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Wizards: You didn't upset us, we just felt like crying right now.
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Feb 9, 2023 02:19
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Yeah, there was some reporting around that time due to people scraping the store servers that there was a substantial amount of unsold stock when they 'sold out'.
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Feb 9, 2023 02:28
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Kurieg posted:Yeah, there was some reporting around that time due to people scraping the store servers that there was a substantial amount of unsold stock when they 'sold out'. They also, very tellingly never actually said they "sold out". Which you'd think they'd be trumpeting full blast if it had sold out, but instead they used different, less natural, more neutral language.
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Feb 9, 2023 03:14
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sold out no no no... sold? out!
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Feb 9, 2023 03:16
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I hope the Magic 30th Anniversary and OGL PR responses from WotC are a sign that their internal corporate policy is to respond to every disaster like a C-Tier shonen bully character the main guy beats soundly in like the third episode who hangs around and insists they didn't actually lose and are preparing to rematch at any moment for the rest of the story.
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Feb 9, 2023 05:48
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I feel like I'm in Bizzaro World where I have to be the one agreeing with Leperflesh: The amount of mental gymnastics you need to jump through to think they got cold feet and pulled the sale after half an hour is extraordinary to the point of absurdity. They aren't a small, indie company: that decision was made before the product ever went up. And, yes, they gave almost all of it away, between the runs given to game stores for free (which was part of the initial marketing that all the shitfit-throwers always neglected to read), but also at all the 30th Anniversary events, starting with M30 in Vegas. The fact that people point out that 70%+ of the product was given away and that they deliberately pulled it early, without ever coming to the obvious conclusion that That Was The loving Point, is excruciating to watch, but the lack of moderation here causing the MtG thread to be a constant rancid shitshow, has turned this into a very reap-what-you-sow moment, so I've mixed feelings on how this has played out. The previous BofA findings were rapidly debunked on a number of levels, even by people who had no vested interest in defending WotC, so taking anything that they say at this point at face value is just feeding the Internet Hate Machine while making yourself look like a rube, so I guess, you do you. As always, WotC has done enough loving up for any 10 companies, so idk maybe don't look like a goober by making GBS threads up the thread over fake bullshit and just call them out on their actual problematic poo poo, it would be a lot easier.
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Feb 9, 2023 06:10
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Ah I see, so WotC wasn't stupid in this one way, they were stupid in a nigh-indistinguishable other way instead.
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Feb 9, 2023 06:14
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I think it's OK if not everyone understands the full details of this particular shameful episode in WotC history, or understands them differently and would like clarification
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Feb 9, 2023 06:15
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Name Change posted:I think it's OK if not everyone understands the full details of this particular shameful episode in WotC history, or understands them differently and would like clarification It wouldn't be so bad if the same posters who are the loudest and most inflammatory about it here weren't the same ones who are posting authoritatively while being demonstrably and easily proven wrong, and most of whom have been corrected multiple times in the MtG thread, already. How do you think he got that redtext, anyway?
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Feb 9, 2023 06:17
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Toshimo posted:How do you think he got that redtext, anyway? Because thin-skinned nerds also happen to be bad with money would be my first guess.
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Feb 9, 2023 06:24
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Nuns with Guns posted:I hope the Magic 30th Anniversary and OGL PR responses from WotC are a sign that their internal corporate policy is to respond to every disaster like a C-Tier shonen bully character the main guy beats soundly in like the third episode who hangs around and insists they didn't actually lose and are preparing to rematch at any moment for the rest of the story. Wizards dropping the 5E rules on Creative Commons is Ultra Ego in this analogy, because they did a big dumb power move that's only opening them up for more asskickings.
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Feb 9, 2023 06:38
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If only they had the naming sensibilitires of a man who spent half a storyline calling himself "Super Vegeta" unironically
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Feb 9, 2023 07:59
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The other Wizards defender has logged on.Toshimo posted:And, yes, they gave almost all of it away, between the runs given to game stores for free (which was part of the initial marketing that all the shitfit-throwers always neglected to read) Toshimo posted:The fact that people point out that 70%+ of the product was given away In all seriousness, what supports this claim? Unlike the OGL, I have not even seen Wizards or anyone else claim benevolence in the 30A scandal. If they had, I think it's reasonable to believe people would have made something out of it because we both accept that social media and content creators were not being shy about this. (Consider the mockery of the They won—and so did we statement.) If you have anything to support that, then let's see it. I'm not doing the work this time.
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Feb 9, 2023 10:16
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Yeah I literally have heard nothing claiming that 70% of the 30th packs were giveaways and it also doesn't change the fact that they actively advertised it as a $1000 pack before release
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Feb 9, 2023 14:37
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Toshimo posted:I feel like I'm in Bizzaro World where I have to be the one agreeing with Leperflesh: The amount of mental gymnastics you need to jump through to think they got cold feet and pulled the sale after half an hour is extraordinary to the point of absurdity. They aren't a small, indie company: that decision was made before the product ever went up. MadScientistWorking fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Feb 9, 2023 |
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Feb 9, 2023 14:53
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what what does it even mean YggdrasilTM fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Feb 9, 2023 |
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Feb 9, 2023 14:54
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YggdrasilTM posted:what
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Feb 9, 2023 15:04
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Okay I looked it up. These there's only six cards that can be in in phyrexian text. And judges are specifically instructed to inform players they can ask for the rules text in English at any time before the draft starts.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:10
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The Bee posted:Wizards dropping the 5E rules on Creative Commons is Ultra Ego in this analogy, because they did a big dumb power move that's only opening them up for more asskickings. Smartest thing they did in the whole debacle. Now third parties can be compatible with the market leader using a completely permissive license or they can build on the #2 game using a license that forces virality. Look up the trend away from the GPL in open source games.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:20
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Thanlis posted:Smartest thing they did in the whole debacle. Now third parties can be compatible with the market leader using a completely permissive license or they can build on the #2 game using a license that forces virality. Look up the trend away from the GPL in open source games.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:40
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Warthur posted:Who's to say the ORC will force virality? OGL 1.0a doesn't, you've always been completely free under that to declare all the stuff you contribute product identity or otherwise refrain from making it open content. There’s a specific list of things that can be product identity; you can’t declare anything you want as PI. Yes, I know people ignore that all the time. But sure, the ORC might not force virality, in which case what’s going to make it preferable to a Creative Commons license?
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Feb 9, 2023 16:05
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What is most amazing to me is that enough people still play MtG that it can support WotC. I must lead a blessed life.
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Feb 9, 2023 16:22
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:What is most amazing to me is that enough people still play MtG that it can support WotC. I must lead a blessed life. It is still their core business, well in front of D&D. I don't pay a lot of attention to MTG but it was funny when I still went to my FLGS and we had to shoo all the Magic players (or more often, people compiling and sending endless international mail orders for the business) out so we could do a night of D&D. It was gonna be either MTG or depending on the size of the store, Yu-Gi-Oh. This was mid-2010s and I haven't really gotten back into gaming since the pandemic, so maybe it's changed, but I somehow doubt it.
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Feb 9, 2023 16:35
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All the board game spaces in my area (I'm blessed to have four or five) are pivoting to being nerd "event" spaces. I'm sure they still make oodles from Magic, but I don't think the threat is "WotC being greedy", it's "Amazon". So they're offering something Amazon can't - a place that you go to play your game at with like-minded nerds. Less and less inventory, more and more like a bar that assumes you're going to take up a huge table for five hours. They seem to be thriving? Huge remodels, etc.
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Feb 9, 2023 16:54
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CitizenKeen posted:All the board game spaces in my area (I'm blessed to have four or five) are pivoting to being nerd "event" spaces. I'm sure they still make oodles from Magic, but I don't think the threat is "WotC being greedy", it's "Amazon". So they're offering something Amazon can't - a place that you go to play your game at with like-minded nerds. Less and less inventory, more and more like a bar that assumes you're going to take up a huge table for five hours. Oh yeah that was kinda coming into vogue too.
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Feb 9, 2023 17:00
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The stat that blows my mind as to how much of a rounding-error D&D is to WotC/Hasbro is that in Hasbro's game division, Jenga makes more than D&D y-o-y. Like, not Hasbro's entire retail game division (Monopoly and Risk, etc), but just Jenga is a bigger moneymaker than all of D&D
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Feb 9, 2023 17:11
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It's cause people keep losing Jenga blocks under the couch after the tower falls over and they have to rebuy the whole game. D&D should lean into that and make you buy a new PHB if you ever misplace your charact sheet or mini.
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Feb 9, 2023 17:15
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Nah, it's those giant Jenga sets they sell to barcades.
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Feb 9, 2023 17:49
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Obviously all of the Jenga sets are going to people playing Dread
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Feb 9, 2023 17:49
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Name Change posted:This was mid-2010s and I haven't really gotten back into gaming since the pandemic, so maybe it's changed, but I somehow doubt it. Nah. My FLGS is one of the biggest in the south and whenever there's a big Magic thing it's packed out.
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Feb 9, 2023 18:54
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Thanlis posted:There’s a specific list of things that can be product identity; you can’t declare anything you want as PI. Yes, I know people ignore that all the time. quote:Name: Raven Shadowweaver quote:Serial Killer Statblock: You don't leave anything you didn't mean to inside there, before releasing your SRD into the Creative Commons. Wizards released the name Count Strahd von Zarovich, who is a vampire, into the Creative Commons. I don't think that everybody got so mad about the attempted revocation of the OGL just because it hosed their business, but also because there is a genuine desire to share one's ideas and let them make the game(s) as a whole better. A decent amount of open gaming content was stuff that absolutely 100% was copyrightable; Freeport was declared OGC, for example.
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Feb 9, 2023 19:17
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Shrecknet posted:The stat that blows my mind as to how much of a rounding-error D&D is to WotC/Hasbro is that in Hasbro's game division, Jenga makes more than D&D y-o-y. Yo, is that true? I did a cursory google search and couldn't find anything one way or the other. It certainly sounds believable. My household goes through at least two Jenga towers a week.
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Feb 9, 2023 19:59
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Food $200 Data $150 Rent $800 Jenga towers $3,600 Utility $150 someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying
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Feb 9, 2023 20:12
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Buy more D&D.
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Feb 9, 2023 20:15
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Feb 9, 2023 20:19
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Magnetic North posted:Yo, is that true? I did a cursory google search and couldn't find anything one way or the other.
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Feb 9, 2023 21:16
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Cycloneman posted:I don't think it is actually true - Hasbro Gaming made $137M in Q2 2020, thanks in part to growth in Jenga (but also Mouse Trap, Connect4, and Twister, and presumably other things that weren't growing). For comparison, D&D was estimated to earn ~$100-150M in 2021. So basically D&D makes ~25% of all Hasbro's games put together, and I doubt Jenga does.
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Feb 9, 2023 21:52
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Terrible Opinions posted:Hasbro's earning reports are all public and Wizards plus digital gameing overall only makes about 20% of their income on any given quarter, and that includes Mtg both paper and arena each of which make more than D&D on there own. If D&D as a brand is making a quarter of WotC's money it's in non-Wizards tie in merch. WotC makes ~20% of their revenue, but it’s significantly more profitable - the WotC segment is responsible for ~43% of Hasbro’s operating profit on that 20% of revenue.
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Feb 9, 2023 22:01
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when discussing whether companies or their divisions are "making money," keep in mind that Amazon pulls in billions in USD every year in revenue but has posted negative income several years, even recently. When you see gaudy numbers for video games and Hasbro and such, they are usually revenue numbers. also, you often don't have to guess at performance or rely on third-hand information: publicly-traded companies have to release regular financial statements, so look for "quarterly reports" or similar. The internet spaces where C-suite types go on the record (to market to investors) are one place where they're more likely to disclose anecdotes about Jenga and such.
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Feb 9, 2023 22:14
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Don't forget that big companies like amazon get huge tax breaks and manipulate their earnings to minmax their tax returns and the like
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