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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Feb 9, 2023 14:51
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V. Illych L. posted:stoltenberg was in labour youth since he was 14 and was the son of a prominent labour politician and diplomat. this is not literally implausible, though it is more likely that hersh is here confusing him with his dad quote:Today, the supreme commander of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the American hand,” the source said. This is the full quote: he is probably talking about his youth activism during the War from context. Also, "...hardliner on all things Putin and Russia" and "who had cooperated with..." are two separate thoughts, adding a comma would cause a splice. It doesn't really seem there is an issue here beyond I guess his source is suggesting he had already been co-opted as a youth which isn't implausible.
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Feb 9, 2023 14:55
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V. Illych L. posted:stoltenberg was in labour youth since he was 14 and was the son of a prominent labour politician and diplomat. this is not literally implausible, though it is more likely that hersh is here confusing him with his dad I think it is the very definition of implausible to argue that a kid who was 8 during the Tet Offensive was working with the CIA “since the Vietnam War” All implausible means is unconvincing or not being probable.
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Feb 9, 2023 14:59
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Because of the Economist podcast, I'm not longer allowed to talk about Nordstream at home, so, the thought terminating cliche thing worked. Also, did you know nobody's ever heard of Seymour Hersh, he's a conspiracy theorist and it wasn't published by a real newspaper anyway? Also, my SO has transferred to a file on another strategic resource in another part of the world, so I expect to hear all about what a national hero Chiang Kai-shek was in the next year.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:01
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it should be noted that the big foreign policy achievement during stoltenberg's term as prime minister of norway was a diplomatic border resolution of the russo-norwegian maritime border region. this was prior to libya, though, where stoltenberg was a major player on the pro-intervention camp, and prior to the complete breakdown of US-russian relations. stoltenberg has always been quite pro-american in his outlook (as has the Labour party establishment been for a long time), but there has been a real turn towards anti-russianism since he took the NATO job. at the end of the day he's not a guy with very strong convictions.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:02
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mlmp08 posted:I think it is the very definition of implausible to argue that a kid who was 8 during the Tet Offensive was working with the CIA “since the Vietnam War” ok; i should have said "incredible" instead
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Feb 9, 2023 15:03
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Feb 9, 2023 15:04
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Feb 9, 2023 15:05
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Frosted Flake posted:Because of the Economist podcast, I'm not longer allowed to talk about Nordstream at home, so, the thought terminating cliche thing worked. Also, did you know nobody's ever heard of Seymour Hersh, he's a conspiracy theorist and it wasn't published by a real newspaper anyway? gonna have to prep an OP for a Taiwan thread
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Feb 9, 2023 15:07
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 thought 1:78 might be a little small but it looks perfect
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Feb 9, 2023 15:08
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Rishi seems delighted to be in the presence of an even more wee man than himself
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Feb 9, 2023 15:09
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Cuttlefush posted:you called it. still lol at this https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3958552&pagenumber=7164&perpage=40#post526581462 I would avoid flying your Cessna solo to any important meetings for the next little while, as well as sailing in your yacht without a lifejacket and immersion suit.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:13
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Bot 02 posted:lmao at having the truth shone directly in one's face and failing to recognize it I checked to see how the other threads responded to Hersh's article. D&D immediately declared it proof that Seymour Hersh is not a credible journalist and never mentioned it again. Nobody even bothered to post it in the other thread.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:14
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Al-Saqr posted:since zelensky was in london i asked to pick me up an Ork boarding patrol from a warhammer store but he got the order wrong and got me something called Frostgrave so I screamed and threw the box on the floor stamping my feet and saying i hate you a bunch They haven't even announced an Ork Boarding Patrol set yet. They have the Ork Combat Patrol, which is what I assume you meant, but Boarding Patrols are new sets made for the Boarding Action rules in the Arks of Omen narrative books. So you asked him to get something that doesn't exist.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:18
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Everyone already had a good idea of who did it, so there's no reason to change your stance that you already committed to.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:19
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V. Illych L. posted:stoltenberg has always been quite pro-american in his outlook (as has the Labour party establishment been for a long time), but there has been a real turn towards anti-russianism since he took the NATO job. at the end of the day he's not a guy with very strong convictions. I was surprised when the article emphasized how much Norwegians hate the Russians at all levels of their rinky-dink military and government. What's that about? I mean, obviously I'm supposed to die in WW3 riding to their rescue in Tromso or Trondheim, but is there a specific reason they're so gung-ho?
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Feb 9, 2023 15:19
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One of Hersh’s claims I’ve found suspect was when he argued that Hillary Clinton is a hawk due to Jewish money and influential Jews. I think Clinton would be a hawk anyway. Hersh argues that Jews and their money turned her into a hawk. Hersh argues that there is no other explanation for Clinton being a hawk, because she’s too smart to be such a hawk without Jewish moneyed influences. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 9, 2023 15:23
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mlmp08 posted:One of Hersh’s claims I’ve found suspect was when he argued that Hillary Clinton is a hawk due to Jewish money and influential Jews. did he really say that
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Feb 9, 2023 15:25
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crepeface posted:I've been a bit busy today, how has the hersh nordstream story been received? lol
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Feb 9, 2023 15:25
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Frosted Flake posted:I was surprised when the article emphasized how much Norwegians hate the Russians at all levels of their rinky-dink military and government. What's that about? addled by the north sea. britain gets the worst of the madness being an island and all but norway isn't immune
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Feb 9, 2023 15:25
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drake no: hersh drake ya: dersh
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Feb 9, 2023 15:28
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Feb 9, 2023 15:29
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Frosted Flake posted:I was surprised when the article emphasized how much Norwegians hate the Russians at all levels of their rinky-dink military and government. What's that about? i honestly don't know. i think that after the 2010 border conference there was some kind of concerted diplomatic effort to push norway towards a harder anti-russian line which broadly succeeded. there's always been a very strong anti-russian current within the norwegian foreign policy establishment (i.e., the Labour party's right wing) but it has traditionally been balanced out by a pragmatic, detente-oriented policy responding to criticism from the anti-NATO parties, the christian democrats, the Labour left and heterodox elements of the conservatives. our main military strategist, Sverre Diesen, has a very strong pro-american line and has focussed our security policy on being a valuable enough US ally to make the americans commit to our defence (so all norwegian foreign policy since the fall of the soviet union, bar the freak 2003 refusal to join the invasion of iraq, should be interpreted in this light) and as the US-russian relationship has deteriorated so has the russo-norwegian relationship the anti-NATO line became a really difficult position to hold in public in norway after 2014, and will now get you openly scolded by people calling themselves socialists. the public debate has become increasingly americanised as well, which i suspect corresponds with the ubiquity of american social media and the weakening of domestic press institutions. basically i'd guess that we're becoming a border outpost for the US empire and our security establishment seems to be increasingly self-conscious as such
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Feb 9, 2023 15:30
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Feb 9, 2023 15:31
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Gripweed posted:did he really say that In an argument that in 2007/8, the US was planning a war with Iran and alleging that Clinton supported this, he said this about her views and where they come from. quote:AMY GOODMAN: That was Hillary Clinton laughing. Fifteen seconds, Seymour Hersh. Your response?
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Feb 9, 2023 15:31
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lol don't let him into your head
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Feb 9, 2023 15:34
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i should note that diesen has not been the main ideologue for the norwegian military establishment literally since 1991 - he probably assumed that position around 2000 or so? i'm not entirely sure. however, the line of thinking which he represents very quickly became dominant in the post-soviet world during the period of US unipolarity
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Feb 9, 2023 15:34
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Regarde Aduck posted:lol don't let him into your head edit: you're right, never mind
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Feb 9, 2023 15:34
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Feb 9, 2023 15:36
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It just seems that Norway's defensive Cold War position - being overrun would make the GIUK Gap vulnerable, memories of U-Boats in Norway, Russian Strategic Aviation would have a straight shot at the UK and Naval Aviation at US carrier groups and convoys, land forces might threaten outflanking the North German Plain - made sense, but considering Norway a forward base seems more dangerous and less necessary.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:38
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Frosted Flake posted:being overrun would make the GIUK Gap vulnerable... Russian Strategic Aviation would have a straight shot at the UK just flashed back to Fencers and Fulcrums flying out of Orland in a Harpoon scenario and staring off into the middle distance
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Feb 9, 2023 15:41
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the norwegians are scared that if they were ever taken over by russia they would have to learn backwards practices like feeding your guests
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Feb 9, 2023 15:42
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gradenko_2000 posted:just flashed back to Fencers and Fulcrums flying out of Orland in a Harpoon scenario and staring off into the middle distance There's that Larry Bond (?) written CMO module on this as well. I haven't tried it out, but I think it was well reviewed. Anyway, defending Norway made sense, striking from Norway puts them in a very dangerous position, and more importantly to myself, if the plan is still for the Royal Marines, USMC and 2CMBG to sail across the Atlantic/North Sea to rescue them, they're putting everyone in more danger and probably the Norwegian population as well. There was one of those absolute monster TOAW scenarios about this I think TWW Arctic Storm, originally for TOAW III. Anyways, it always seemed like a long shot, I don't know why they would entertain the idea of making things more difficult. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:48 on Feb 9, 2023 |
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Feb 9, 2023 15:44
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mlmp08 posted:In an argument that in 2007/8, the US was planning a war with Iran and alleging that Clinton supported this, he said this about her views and where they come from. there's nothing controversial about that statement. https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/israel-lobby-and-us-foreign-policy The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by Mearsheimer and some other guy came out a year before Hersh said that. the lobbying groups themselves state their objectives extremely clearly
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Feb 9, 2023 15:44
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shoulda been more specific and say zionist money but he's not wrong
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Feb 9, 2023 15:46
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hersh isn't a coward so i dont think he's too terribly worried about being misunderstood in context or about pissants like mlmp purposefully misconstruing what he means, which is extremely clear in context. or if you know the barest amount about him.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:51
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but yeah if you weren't seymour hersh you'd probably want to choose your words a little more carefully
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Feb 9, 2023 15:52
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Truga posted:shoulda been more specific and say zionist money Agreed that being specific about lobbyists would be clearer than just “Jewish money.” Disagreed that Hillary Clinton wouldn’t be a hawk without lobbyist money and influences from American Jews. She’s been hawkish for a long time, and I bet she’d be that way even if she didn’t rep NY.
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Feb 9, 2023 15:53
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mlmp08 posted:Agreed that being specific about lobbyists would be clearer than just “Jewish money.” Disagreed that Hillary Clinton wouldn’t be a hawk without lobbyist money and influences from American Jews. She’s been hawkish for a long time, and I bet she’d be that way even if she didn’t rep NY. why are you substituting "American Jews" for what you drat well know is a specific set of lobbying groups
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Frosted Flake posted:Because of the Economist podcast, I'm not longer allowed to talk about Nordstream at home, so, the thought terminating cliche thing worked. Also, did you know nobody's ever heard of Seymour Hersh, he's a conspiracy theorist and it wasn't published by a real newspaper anyway? please post the best bits so we know what's going to play in the media in a few weeks
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