Also, you know what else won't break the bank? That's right, proxies. If you just follow my affiliate link... Seriously, though, if you're just gonna play with friends or your LGS is cool, proxy up a bunch of decks for a fourth of the price of one. I think I got 504 proxy cards for $160 (shipping and taxes included) and I got cards printed on both sides so it was a total of ten decks. That's 10 cents per card! E: Wizards will sell your their own proxies but they're $250 for 15, they're random, and from a very limited selection.
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Feb 8, 2023 23:58
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I just ordered 5 proxy decks and 1 proxy pack of mardu mana staples, think I can chill for a bit. I say that even though I'm brewing a budgetish Zeriam griffin tribal deck right now.
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Feb 9, 2023 00:36
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TheLawinator posted:I just ordered 5 proxy decks and 1 proxy pack of mardu mana staples, think I can chill for a bit. I say that even though I'm brewing a budgetish Zeriam griffin tribal deck right now. I await your post next week where you gave in and ordered five more decks.
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Feb 9, 2023 00:44
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Myrkul looks fun as hell. Is it exceptionally pricy to put together?
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Feb 9, 2023 02:31
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I really want to order 10 decks double-sided, but I can't shake the knowledge that I will immediately want to tinker with them and if I change one card well now I can no longer flip the cards around and have a different deck.
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Feb 9, 2023 03:35
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Serf posted:I really want to order 10 decks double-sided, but I can't shake the knowledge that I will immediately want to tinker with them and if I change one card well now I can no longer flip the cards around and have a different deck. Just put lands and staples on the "back" of things imo if you're doing the back thing, rather than actual decks.
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Feb 9, 2023 03:36
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Myrkul looks fun as hell. Is it exceptionally pricy to put together? It depends on how hard you wanna go. A lot of the cute tricks are rather inexpensive but the hardcore legends like avacyn and elesh norm are pricey.
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Feb 9, 2023 03:40
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Lmao https://youtube.com/shorts/V7cNXlIvUlg?feature=share
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Feb 10, 2023 18:30
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I haven't played EDH in a long while and I got rid of most of my cards because I burnt out on anything competitive years ago. But I'd like to get back in at like a casual level and shoot the poo poo with people. I got a precon (Prosper from the D&D set), but down the line, what's something that won't break the bank to build? My favorite colors are BUG (open to others though), I'm not big on really focused grave gimmicks like Muldrotha, and I like "mean poo poo" and enchantments. Previous favorite commanders have been Talrand, Sky Summoner; Damia, Sage of Stone, and Nath of the Gilt-Leaf. If you liked Talrand, give Ovika, Enigma Goliath a shot. It's a legendary from the latest set and is like if Talrand was actually good again, plus you get access to all of the fun red synergies with it, like damage multipliers, poo poo like Cavalcade of Calamity/Raid Bombardment, Impact Tremors and sac for damage outlets like Goblin Bombardment and Makeshift Munitions. You could probably build a sweet casual Ovika deck pretty cheap, since most of the cards I mentioned are under a buck iirc Edit: also you get access to even more token producers that trigger on instants/sorceries or even just non-creature spells like Young Pyromancer, Saheeli, Sublime Artificer, Third Path Iconoclast, Murmuring Mystic and even Talrand. The Locust God would even fit the deck if you decide to run a bunch of card draw spells. Silhouette fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Feb 10, 2023 |
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Feb 10, 2023 19:29
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I made a bunch of high res proxies for a tawnos, the toymaker deck using midjourney. Each card type loosely follows a theme vaguely related to toys or blueprints, made a bunch of extra cards for tinkering this project took way longer than I thought it would but you can check out my finished project here: https://imgur.com/a/YomIDfH
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Feb 11, 2023 19:54
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bird. posted:I made a bunch of high res proxies for a tawnos, the toymaker deck using midjourney. Each card type loosely follows a theme vaguely related to toys or blueprints, made a bunch of extra cards for tinkering this project took way longer than I thought it would but you can check out my finished project here: You expect me to believe a bird made all of these?
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Feb 11, 2023 19:58
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Batterypowered7 posted:You expect me to believe a bird made all of these? a bird and a copy of a bird that is an artifact in addition to its other types
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Feb 11, 2023 20:29
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bird. posted:a bird and a copy of a bird that is an artifact in addition to its other types  Those are really good looking, nice work Silhouette posted:Edit: also you get access to even more token producers that trigger on instants/sorceries or even just non-creature spells like Young Pyromancer, Saheeli, Sublime Artificer, Third Path Iconoclast, Murmuring Mystic and even Talrand. The Locust God would even fit the deck if you decide to run a bunch of card draw spells. Shark Typhoon, Metallurgic Summonings are two good and harder-to-interact-with-than-creatures options, although ST is pretty pricey for a budget deck.
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Feb 12, 2023 10:12
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Could an enchantment focused deck be viable at cEDH? My meta is focused on Turbonas, Thoricle, and Breach Combo decks. My Edric Turns is usually enough to take a game to turns but if that happens we tie out more then anything. Just thinking of the Melissa DeTora deck from an Early Game Knights episode and how quickly it could ramp up and take over a “fair” game. Just not sure if there is enough there since SOI / EMN standard to support an Enchantment cEDH deck.
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Feb 12, 2023 17:41
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Nystral posted:Could an enchantment focused deck be viable at cEDH? I think Playing with Power has had someone play Go-Shintai https://youtu.be/n--wT7PoO3A https://youtu.be/v86dq0YJJ5c
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Feb 12, 2023 18:16
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What breaks if literally any card can be commander, including noncreature spells or even lands.
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Feb 12, 2023 18:51
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Khanstant posted:What breaks if literally any card can be commander, including noncreature spells or even lands. It makes the game orders of magnitude more optimizable and therefore boring, imo
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Feb 12, 2023 18:57
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So I have this basterdized version of the cEDH Tivit artifact deck that I have slowly been getting cards on the cheap from a store closing sale, cardsphere and random sales. Which is great because I've gotten some stronger cards but now cuts need to be made. The biggest weakness at the moment is that the deck can fall into a draw go for up to the first 7 turns. I recently added rhystic remora and esper sentinel but I'm wondering if I should just add some generic draw X cards Possible cuts Ovalchase daredevil/underworld cookbook - The original idea for this deck was to play this with academy manufacturer but the stars really need to align for it to happen. I can get the cook book with Urza's saga but need to naturally draw both the daredevil and manufacturer. This is the first logical cut (and then making an asmo deck) but it hurts to do. Drafna - Haven't drawn him in a game yet but I think he's going to be too slow and there aren't enough ETB to really abuse until I have enough mana to start doubling things. Kinda interesting though. T3feri - A recent pickup along with displacer kitten but those 2 probably fit better in my dungeon crawler flicker deck if I want to keep the heavy artifact theme. 34 lands - I think without more of the super fast artifact mana this is the minimum land count. When the count was 30-32 there were just too many opening hands that were unplayable. Thoughts? MasterBuilder fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Feb 13, 2023 |
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Feb 13, 2023 02:38
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What is your desired win condition?
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Feb 13, 2023 03:43
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LanceKing2200 posted:What is your desired win condition? A Time Sieve combo deck as Tivit's trigger creates five artifact tokens.
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Feb 13, 2023 03:50
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:A Time Sieve combo deck as Tivit's trigger creates five artifact tokens. Right but if the whole point is just to time sieve off you need more support than just Tivit itself. You need either ways of making Tivit unlockable (since you need to deal combat damage to trigger a vote) or you need to be able to flicker it every turn. I don't see either of those in here.
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Feb 13, 2023 03:53
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Generally there is at least one player without a flier or I can use a removal spell to clear the way. But that's where academy manufacturer helps to get all three tokens regardless of the vote. Or if I'm desperate I can start saccing non-token artifacts but generally I just hold off. I do see how displacer kitten would help flicker tivit if push came to shove.
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Doesn't the deck also run the typical Thoracle win condition? E: I see you said it's a bastardized version. Nvm
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Feb 13, 2023 04:55
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MasterBuilder posted:Generally there is at least one player without a flier or I can use a removal spell to clear the way. But that's where academy manufacturer helps to get all three tokens regardless of the vote. Or if I'm desperate I can start saccing non-token artifacts but generally I just hold off. The problem in my experience is that even if there's one opponent you can get in on, you only have "infinite turns" until they die, at which point if you haven't drawn a way to create a new target, you're out of gas. Even with AM you're still on the clock to find a way in on your remaining opponents, and even worse once one opponent is dead you're getting less tokens per swing. Something as simple as Deadeye Navigator or Trailblazer's Boots can turn "kinda infinite" into " I 100% win if no one has removal".
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Feb 13, 2023 05:16
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LanceKing2200 posted:The problem in my experience is that even if there's one opponent you can get in on, you only have "infinite turns" until they die, at which point if you haven't drawn a way to create a new target, you're out of gas. Even with AM you're still on the clock to find a way in on your remaining opponents, and even worse once one opponent is dead you're getting less tokens per swing. Right. Actually this has reminded me that I was going to add Team pendant (shadowspear's cheap trample friend) as another searchable target from Urza's saga to deal with this exact situation.
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Feb 13, 2023 06:23
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Nystral posted:Could an enchantment focused deck be viable at cEDH? Breach is an enchantment? But if you're talking like an enchantress style deck, it really struggles. You really have to draw the right combination of ramp and enchantresses at the right time or it kind of stalls out. If you're going to do it it's probably stax.
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MasterBuilder posted:So I have this basterdized version of the cEDH Tivit artifact deck that I have slowly been getting cards on the cheap from a store closing sale, cardsphere and random sales. Which is great because I've gotten some stronger cards but now cuts need to be made. The biggest weakness at the moment is that the deck can fall into a draw go for up to the first 7 turns. I recently added rhystic remora and esper sentinel but I'm wondering if I should just add some generic draw X cards If I was building Tivit, it would look a little more like this, just to give you an idea: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/w6KZNPI2cEuKy8SEydCa1w Honestly, the only things I really cut for $$$ are fetches/duals/otawara/0cc rocks/demonic/vampiric/urza. Toshimo fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Feb 13, 2023 |
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Feb 13, 2023 10:13
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Raven Man looks cheap and fun. Does it actually want the Megrim effects though? I can't help but think something more decisive should take their place, especially since recurring minor annoyance cards imo draw disproportionate ire at a table.
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Feb 14, 2023 10:14
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Discard strategies turn the game into a slog, imo. Like, unless you're killing the table with Tinybones activations or something, everyone else is just sitting there topdecking while you slowly put something together.
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Feb 14, 2023 13:26
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Batterypowered7 posted:Discard strategies turn the game into a slog, imo. Like, unless you're killing the table with Tinybones activations or something, everyone else is just sitting there topdecking while you slowly put something together. At the first Commander Party event I went to my pod had a discard deck in it and we all sat there not playing magic for two hours waiting for him to combo out. It was the most unfun game I have ever played.
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Feb 14, 2023 13:45
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WerrWaaa posted:At the first Commander Party event I went to my pod had a discard deck in it and we all sat there not playing magic for two hours waiting for him to combo out. It was the most unfun game I have ever played. And it's not like you can even prevent it from happening by killing the Commander on sight or something. The whole drat deck is built around that gameplan, so everyone's gotta strap in for a lovely time. I totally agree with the posters ITT that say that if you're gonna play stax or a similar strategy, to make sure you have a way to win quickly.
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Feb 14, 2023 14:29
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Batterypowered7 posted:Discard strategies turn the game into a slog, imo. Like, unless you're killing the table with Tinybones activations or something, everyone else is just sitting there topdecking while you slowly put something together. If you're running say a commander like Kroxa, and then running discard and sacrifice effects, that's basically a stax deck. You can often grind that out but people kind of hate it. Raven man, Tinybones, Waste Not, Tergrid, Rankle, Asylum Vistor, Quest for the Nihil Stone, conspiracy theorist, containment construct, glint-horn buccaneer, Ob Nixilis, stuff like that. There are plenty of ways to build a grindy attrition deck that robs people of their hand and punishes them for having no hand. But people will preferentially blow up your stuff once they know what your deck does.
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Mass discard is like mass land destruction in that it punishes the player that's behind just as much as the player that's ahead. And if the discard player game plan gets interrupted right before they start to go off the game devolves into top deck wars.
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