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Starting Alpharius while I wait for Abnett's siege on my senses WH community collectively holding their breath
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DaysBefore posted:He's Curze without the cool human skin leather aesthetic. Corax is whatever. Getting knocked out of the fight so early probably didn't help. The Isstvaan legions get it pretty rough, if only because of how much GW stretched the post-Isstvaan plotlines
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Feb 7, 2023 18:49
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Dog_Meat posted:See, this is something else that annoys me with the HH. There are references to "heretical" actions by characters that shouldn't be thinking that way. And it's not just the low tier writers. I remember Abnett doing it in Legion It's kind of the inverse of a thing early in the series where people come across a temple and it's this strange, wondrous thing they don't quite understand, and that's cool, but then they're sometimes lile WHAT IS THIS "RELOBGION" THING and then it's a little bit stupid. and I thought the exact same thing in that scene you mentioned.
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Feb 7, 2023 18:55
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Improbable Lobster posted:The Isstvaan legions get it pretty rough, if only because of how much GW stretched the post-Isstvaan plotlines This. All old lore I found has Vulkan and Corax basically being missing/marginal during 90% of the Heresy. If the books had been a lean, mean storyline, easy, you can just have them being chased by rebels, trying to piece together enough resources to get to Terra or even warp-lost for a bit. But since it became a slog in which every Primarch needed their own guitar solo and 1-3 duels with another primarch, yeah turned into a bad case or "Umm, we need to come up with SOME reason this guy wasn't in the Sol system ". Worst book of the HH I read was Ruinstorm, which was just....bad all around. I didn't care for Saturnine, but some important stuff is revealed there. Ruinstorm is just dumb and hollow. Mortis was almost as bad.
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Feb 7, 2023 20:44
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Some books are just dull, not very good, but for me I think the biggest HH slog was The Buried Dagger.
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Feb 7, 2023 20:54
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I tried to stick mostly to the best/most critical books of the Heresy, and I'm glad you all just discussed Corax and what he was up to because I forgot he even existed and had no idea where he was. The only book I read where I remember him appearing was maybe First Heretic in the Isstvan battle? I've thought about Ferrus Manus very little, but way more than I've thought of Corax.Sephyr posted:Worst book of the HH I read was Ruinstorm, which was just....bad all around. I didn't care for Saturnine, but some important stuff is revealed there. Ruinstorm is just dumb and hollow. Mortis was almost as bad. I read Ruinstorm because it felt necessary to link the previous plot threads into the siege, but it made me take a break from reading the series after slogging through it.
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Feb 8, 2023 02:11
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Just finished the new Angron book. It was excellent. One of the best portrayals of the World Eaters right up there with Betrayer. Highly recommend.
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Feb 8, 2023 08:20
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Deliverance Lost wasn't very good at all but there was a small point that made it worth my time that I've posted about before I think. The gene tech mentioned is located and Alpha Legion guys disguised as Raven Guard get the signal to mask off and start daggering people in the back. One bodies a RG by kicking the back of his knee and tears out his throat with a combat knife while he's down on said knee. Another deadpan tells a RG "Take this." and gently tosses up a primed grenade. Takes the RG a moment to realize what just happened and gets shredded by the frag. There should be a stealth Alpha Legion story where it's straight forward bolter porn or something not even with space marines in it that suddenly has Alpha Legion astartes and agents mask off to wreck poo poo and complete an objective for themselves. Bonus points for dooming the protags in the main plot for something on the periphery and especially if it's something no one was even aware of that never gets explained beyond "nah we don't care about anything going on here, youre all just in the way."
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Feb 8, 2023 15:48
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Still listening to Watchers of the Throne and I was wondering how the game and BL interact. Did they add the custodes etc into the game before the books or is it the other way round? I'm guessing the game is the "source of truth" that the books have to work around.
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Feb 8, 2023 16:09
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MariusLecter posted:There should be a stealth Alpha Legion story where it's straight forward bolter porn or something not even with space marines in it that suddenly has Alpha Legion astartes and agents mask off to wreck poo poo and complete an objective for themselves. Bonus points for dooming the protags in the main plot for something on the periphery and especially if it's something no one was even aware of that never gets explained beyond "nah we don't care about anything going on here, youre all just in the way." Alpha Legion operative deep in imp space would be a great premise for a sort of freeform action shooter with light RPG elements, almost in the style of Alpha Protocol. Huh, serendipitous.
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Feb 8, 2023 16:13
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Black Griffon posted:Alpha Legion operative deep in imp space would be a great premise for a sort of freeform action shooter with light RPG elements, almost in the style of Alpha Protocol. Huh, serendipitous. Or Hitman
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Feb 8, 2023 17:32
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I think Hitman would be a perfect Officio Assassinorum game. The shapeshifting even maps to switching outfits, it’s perfect.
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Feb 8, 2023 17:38
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Yeah. No joke; I've been thinking about a 40k game in the style of hitman a lot since the latest Hitman update dropped. I think it'd need combat a little less stilted than what IOI does, but man it would be good.
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Feb 8, 2023 17:43
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Black Griffon posted:Yeah. No joke; I've been thinking about a 40k game in the style of hitman a lot since the latest Hitman update dropped. I think it'd need combat a little less stilted than what IOI does, but man it would be good. You S-rank as an Eversor if you trip every alarm and everything in the map is dead.
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Feb 8, 2023 17:53
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Chas McGill posted:Still listening to Watchers of the Throne and I was wondering how the game and BL interact. Did they add the custodes etc into the game before the books or is it the other way round? I'm guessing the game is the "source of truth" that the books have to work around.
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Feb 8, 2023 17:53
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actual first party minis since 2014 only tho, so watchers of the throne was to sell 8th ed 2017 minis
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Feb 8, 2023 17:55
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the signature market innovation of gw for 40k as a wargame is to have The Default Dudes be elites so peeps can get into the hobby without being maniacal painters. guard and nids are for grognards. seen in that lens, the custodians are just doubling down on that for noobs and peeps who have lives. henry cavill has an actual life which is almost certainly part of why he paints the shinies the true source of truth is the wargame figurines market, unfortunately bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Feb 8, 2023 |
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Feb 8, 2023 17:58
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0konner posted:Or Hitman Literally wanted to use the example of a Hitman level where you say gently caress it and go guns blazing. But I didn't want you all to think I'm a nerd. Z the IVth posted:You S-rank as an Eversor if you trip every alarm and everything in the map is dead. Hotline Miami.
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Feb 8, 2023 19:36
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No nerds here in the Black Library thread. None at all.
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Feb 8, 2023 19:38
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Dog_Meat posted:See, this is something else that annoys me with the HH. There are references to "heretical" actions by characters that shouldn't be thinking that way. And it's not just the low tier writers. I remember Abnett doing it in Legion Guilliman actually goes through why the Warp stuff is 'heretical' even to someone who's an atheist in ...I think unremembered empire. It's not a great line of reasoning or whatever but it's there
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Feb 8, 2023 19:43
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If you use the secondary definition of "holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted" then people going against the Imperial Truth were heretical. The original 30k era worshippers of the Emperor were heretics in that sense, and in the context of the 40k era Imperial Cult, the Emperor was a heretic. There's a great little excerpt about this in one of the Eisenhorn short stories by Abnett which are set inbetween Ravenor and Bequin, The Keeler Image: It was said the notes were revelatory. That they showed, in Keeler’s own, authenticated script, that she considered Horus a man, not a transformed, daemonic being. Further, they related that it had been commonly known at the time that the Emperor denied his divinity. He had formally declared that he was not a god, and sought to suppress the notion that he was. The Lectitio Divinitatus was already growing back then. The notes showed that the Emperor wanted it proscribed and forbidden. They showed that the Emperor did not believe himself to be a god. Keeler and her companion saints had created the foundation of Imperial faith against the Emperor’s express wishes. That was a different kind of heresy, and I wasn’t sure if the heretic was Keeler or, somehow, the Emperor himself. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Feb 8, 2023 |
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Feb 8, 2023 19:53
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I figured the way to try to explain it as a writer is that people were using the term Heresy and Heretic as a dramatic irony prior to the 40k setting. Writers like doing that kind of thing right?
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Feb 8, 2023 19:57
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Emperor's loving throne, Dan, I'm listening to this at work with far from my full attention span!
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Feb 8, 2023 21:35
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Brendan Rodgers posted:If you use the secondary definition of "holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted" then people going against the Imperial Truth were heretical. The original 30k era worshippers of the Emperor were heretics in that sense, and in the context of the 40k era Imperial Cult, the Emperor was a heretic. There's a great little excerpt about this in one of the Eisenhorn short stories by Abnett which are set inbetween Ravenor and Bequin, The Keeler Image: Thats it, hook up big E into a penitent engine
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Feb 8, 2023 21:39
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Arquinsiel posted:Scabs is one, and they're still selling a fleshtone named after them so... Thats the funny part tho. That their pristine State of Nature is a literal sump pump makes it a deconstruction if the usual Noble Savage tripe..
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Feb 8, 2023 21:51
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Black Griffon posted:Emperor's loving throne, Dan, I'm listening to this at work with far from my full attention span! Lol, enjoy! It's a great book.
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Feb 8, 2023 23:38
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Mikojan posted:Thats it, hook up big E into a penitent engine
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Feb 8, 2023 23:46
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note that the total workings of the throne is a significant fraction of the volume of the planet
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bob dobbs is dead posted:note that the total workings of the throne is a significant fraction of the volume of the planet
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SardonicTyrant posted:Ah so the boss is the whole level, got it. That's why they call it the hollow mountain, right?
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Feb 9, 2023 00:39
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thats the astronomican, if you were being serious
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MariusLecter posted:That's why they call it the hollow mountain, right? That's the Astronomicon. When you storm it, the thousands of psykers strapped to the inside of Mt Everest shoot at you in a psychedelic Bullet Hell.
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Feb 9, 2023 01:05
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Black Griffon posted:Yeah. No joke; I've been thinking about a 40k game in the style of hitman a lot since the latest Hitman update dropped. I think it'd need combat a little less stilted than what IOI does, but man it would be good. ist just giant astartes disguesing themselves as like random pilgrims and sisters of battles and etc and no one bats an eye. "why sister aberline, you grown so tall and white and bald'.
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Feb 9, 2023 01:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:ist just giant astartes disguesing themselves as like random pilgrims and sisters of battles and etc and no one bats an eye. "why sister aberline, you grown so tall and white and bald'. Bring in the same voice actor as 47 and have him deliver the lines just as dryly.
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Feb 9, 2023 01:36
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SardonicTyrant posted:Abadon is walking up the steps to the throne, there is a lot of rumbling and the throne turns into a giant penitent engine. Collective Unconscious starts playing. Holy poo poo I could immediately hear it
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Mikojan posted:Thats it, hook up big E into a penitent engine Feed some Ork Weirdboyz into the Astronomicon already, you cowards!
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Feb 9, 2023 11:16
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Dog_Meat posted:Feed some Ork Weirdboyz into the Astronomicon already, you cowards! This brings up an interesting point. Do the Black Ships do genetic screening? Have they accidentally fed any Genestealer Hybrids into the engine, turning it briefly into one of those bug-zapper lights?
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Feb 9, 2023 11:35
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Black Griffon posted:Bring in the same voice actor as 47 and have him deliver the lines just as dryly. i kinda picture alpharius/omigon/etc sounding like that.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:This brings up an interesting point. Do the Black Ships do genetic screening? Have they accidentally fed any Genestealer Hybrids into the engine, turning it briefly into one of those bug-zapper lights? That mental image got an audible chortle out of me.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:This brings up an interesting point. Do the Black Ships do genetic screening? Have they accidentally fed any Genestealer Hybrids into the engine, turning it briefly into one of those bug-zapper lights? Is the psyker glowing Is the psyker levitating When the psyker talks how many voices are heard Does the psyker possess any marks as shown in form 4-1 (if you have viewed 4-1 w/o authorization hand this pad to am authorized person then terminate yourself) On a scale from 1 to 5 what is the psyker's level of pain? After reciting the Catechism Against The Warp? Is your chronometer functioning in the psyker's presence?
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